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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #255 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:12pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 6:45pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 6:42pm:

If you're gay, that seems to be your only choice.

You assume I'm gay because

you think gay and trans are the same

, and don't comprehend compassion

An all-too-common misconception - and one which they
refuse to let go of, despite it being total rubbish.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #256 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:15pm Bobby. wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 7:11pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 7:01pm: LoL what a weirdo spending nearly 12 hours arguing about chicks with dicks. Most homos are left wingers. Patently and demonstrably false. Why do you keep arguing untruths?
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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #257 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:20pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:53am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 9:47am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

WGAF - it's the same old same old. All you do is start the name calling to any view that doesn't agree with how you see it.

HAHAHAHA

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I don't believe anyone has denied the existence of trans people or that they can be born that way.

Yeah they dod

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What gets objected to is the barrow pushing by people like you, your obvious insistence that adults should be giving kids drugs to prevent their puberty -

I am insisting that we trust medical professionals, not preemting their decisions.

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and if as you say being trans is so "natural" why on earth do you think it's OK to be stopping the "natural" process of puberty?

Cancer is natural. Why would we prevent it? It's life threatening. So is being trans a cancer?

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The other issues have evolved around adult trans people who have not had re-assignment surgery who want to play sport against biological females, or use the same toilets.

These are smoke screen BS to spread hate. Trans women play sport now,. They don't always win. It's idiotic to assune anyone with a penis is a rapist, which is what you are claiming. Obviously you DGAF about how biological women feel about it.

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Another issue being the insisted/forced use of preferred language/pronouns.

No language is being forced, this is another fantasy. But why would you be offensive and rude?Might have something to do with you
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That's been put to you time & again & yet all you do is respond with shyte about the "right", bigots, hate etc etc.

Lots of lies are told, I reply to them. You won't reply to the facts I said Facts? you mean your woke dogma?

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Trans may not be a mental health issue as you say but you definitely have a mental health issue.

No, being right wing is a mental health issue.
I'm not right wing

So wait, you are rude to random trans people you meet and it's MY fault?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #258 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:20pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 7:24am:

I knew when I joined a political group that the right would cry endlessly about basic human biology and biological difference. I knew they'd obsess about sex. Certain people here are obsessed with the contents of strangers trousers.

I've been accused of driving this discussion but I've merely responded to tears with facts. I've not started a post on this before. But given that telling the truth calmly gets me banned every few days, here in one place is every undeniable thing we know about trans folks

1 - we know people are born trans. We know how this happens. The biology is well understood. While there are gay creatures throughout the animal kingdom, we can't ask animals if they are trans, but the biology is fundamentally the same so, probably?

2 - We know being trans is not a mental illness. Idiots call gender dysphoria being trans because they worked out gender dysphoria is in DSM5. Gender dysphoria is not being trans. Not all trans people experience it. they are different things

3 - we know some people are sure they are trans, even from an early age. Their experience of how they feel about themselves cannot be denied, they insist it's true

4 - we know you can't talk people into being trans or out of being trans. Now, in a world where trans people are fully accepted and discussed, I do think more kids will toy with the idea for a brief period, because it's not just acceptable, kids flag themselves as gay or trans when what they mean is 'I am not a dumb bigot like the old folks'. This does no harm. No one gets any medication without a lot of therapy to be sure. No one gets surgery before they are 18.

5 - The actual level of people detransitioning right now is under 5%. Most of those, don't decide they are not trans, they decide not to pursue it because of parental harassment. They become trans again later. The rest realise they were gay.

All of this means that nature creates trans people, and we can't change that, or change them. Our only option is if we are kind or not. Why are right wing people so determined to be unkind, to children?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #259 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:21pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:09am:

Transgenders are just a form of Gaysbian - at the end of the day they just want to have sex with the same sex. The rest is just window dressing to fancy it up.

Nothing to it...... just leave 'em to it..... I hold nothing against Gaysbians - and definitely not myself...

Ah - no.

No, they don't.

Well, some might - but by no means all.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #260 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:25pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:46am:

The worlds biggest problem is Trans people ?

Or is this just a diversion from some of the real issues ?

Is this really right up there with Dr Seuss and the green M&M ?

Does anyone here even know a Trans person ?

I mean besides the Blue M&M

Have to agree. A very minor issue and taking up a lot of energy and time for many here. I've encountered one in passing -

wild-eyed and totally out of it with staring eyes etc and still looked like a man with tits

. Clearly some issues there.

The other was

a raging gay with serious chest and back hair, who had tits installed

... while making a fortune as a counsellor for gays with issues etc.... Roll Eyes

The whole thing is vastly overblown, and nobody really GAF.

Both are typical stereotypes often trotted out by the gender-critical.

Neither are actually representative of the vast majority of trans women.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #261 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:25pm

Kat wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:21pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:09am:

Transgenders are just a form of Gaysbian - at the end of the day they just want to have sex with the same sex. The rest is just window dressing to fancy it up.

Nothing to it...... just leave 'em to it..... I hold nothing against Gaysbians - and definitely not myself...

Ah - no.

No, they don't.

Well, some might - but by no means all.

Trans is nothing to do with sex. That's why most trans people don't have surgery

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #262 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:29pm

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:14am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:46am:

The worlds biggest problem is Trans people ?

No, it's just the latest craze from American college campus activists infecting the world - you know the kind of outlandish bs they get all hot about: colonialism, white privilege, patriarchy, capitalism/communism, sex, gender, race, pronouns, sex, more sex, more race, rebel, rebel, rebel, more who-am-I. They are young, full of hormones and bad ideas.

And once more, you post absolute garbage - ranting on about total
irrelevancies and completely bypassing reality whilst doing so..

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #263 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:36pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:57am:

You are posting increasingly irrelevant drivel. Of course you're right wing

You've got to stop this.

People without a gender disorder don't cry all over the place.

People who don't relish the idea of trans people interacting with their kids aren't fascists.

Perhaps not.

But they ARE bigoted, ignorant, and wantonly misinformed.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44494 Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #264 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:42pm FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:57pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:06pm: ] Crap. Just saying "we know" is no evidence of anything. You just assert baseless shite, ratty on uppers. Pick one and prove I am wrong The ones starting with "we know" are baseless assertions.
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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #265 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:42pm Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:42pm: The ones starting with "we know" are baseless assertions. That explains why you're scared to discuss or try to refute them....
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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #266 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:47pm

Kat wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:25pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:46am:

The worlds biggest problem is Trans people ?

Or is this just a diversion from some of the real issues ?

Is this really right up there with Dr Seuss and the green M&M ?

Does anyone here even know a Trans person ?

I mean besides the Blue M&M

Have to agree. A very minor issue and taking up a lot of energy and time for many here. I've encountered one in passing -

wild-eyed and totally out of it with staring eyes etc and still looked like a man with tits

. Clearly some issues there.

The other was

a raging gay with serious chest and back hair, who had tits installed

... while making a fortune as a counsellor for gays with issues etc.... Roll Eyes

The whole thing is vastly overblown, and nobody really GAF.

Both are typical stereotypes often trotted out by the gender-critical.

Neither are actually representative of the vast majority of trans women.

"Trans women" are men. Only men transition to be a "woman". No woman ever does, it would be meaningless. So BY DEFINITION "trans women" are men. Good luck to them - just don't insist that everyone else must accept and think they are real women.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #267 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:49pm

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

"Trans women" are men. Only men transition to be a "woman". No woman ever does, it would be meaningless. So BY DEFINITION "trans women" are men. Good luck to them - just don't insist that everyone else must accept and think they are real women.

Trans women have a gender of female and a sex of male, yes. By definition sex and gender are different and those two things are true.

The questions are 'what's a REAL woman, and why would you go out of your way to be hurtful to people?'

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #268 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:54pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:25pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:21pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:09am:

Transgenders are just a form of Gaysbian - at the end of the day they just want to have sex with the same sex. The rest is just window dressing to fancy it up.

Nothing to it...... just leave 'em to it..... I hold nothing against Gaysbians - and definitely not myself...

Ah - no.

No, they don't.

Well, some might - but by no means all.

Trans is nothing to do with sex. That's why most trans people don't have surgery

"Trans-sexual is nothing to do with sexual."

"Homosexual is nothing to do with sexual".

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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #269 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:01pm Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:54pm: "Trans-sexual is nothing to do with sexual." "Homosexual is nothing to do with sexual". As usual, you are clueless. Homosexuals want sex with the same sex. Transsexuals have a sex that's not their gender. the use of sex in both terms is apt, but for different reasons
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