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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #285 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:38pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

"Trans women" are men. Only men transition to be a "woman". No woman ever does, it would be meaningless. So BY DEFINITION "trans women" are men. Good luck to them - just don't insist that everyone else must accept and think they are real women.

Well, there was Ellen Page (now Elliot Page) over whom Jordan Peterson was suspended from twitter for his comments about her transition surgery.

Jordan is human garbage and going out of his way to use his public voice to harm people. Twitter banned me for not hating trans people, their rules are not one sided

twitter would be a good place for you.
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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #286 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:38pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 7:24am:

I knew when I joined a political group that the right would cry endlessly about basic human biology and biological difference. I knew they'd obsess about sex. Certain people here are obsessed with the contents of strangers trousers.

I've been accused of driving this discussion but I've merely responded to tears with facts. I've not started a post on this before. But given that telling the truth calmly gets me banned every few days, here in one place is every undeniable thing we know about trans folks

1 - we know people are born trans. We know how this happens. The biology is well understood. While there are gay creatures throughout the animal kingdom, we can't ask animals if they are trans, but the biology is fundamentally the same so, probably?

2 - We know being trans is not a mental illness. Idiots call gender dysphoria being trans because they worked out gender dysphoria is in DSM5. Gender dysphoria is not being trans. Not all trans people experience it. they are different things

3 - we know some people are sure they are trans, even from an early age. Their experience of how they feel about themselves cannot be denied, they insist it's true

4 - we know you can't talk people into being trans or out of being trans. Now, in a world where trans people are fully accepted and discussed, I do think more kids will toy with the idea for a brief period, because it's not just acceptable, kids flag themselves as gay or trans when what they mean is 'I am not a dumb bigot like the old folks'. This does no harm. No one gets any medication without a lot of therapy to be sure. No one gets surgery before they are 18.

5 - The actual level of people detransitioning right now is under 5%. Most of those, don't decide they are not trans, they decide not to pursue it because of parental harassment. They become trans again later. The rest realise they were gay.

All of this means that nature creates trans people, and we can't change that, or change them. Our only option is if we are kind or not. Why are right wing people so determined to be unkind, to children?

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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #290 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:39pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:38pm: twitter would be a good place for you. frenetic unfocused toxic energy vibing with frenetic unfocused toxic energy I was permanently banned for having morals and literacy. jordan is still filth
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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #291 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:41pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

"Trans women" are men. Only men transition to be a "woman". No woman ever does, it would be meaningless. So BY DEFINITION "trans women" are men. Good luck to them - just don't insist that everyone else must accept and think they are real women.

Well, there was Ellen Page (now Elliot Page) over whom Jordan Peterson was suspended from twitter for his comments about her transition surgery.

Twitter banned me for not hating trans people, their rules are not one sided

I doubt that.

You would have been banned for they way you've carried on at this site.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #293 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:44pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:39pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:38pm:

twitter would be a good place for you.
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I was permanently banned for having morals and literacy.
jordan is still filth

If you call trying to abuse people into agreeing with you as having morals and gratuitously calling people c~nts, literacy.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #295 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:45pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:44pm:

If you call trying to abuse people into agreeing with you having morals and gratuitously calling people c~nts literacy.

I've never done that, I've merely shamed the right with facts

You did here. You even found a way to spell the word to get around the swear filter.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #296 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:48pm

Gender is a linguistic concept.
There are languages that have a random gender for every noun ( and corresponding adjective) Russian, French ( word ending), German (totally random).
There are languages that are largely gender neutral and have no gender for every noun (English)
And there are languages where there is no gender even for he/she. All those gender and pronoun- mad mentals are really buggered in those languages - their idiotic pronouns do not make sense and cannot even be expressed in such languages.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #297 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:49pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:35pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:35pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:25pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 7:24am:

I knew when I joined a political group that the right would cry endlessly about basic human biology and biological difference. I knew they'd obsess about sex. Certain people here are obsessed with the contents of strangers trousers.

I've been accused of driving this discussion but I've merely responded to tears with facts. I've not started a post on this before. But given that telling the truth calmly gets me banned every few days, here in one place is every undeniable thing we know about trans folks

1 - we know people are born trans. We know how this happens. The biology is well understood. While there are gay creatures throughout the animal kingdom, we can't ask animals if they are trans, but the biology is fundamentally the same so, probably?

2 - We know being trans is not a mental illness. Idiots call gender dysphoria being trans because they worked out gender dysphoria is in DSM5. Gender dysphoria is not being trans. Not all trans people experience it. they are different things

3 - we know some people are sure they are trans, even from an early age. Their experience of how they feel about themselves cannot be denied, they insist it's true

4 - we know you can't talk people into being trans or out of being trans. Now, in a world where trans people are fully accepted and discussed, I do think more kids will toy with the idea for a brief period, because it's not just acceptable, kids flag themselves as gay or trans when what they mean is 'I am not a dumb bigot like the old folks'. This does no harm. No one gets any medication without a lot of therapy to be sure. No one gets surgery before they are 18.

5 - The actual level of people detransitioning right now is under 5%. Most of those, don't decide they are not trans, they decide not to pursue it because of parental harassment. They become trans again later. The rest realise they were gay.

All of this means that nature creates trans people, and we can't change that, or change them. Our only option is if we are kind or not. Why are right wing people so determined to be unkind, to children?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #298 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:49pm

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:34pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 7:24am:

I knew when I joined a political group that the right would cry endlessly about basic human biology and biological difference. I knew they'd obsess about sex. Certain people here are obsessed with the contents of strangers trousers.

I've been accused of driving this discussion but I've merely responded to tears with facts. I've not started a post on this before. But given that telling the truth calmly gets me banned every few days, here in one place is every undeniable thing we know about trans folks

1 - we know people are born trans. We know how this happens. The biology is well understood. While there are gay creatures throughout the animal kingdom, we can't ask animals if they are trans, but the biology is fundamentally the same so, probably?

2 - We know being trans is not a mental illness. Idiots call gender dysphoria being trans because they worked out gender dysphoria is in DSM5. Gender dysphoria is not being trans. Not all trans people experience it. they are different things

3 - we know some people are sure they are trans, even from an early age. Their experience of how they feel about themselves cannot be denied, they insist it's true

4 - we know you can't talk people into being trans or out of being trans. Now, in a world where trans people are fully accepted and discussed, I do think more kids will toy with the idea for a brief period, because it's not just acceptable, kids flag themselves as gay or trans when what they mean is 'I am not a dumb bigot like the old folks'. This does no harm. No one gets any medication without a lot of therapy to be sure. No one gets surgery before they are 18.

5 - The actual level of people detransitioning right now is under 5%. Most of those, don't decide they are not trans, they decide not to pursue it because of parental harassment. They become trans again later. The rest realise they were gay.

All of this means that nature creates trans people, and we can't change that, or change them. Our only option is if we are kind or not. Why are right wing people so determined to be unkind, to children?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #299 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:49pm

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:48pm:

Gender is a linguistic concept.
There are languages that have a random gender for every noun ( and corresponding adjective) Russian, French ( word ending), German (totally random).
There are languages that are largely gender neutral and have no gender for every noun (English)
And there are languages where there is no gender even for he/she. All those gender and pronoun- mad mentals are really buggered in those languages - their idiotic pronouns do not make sense and cannot even be expressed in such languages.

The gendering of words is irrelevant LOL!!

You are confusing two unrelated things

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