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Reply #45 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:10pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 11:38am:

Most beliefs can't be defended by reason, most are matters of faith.

Or they could be based on a maxim, like: acceptance of sexual diversity is always a feature of a society in decline.

Yeah, old people have told that lie my entire life. They thought the 80s were too wild in that regard.

Facts are facts. You can believe wierd poo about accepting gays hurting society, but you can't lie about facts like people are born gay

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Reply #46 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:12pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 11:38am:

Most beliefs can't be defended by reason, most are matters of faith.

Or they could be based on a maxim, like: acceptance of sexual diversity is always a feature of a society in decline.

Yeah, old people have told that lie my entire life. They thought the 80s were too wild in that regard.

Facts are facts. You can believe wierd poo about accepting gays hurting society, but you can't lie about facts like people are born gay

People being born gay doesn't help the argument. People are born psychopathic as well.

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Reply #48 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:21pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:12pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 11:38am:

Most beliefs can't be defended by reason, most are matters of faith.

Or they could be based on a maxim, like: acceptance of sexual diversity is always a feature of a society in decline.

Yeah, old people have told that lie my entire life. They thought the 80s were too wild in that regard.

Facts are facts. You can believe wierd poo about accepting gays hurting society, but you can't lie about facts like people are born gay

People being born gay doesn't help the argument. People are born psychopathic as well.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/birth-defects

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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #49 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:23pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:12pm: People being born gay doesn't help the argument. People are born psychopathic as well. LOL. In fact they are not, that's nonsense
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Reply #50 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:23pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 9:51am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 9:36am:

When did the filthy-right-wing-nazis do that?

Did you not notice? A female member made it her issue, Scomo backed her. \

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/20/coalition-members-back-bill-to-exclude-trans-women-from-female-sports[/url]

So not all sport Future, just some...

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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #51 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:23pm Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:21pm: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/birth-defects I believe you and Im sorry. I'm sure you try to live a normal life. how is this relevant?
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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #52 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:24pm The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:23pm: So not all sport Future, just some... Not true or relevant. We didn't kill all Jews, only some!!!
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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #53 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:27pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:23pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:12pm:

People being born gay doesn't help the argument. People are born psychopathic as well.

LOL. In fact they are not, that's nonsense

Yes they are. Psychopathology is driven by a genetic condition which can be revealed by MRI. The negative social effects of psychopathology require certain conditioning to manifest (i.e. abusive family in early childhood).

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Reply #54 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:31pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:27pm:

Yes they are. Psychopathology is driven by a genetic condition which can be revealed by MRI. The negative social effects of psychopathology require certain conditioning to manifest (i.e. abusive family in early childhood).

Google says: There is no “psychopathy gene,” but research tells us that psychopathy tends to run in families.

Science in general is working out that little is genetic. It's clearly environmental, as you just said.

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Reply #55 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:36pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:31pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:27pm:

Yes they are. Psychopathology is driven by a genetic condition which can be revealed by MRI. The negative social effects of psychopathology require certain conditioning to manifest (i.e. abusive family in early childhood).

Google says: There is no “psychopathy gene,” but research tells us that psychopathy tends to run in families.

Science in general is working out that little is genetic. It's clearly environmental, as you just said.

There may not be a single gene but there is a genetic (and epigenetic) cause to psychopathology.

Keep googling, you'll get there.

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Reply #56 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:39pm

"My responsibility is to protect the integrity of women's sport and we take that very seriously, and if it means that we have to make adjustments to protocols going forward, we will," said Coe, who was present in Budapest for FINA's swimming world championships on Sunday.

"I've always made it clear: if we ever get pushed into a corner to that point where we're making a judgement about fairness or inclusion, I will always fall down on the side of fairness.

"We see an international federation asserting its primacy in setting rules, regulations and policies that are in the best interest of its sport.

"This is as it should be. We have always believed, and repeated constantly, that biology trumps gender and we will continue to review our regulations in line with this."
Sebastian Coe

Fairness trumps inclusion, biology trumps fantasy.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #57 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:42pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:36pm:

There may not be a single gene but there is a genetic (and epigenetic) cause to psychopathology.

Keep googling, you'll get there.

Which specific genes are they? If they haven't found the actual genes and proven it, this is a wild theory based on outdated ideas about genetics

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Reply #58 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:43pm

Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:39pm:

"My responsibility is to protect the integrity of women's sport and we take that very seriously, and if it means that we have to make adjustments to protocols going forward, we will," said Coe, who was present in Budapest for FINA's swimming world championships on Sunday.

"I've always made it clear: if we ever get pushed into a corner to that point where we're making a judgement about fairness or inclusion, I will always fall down on the side of fairness.

"We see an international federation asserting its primacy in setting rules, regulations and policies that are in the best interest of its sport.

"This is as it should be. We have always believed, and repeated constantly, that biology trumps gender and we will continue to review our regulations in line with this."
Sebastian Coe

Fairness trumps inclusion, biology trumps fantasy.

Look, every civil rights movement has setbacks. They are irrelevant. We will inevitably win because everyone under 30 agrees with me and so do a significant number over 30

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #59 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:43pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:23pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 12:21pm:

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/birth-defects

I believe you and Im sorry. I'm sure you try to live a normal life. how is this relevant?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201909/genetics-...

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