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Reply #60 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:45pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:43pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:39pm:
"My responsibility is to protect the integrity of women's sport and we take that very seriously, and if it means that we have to make adjustments to protocols going forward, we will," said Coe, who was present in Budapest for FINA's swimming world championships on Sunday.

"I've always made it clear: if we ever get pushed into a corner to that point where we're making a judgement about fairness or inclusion, I will always fall down on the side of fairness.

"We see an international federation asserting its primacy in setting rules, regulations and policies that are in the best interest of its sport.

"This is as it should be. We have always believed, and repeated constantly, that biology trumps gender and we will continue to review our regulations in line with this."
Sebastian Coe


Fairness trumps inclusion, biology trumps fantasy.



Look, every civil rights movement has setbacks.  They are irrelevant.  We will inevitably win because everyone under 30 agrees with me and so do a significant number over 30

Fairness will always trump inclusion. Always has.

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Reply #61 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:46pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:43pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:23pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:21pm:


I believe you and Im sorry.  I'm sure you try to live a normal life.  how is this relevant?



https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201909/genetics-...


Interesting this website is outdated.  It's accepted schizophrenia is probably the only major mental illness with significant genetic factors.

In all cases, if you can't show me the genes, this is just a theory
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Reply #62 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:07pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:42pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:36pm:
There may not be a single gene but there is a genetic (and epigenetic) cause to psychopathology.

Keep googling, you'll get there.



Which specific genes are they? If they haven't found the actual genes and proven it, this is a wild theory based on outdated ideas about genetics

No. MRI can detect psychopathology without psychopathological behaviour manifesting.

Certain sections in the brain that manifest empathy do not activate in those born psychopathic.

However, generally if the psychopathic child is brought up well (without exposure to violence and abuse), then those genes (and epigenes) remain largely dormant. The psychopathology (such that it is in those people), will only manifest, for example, as never becoming emotional when watching a sad or empathy-arousing movie.
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Reply #63 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:14pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:07pm:
No. MRI can detect psychopathology without psychopathological behaviour manifesting.

Certain sections in the brain that manifest empathy do not activate in those born psychopathic.

However, generally if the psychopathic child is brought up well (without exposure to violence and abuse), then those genes (and epigenes) remain largely dormant. The psychopathology (such that it is in those people), will only manifest, for example, as never becoming emotional when watching a sad or empathy-arousing movie.


Yes, that's how the brain is working, not how it came to be that way.  The brain changes all the time. it's certainly not defined by genetics.

Yes, because abuse creates psychopathy and abusive cycles exist, which is what you're mistaking for genetics.

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Reply #64 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:19pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:14pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:07pm:
No. MRI can detect psychopathology without psychopathological behaviour manifesting.

Certain sections in the brain that manifest empathy do not activate in those born psychopathic.

However, generally if the psychopathic child is brought up well (without exposure to violence and abuse), then those genes (and epigenes) remain largely dormant. The psychopathology (such that it is in those people), will only manifest, for example, as never becoming emotional when watching a sad or empathy-arousing movie.


Yes, that's how the brain is working, not how it came to be that way.  The brain changes all the time. it's certainly not defined by genetics.

Yes, because abuse creates psychopathy and abusive cycles exist, which is what you're mistaking for genetics.


Check out MAO-A (monoamine oxidase A), the so-called 'warrior gene'.

Patterns of behaviour are necessarily partly genetic and epigenetic - there's no getting around that. They're just not the alpha-and-omega of behaviour.
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Reply #65 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:21pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:46pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:43pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:23pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 12:21pm:


I believe you and Im sorry.  I'm sure you try to live a normal life.  how is this relevant?



https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201909/genetics-...


Interesting this website is outdated.  It's accepted schizophrenia is probably the only major mental illness with significant genetic factors.

In all cases, if you can't show me the genes, this is just a theory



Gender is just a theory. You can't show me the gender genes as you can the sex genes.

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Reply #66 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:22pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:21pm:
Gender is just a theory. You can't show me the gender genes as you can the sex genes.



After 5 pages, someone is discussing the topic of the thread.  Not everything is genetic, as I already said. 
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Reply #67 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:22pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:19pm:
Patterns of behaviour are necessarily partly genetic and epigenetic - there's no getting around that. They're just not the alpha-and-omega of behaviour.


If you keep up with the science, most scientists now rightly regard this as nonsense
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Reply #68 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:34pm
 
it still has to be, in a large part,  a 'social contagion".

if it was genetic we would see very small changes in numbers of trans.

yet we see a 1800 % increase in teenage females in the USA wanting to transition to men in the last decade

this is fueled by feelings of inadequacy in teenage girls looking at "babes" on instagram along with a lot of "cheering on for their bravery", these awkward girls when they "come out"

you reward a behaviour, you get more of it.

thats not genetic, thats pavlovian social conditioning
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Reply #69 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:37pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:34pm:
it still has to be, in a large part,  a 'social contagion".

if it was genetic we would see very small changes in numbers of trans.

yet we see a 1800 % increase in teenage females in the USA wanting to transition to men in the last decade

this is fueled by feelings of inadequacy in teenage girls looking at "babes" on instagram along with a lot of "cheering on for their bravery", these awkward girls when they "come out"

you reward a behaviour, you get more of it.

thats not genetic, thats pavlovian social conditioning


It's not genetic.  It's not a 'social contagion' nor is there evidence such things exist.  This is all fantasy for boomers.

Why did kids start telling us they were raped? Because we told them we'd listen.  Why did kids start telling us they were gay? We told them they would listen.

The number of left handed people exploded after it was no longer considered a sin or a sign of devil possession.  We're in the middle of that arc, right now.  In 30 years we might know how many people are trans.
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Reply #70 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:39pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:22pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:19pm:
Patterns of behaviour are necessarily partly genetic and epigenetic - there's no getting around that. They're just not the alpha-and-omega of behaviour.


If you keep up with the science, most scientists now rightly regard this as nonsense

No they don't.

Patterns of behaviour, ability and pathology necessarily have a genetic component. How could they not? We are all predisposed to respond to our environment through our genes and the epigenes that control them.

However, genes and epigenes are not the alpha-and-omega of behaviour, but they predispose us to a pattern of behaviour as they respond to nurture.
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Reply #71 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:41pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:39pm:
No they don't.

Patterns of behaviour, ability and pathology necessarily have a genetic component. How could they not? We are all predisposed to respond to our environment through our genes and the epigenes that control them.

However, genes and epigenes are not the alpha-and-omega of behaviour, but they predispose us to a pattern of behaviour as they respond to nurture.


"necessarily have a genetic component'  Yes, if you believe 1950s genetics theory.  But, no.

So you are locked into an outdated fantasy.  Which is what I said to start with.

Why can't we simply respond badly to abuse?
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Reply #72 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:56pm
 
Alex Jones rant

https://t.me/gchristensen/1603

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All this is a societal wrecking ball to destroy any semblance of normality
any semblance of basic human biology that you see in the bees
and you see in the birds -
imagine if someone in a demon outfit showed up next to a baby giraffe and
said hi I'm a demon -
be inclusive - don't be mean to me -
let me wear demon horns - and come up and look
like a complete alien from another planet -
let a space alien - by the way this is a program -
they dress up like space aliens -
all over the United States and all over the world -
I told you -
in horrible demon psychopath outfits
that they pity....? look beautiful -
and they show up and they have their way with your children
in demon outfits -
I mean if you've got men that look like 400 pound goblin demons
with your children
there's nothing you won't put up with -
there isn't a species on the planet that would let something that looks like
a space alien get up close to its kids but
only in America does it happen and I'm sick of it -
I'm tired of it - right now - I can't handle it anymore - owwww.

He throws a chair.
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Reply #73 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 2:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:56pm:
Alex Jones rant

https://t.me/gchristensen/1603

https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=700,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/...


All this is a societal wrecking ball to destroy any semblance of normality
any semblance of basic human biology that you see in the bees
and you see in the birds -
imagine if someone in a demon outfit showed up next to a baby giraffe and
said hi I'm a demon -
be inclusive - don't be mean to me -
let me wear demon horns - and come up and look
like a complete alien from another planet -
let a space alien - by the way this is a program -
they dress up like space aliens -
all over the United States and all over the world -
I told you -
in horrible demon psychopath outfits
that they pity....? look beautiful -
and they show up and they have their way with your children
in demon outfits -
I mean if you've got men that look like 400 pound goblin demons
with your children
there's nothing you won't put up with -
there isn't a species on the planet that would let something that looks like
a space alien get up close to its kids but
only in America does it happen and I'm sick of it -
I'm tired of it - right now - I can't handle it anymore - owwww.

He throws a chair.


Yes, he's mentally ill. I agree. 

"and they show up and they have their way with your children
in demon outfits -"

And a sex creep

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Reply #74 - Jul 12th, 2022 at 2:01pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:41pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 1:39pm:
No they don't.

Patterns of behaviour, ability and pathology necessarily have a genetic component. How could they not? We are all predisposed to respond to our environment through our genes and the epigenes that control them.

However, genes and epigenes are not the alpha-and-omega of behaviour, but they predispose us to a pattern of behaviour as they respond to nurture.


"necessarily have a genetic component'  Yes, if you believe 1950s genetics theory.  But, no.

So you are locked into an outdated fantasy.  Which is what I said to start with.

Why can't we simply respond badly to abuse?

Deus ex machina?

I guess when you drive a car, you don't expect there to be an engine under the hood or if you do, is every engine the same to you?

Why can't a moped travel at 250km/hr?
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