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Reply #120 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:40am

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:09am:

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:51am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:40am:

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:06am:

Every single invented gender is related to sexuality and nothing else

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Gissan example then, two planks. Go on.

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1. In traditional Samoan culture, boys born into male bodies who identify as female are known as ‘Fa’afafines’. They are fully accepted into the Samoan culture. Fa’afafines’ roles in society move fluidly between the traditional male and female. While they’re assigned male at birth, Samoa also recognises ‘Fa’afatamas’—an equally fluid gender for those assigned female at birth.

“Gender roles, even sexual desire, are shaped to suit society. That means gender identity is often hugely shaped by culture. Being a woman in Samoa is quite different from being a woman in Western society,” explained a woman in a National Geographic video on sexual identity in Samoan culture.

In Samoan culture, gender identity is as simple as it gets—if you say and feel you are neither male or female, or that you fluctuate between both genders, this will simply be accepted by society. This is a social norm that the rest of the world could really learn from.

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2. Bugis in Indonesia
This ethnic group has seen gender as a spectrum for centuries now, with three additional genders in addition to male and female. Bugis genders include ‘calabai’ (feminine men), ‘calalai’ (masculine women) and intersex ‘bissu’ priests.

So ALL related to sexual orientation and nothing else - feminine males, not so feminine females. All about sexual dysphoria, nothing else.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75191 Gender:	Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy Reply #121 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:45am Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:40am: So ALL related to sexual orientation and nothing else and you got that from ?????????
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Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy
Reply #122 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:48am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:11am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:10am:

Invented Genders sounds good...

Gender is a complex topic, more complex than sex. People are inventing genders to explain how they experience gender. This is an intermediate stage, in time we will simply accept everyones right to be who they are without needing labels

Er.... they are self-labelling and inventing ever more bizarre sexual 'orientations' and pronouns for themselves.

And get miffed and ratty if we just call them he or she according to the facts before us.

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Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy
Reply #123 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:55am

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:48am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:11am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:10am:

Invented Genders sounds good...

Gender is a complex topic, more complex than sex. People are inventing genders to explain how they experience gender. This is an intermediate stage, in time we will simply accept everyones right to be who they are without needing labels

Er.... they are self-labelling and inventing ever more bizarre sexual 'orientations' and pronouns for themselves.

And get miffed and ratty if we just call them he or she according to the facts before us.

The question remains, how is 'he' or 'she' a word with a sacred meaning you have to uphold, over being kind to someone? Why is this so important to you?

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 48077 Gender:	Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy Reply #124 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:23am John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:45am: Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:40am: So ALL related to sexual orientation and nothing else and you got that from ????????? From your post, planks. Did you read it? Did you comprehend it?
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Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy
Reply #125 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:27am

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:23am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:45am:

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:40am:

So ALL related to sexual orientation and nothing else

and you got that from ????????? Roll Eyes

From your post, planks. Did you read it? Did you comprehend it?

i didn't see anything on sexual orientation ... can you highlight those bits?

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Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy
Reply #126 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:30am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:55am:

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:48am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:11am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:10am:

Invented Genders sounds good...

Gender is a complex topic, more complex than sex. People are inventing genders to explain how they experience gender. This is an intermediate stage, in time we will simply accept everyones right to be who they are without needing labels

Er.... they are self-labelling and inventing ever more bizarre sexual 'orientations' and pronouns for themselves.

And get miffed and ratty if we just call them he or she according to the facts before us.

The question remains, how is 'he' or 'she' a word with a sacred meaning you have to uphold, over being kind to someone? Why is this so important to you?

It's not sacred. You are either a he or a she. There is no ze or zong of pftrh or whatever.

As to kindness- it is not a mere matter of 'kindness' to indulge a bloke like 'Lea' Thomas and call him a woman. He is not a woman. He is a bloke. If anything, it is supremely unkind and unfair to all women to treat him as one.

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Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy
Reply #127 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:36am

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:30am:

It's not sacred. You are either a he or a she. There is no ze or zong of pftrh or whatever.

As to kindness- it is not a mere matter of 'kindness' to indulge a bloke like 'Lea' Thomas and call him a woman. He is not a woman. He is a bloke. If anything, it is supremely unkind and unfair to all women to treat him as one.

Why is it unkind to women? Are you just mental?

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Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy
Reply #128 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:48am

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:27am:

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:23am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:45am:

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:40am:

So ALL related to sexual orientation and nothing else

and you got that from ????????? Roll Eyes

From your post, planks. Did you read it? Did you comprehend it?

i didn't see anything on sexual orientation ... can you highlight those bits?

you didn't see anything on sexual orientation, plankers?? What IS it about, then? Blood type? How curly your hair is?

When translated literally, they mean “in the manner of women” (fa’a fafine) and “in the manner of man” (fa’a fatama); but, but but, being a man or a woman has nuffin' to do with sexual orientation and behaviour and roles. Oh no. In the manner of women or men has nuffin' to do wiv women and men - which in turn has nuffin' to do with sex and reproduction in a mammalian species like humanity. Oh no. It's about somefin' completely unrelated.
It's socially constructed!!! Oh yes.

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Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy
Reply #129 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:59am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:36am:

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:30am:

It's not sacred. You are either a he or a she. There is no ze or zong of pftrh or whatever.

As to kindness- it is not a mere matter of 'kindness' to indulge a bloke like 'Lea' Thomas and call him a woman. He is not a woman. He is a bloke. If anything, it is supremely unkind and unfair to all women to treat him as one.

Why is it unkind to women? Are you just mental?

The same way as calling you sane is unkind to the sane. You expend endless gallons of spittle and venom on how hateful real women are who do not accept a bloke as being a woman just like real woman. You call real women exclusionary and haters because they can see that a bloke is a bloke and dare to say it in the face of your kind of relentless, deranged agitation, name calling and vicious denunciations. And you you, redface, spittle-flecked bulging eyed rage monkeys have the temerity to call real women 'unkind' for not seeing a bloke as a woman.

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Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy
Reply #130 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 12:05pm

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:59am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:36am:

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 11:30am:

It's not sacred. You are either a he or a she. There is no ze or zong of pftrh or whatever.

As to kindness- it is not a mere matter of 'kindness' to indulge a bloke like 'Lea' Thomas and call him a woman. He is not a woman. He is a bloke. If anything, it is supremely unkind and unfair to all women to treat him as one.

Why is it unkind to women? Are you just mental?

The same way as calling you sane is unkind to the sane. You expend endless gallons of spittle and venom on how hateful real women are who do not accept a bloke as being a woman just like real woman. You call real women exclusionary and haters because they can see that a bloke is a bloke and dare to say it in the face of your kind of relentless, deranged agitation, name calling and vicious denunciations. And you you, redface, spittle-flecked bulging eyed rage monkeys have the temerity to call real women 'unkind' for not seeing a bloke as a woman.

Most women think you are scum. Terfs, like Nazis, are in a minority.

you think I am spittle flecked but here you are, pouring hate on people you don't know for how they experience gender. Confused much?

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 48077 Gender:	Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy Reply #131 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 12:13pm I don't care how they experience their sexuality - just don't insist that I or anyone else experience it THEIR way.
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Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy
Reply #132 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 12:14pm

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

I don't care how they experience their sexuality - just don't insist that I or anyone else experience it THEIR way.

It's not their sexuality you daft twat. It's their gender. The question is, why would you even talk to people you hate, except to pour hate onto them? Why can't you just not be a prick?

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Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy
Reply #133 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 12:24pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 12:14pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

I don't care how they experience their sexuality - just don't insist that I or anyone else experience it THEIR way.

It's not their sexuality you daft twat. It's their gender. The question is, why would you even talk to people you hate, except to pour hate onto them? Why can't you just not be a prick?

There is no gender outside grammar. Even in grammar it references male and female, ie sex categories. What you call gender is sexual disorientation. It's a mental disorder.

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Re: People with the capacity for pregnancy
Reply #134 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 12:27pm

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 12:24pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 12:14pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

I don't care how they experience their sexuality - just don't insist that I or anyone else experience it THEIR way.

It's not their sexuality you daft twat. It's their gender. The question is, why would you even talk to people you hate, except to pour hate onto them? Why can't you just not be a prick?

There is no gender outside grammar. Even in grammar it references male and female, ie sex categories. What you call gender is sexual disorientation. It's a mental disorder.

So gender does not exist? Being female is a sexual orientation? You are not male, you merely have a dick and are genderless?

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