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Reply #195 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:25am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:12am:
Yes. Imagining animal behaviour is directly applicable to human behaviour, always descends into absurdities.

'Gay' is a human-only concept.

If a dog humps your brother's leg, is it gay?

If a dog humps your sister's leg, is it straight?

If a dog humps any leg, is it bi?

If a dog humps the couch, is it fetishistic?


You are just a simpleton.  You are moving the goal posts, like idiots claiming that girls who play with trucks are being told they are trans

The fact is, all sex comes from the urge to have it.  Animals have the urge for same sex, sex.  We evolved from these creatures, our brains come from the same place as theirs.  So if animals have, in their brains, a desire for same sex sex, it indicates it's a natural thing, not something we invented to make Jesus sad.  Now, of course, humans are not animals, we don't do everything animals do. But my point is still valid, and I tried to examine the issue from other angles at least 6 times but you stick to crying because you don't understand the point about animals, and fear debate or any sort of education
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Reply #196 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:26am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:20am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:17am:
a dog humping anyone's leg doesn't make it gay.  Roll Eyes

Exactly. The concept of 'gay' is inapplicable to animal behaviour.

Human morality cannot be applied to animal behaviour.


Morality is societies rules around what behaviours are acceptable.  Behaviours no one wants to do, don't need morality, just no one does them.  Gay has nothing to do with morality, people are gay in societies that accept it, and in societies that kill gay people.
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Reply #197 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:30am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:20am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:17am:
a dog humping anyone's leg doesn't make it gay.  Roll Eyes

Exactly. The concept of 'gay' is inapplicable to animal behaviour.

Human morality cannot be applied to animal behaviour.



Being 'gay' has nothing to do with morality. And of course it can apply to animals. You just want to pretend it doesn't because you don't want to acknowledge that being gay exists throughout the animal kingdom, of which we are a part off.
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Reply #198 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:40am
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:30am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:20am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:17am:
a dog humping anyone's leg doesn't make it gay.  Roll Eyes

Exactly. The concept of 'gay' is inapplicable to animal behaviour.

Human morality cannot be applied to animal behaviour.



Being 'gay' has nothing to do with morality. And of course it can apply to animals. You just want to pretend it doesn't because you don't want to acknowledge that being gay exists throughout the animal kingdom, of which we are a part off.

Yes, it does. That's why humans apply laws to either proscribe against it or proscribe against vilification of it.

It is fashionable now to push out 'documentaries' that suit a human socio-political agenda by showing animal 'gay' sex; the implication being 'See, animals do it, so it must be normative and requires no moral imperative either for or against'.

There is no science that could demonstrate that animals make a conscious choice to choose a same-sex partner, just anecdotal and highly spurious human interpretations of what is occurring between animals, through the human lens of a socio-political agenda.

Any attempt to demonstrate animal behaviour is directly applicable to human behaviour will always descend into absurdities.

If an animal kills another of its own kind, is it a murderer?
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Reply #199 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:42am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:40am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:30am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:20am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:17am:
a dog humping anyone's leg doesn't make it gay.  Roll Eyes

Exactly. The concept of 'gay' is inapplicable to animal behaviour.

Human morality cannot be applied to animal behaviour.



Being 'gay' has nothing to do with morality. And of course it can apply to animals. You just want to pretend it doesn't because you don't want to acknowledge that being gay exists throughout the animal kingdom, of which we are a part off.

Yes, it does. That's why humans apply laws to either proscribe against it or proscribe against vilification of it.

It is fashionable now to push out 'documentaries' that suit a human socio-political agenda by showing animal 'gay' sex; the implication being 'See, animals do it, so it must be normative and requires not moral imperative either for or against'.

There is no science that could demonstrate that animals make a conscious choice to choose a same-sex partner, just anecdotal and highly spurious human interpretations of what is occurring between animals, through the human lens of a socio-political agenda.

Any attempt to demonstrate animal behaviour is directly applicable to human behaviour will always descend into absurdities.

If an animal kills another of its own kind, is it a murderer?



Well, no, society doesn't hate gays.  We talk about the facts of animal behaviour precisely because most people don't care.

You are trying to move the goal posts, ignoring every other thread here to discuss your obsession with gay sex.

Being gay has nothing to do with morality . People are born gay, regardless of the moral code of the society they live in.  You can't answer me so you rant uncontrollably and irrationally
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Reply #200 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:51am
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:42am:
Being gay has nothing to do with morality . People are born gay, regardless of the moral code of the society they live in.  You can't answer me so you rant uncontrollably and irrationally

It has everything to do with morality. That's why humans apply laws to either proscribe against it or proscribe against vilification of it.

Morality is activated in humans via the instinctive disgust mechanism - the insula. No animal is so wired.

The disgust recoil is a manifestation of the pathogen response. In humans, the pathogen response and the moral response use the same mechanism.
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Reply #201 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:54am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:51am:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:42am:
Being gay has nothing to do with morality . People are born gay, regardless of the moral code of the society they live in.  You can't answer me so you rant uncontrollably and irrationally

It has everything to do with morality. That's why humans apply laws to either proscribe against it or proscribe against vilification of it.

Morality is activated in humans via the instinctive disgust mechanism - the insula. No animal is so wired.

The disgust recoil is a manifestation of the pathogen response. In humans, the pathogen response and the moral response use the same mechanism.


Then why were people gay when the 'morality' of the day was to kill them? Morality is different to the disgust reflex around, say, faeces, because one is universal and one is fluid.  Stop making points you can't discuss and admit you're obsessed with bottoms
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Reply #202 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:57am
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:54am:
Morality is different to the disgust reflex around, say, faeces, because one is universal and one is fluid. 

The morality response and the disgust response are manifestations of the same brain-region activation - from the insula.
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Reply #203 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:58am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:40am:
Yes, it does. That's why humans apply laws to either proscribe against it or proscribe against vilification of it.

Once sexuality is not immoral. It was once thought to be yes, but we've come to realise that that thinking was wrong and hence the laws  have changed throughout most of the western world.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:40am:
It is fashionable now to push out 'documentaries' that suit a human socio-political agenda by showing animal 'gay' sex; the implication being 'See, animals do it, so it must be normative and requires not moral imperative either for or against'.



WTF? You need to clear your google search history, I don't recall ever seeing any documentary on gay animal sex. I don't know where you get this crap.?

That animals have gay sex is a given. It's fact. It's not an agenda any more than claiming the process of photosynthesis in plants is an agenda.  All animals have gay sex. Contrary to what you might think, we are part of that animal kingdom therefore it is perfectly logical to accept that gay sex is normal.

You have the right to be offended with that if you want to be but you have no right to impose your views onto others. No one is making you have gay sex.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:40am:
There is no science that could demonstrate that animals make a conscious choice to choose a same-sex partner, just anecdotal and highly spurious human interpretations of what is occurring between animals, through the human lens of a socio-political agenda.


only if you ignore the obvious ....that they do choose same sex partners often. Whether that is conscious or just instinctive is irrelevant. Most people don't make a conscience effort to be gay. They just are.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:40am:
Any attempt to demonstrate animal behaviour is directly applicable to human behaviour will always descend into absurdities.

so you keep saying but it's just as much crap this time as it was the first time you said it


MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:40am:
If an animal kills another of its own kind, is it a murderer?


yes.

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Reply #204 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:59am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:57am:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:54am:
Morality is different to the disgust reflex around, say, faeces, because one is universal and one is fluid. 

The morality response and the disgust response are manifestations of the same brain-region activation - from the insula.


Not relevant.  They are not the same thing, as I proved.  Your 'disgust' over the gay sex you can't stop thinking about is not universal.
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Reply #205 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:03am
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:58am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:40am:
Yes, it does. That's why humans apply laws to either proscribe against it or proscribe against vilification of it.

Once sexuality is not immoral. It was once thought to be yes, but we've come to realise that that thinking was wrong and hence the laws  have changed throughout most of the western world.

Sexual permissiveness in human societies is wild and varied and often peaks and troughs in degrees of acceptance.

However, acceptance of non-normative sexual activity has always been a feature of complex society in decline.
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Reply #206 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:06am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:03am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:58am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:40am:
Yes, it does. That's why humans apply laws to either proscribe against it or proscribe against vilification of it.

Once sexuality is not immoral. It was once thought to be yes, but we've come to realise that that thinking was wrong and hence the laws  have changed throughout most of the western world.

Sexual permissiveness in human societies is wild and varied and often peaks and troughs in degrees of acceptance.

However, acceptance of non-normative sexual activity has always been a feature of complex society in decline.


This is an urban myth, told only by idiots.  The decline of Rome had nothing to do with gay sex, which I don't think was ever frowned upon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome
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Reply #207 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:06am
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:59am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:57am:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:54am:
Morality is different to the disgust reflex around, say, faeces, because one is universal and one is fluid. 

The morality response and the disgust response are manifestations of the same brain-region activation - from the insula.


Not relevant.  They are not the same thing, as I proved.  Your 'disgust' over the gay sex you can't stop thinking about is not universal.

You proved nothing. Research studies in the moral recoil and pathogen recoil. There is no measurable difference.

It's not surprising that we use the same expressions to express moral and pathogenic recoil.

It's why immoral behaviour in one's estimation is expressed by 'It makes me sick to my stomach' or 'the behaviour is slickening'.
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Reply #208 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:07am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:06am:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:59am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:57am:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:54am:
Morality is different to the disgust reflex around, say, faeces, because one is universal and one is fluid. 

The morality response and the disgust response are manifestations of the same brain-region activation - from the insula.


Not relevant.  They are not the same thing, as I proved.  Your 'disgust' over the gay sex you can't stop thinking about is not universal.

You proved nothing. Research studies in the moral recoil and pathogen recoil. There is no measurable difference.

It's not surprising that we use the same expressions to express moral and pathogenic recoil.

It's why immoral behaviour in one's estimation is expressed by 'It makes me sick to my stomach' or 'the behaviour is slickening'.


You can't answer facts, can you? That they have their root in the same place doesn't mean they have the same origin.  Revulsion of faeces is ingrained.  clearly revulsion of gay sex is not, because gays are having it and normal people don't care
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Reply #209 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:08am
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:06am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:03am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:58am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:40am:
Yes, it does. That's why humans apply laws to either proscribe against it or proscribe against vilification of it.

Once sexuality is not immoral. It was once thought to be yes, but we've come to realise that that thinking was wrong and hence the laws  have changed throughout most of the western world.

Sexual permissiveness in human societies is wild and varied and often peaks and troughs in degrees of acceptance.

However, acceptance of non-normative sexual activity has always been a feature of complex society in decline.


This is an urban myth, told only by idiots.  The decline of Rome had nothing to do with gay sex, which I don't think was ever frowned upon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

Homosexuality in Rome and Greece was at its height of practise and acceptance when both societies were in decline.
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