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Reply #210 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:10am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:07am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:06am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:59am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:57am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:54am:

Morality is different to the disgust reflex around, say, faeces, because one is universal and one is fluid.

The morality response and the disgust response are manifestations of the same brain-region activation - from the insula.

Not relevant. They are not the same thing, as I proved. Your 'disgust' over the gay sex you can't stop thinking about is not universal.

You proved nothing. Research studies in the moral recoil and pathogen recoil. There is no measurable difference.

It's not surprising that we use the same expressions to express moral and pathogenic recoil.

It's why immoral behaviour in one's estimation is expressed by 'It makes me sick to my stomach' or 'the behaviour is slickening'.

You can't answer facts, can you? That they have their root in the same place doesn't mean they have the same origin. Revulsion of faeces is ingrained. clearly revulsion of gay sex is not, because gays are having it and normal people don't care

The facts are when you are morally or triggered by pathogens, it is the same mechanism that has been subconsciously activated.

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Reply #211 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:10am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:08am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:06am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:40am:

Yes, it does. That's why humans apply laws to either proscribe against it or proscribe against vilification of it.

Once sexuality is not immoral. It was once thought to be yes, but we've come to realise that that thinking was wrong and hence the laws have changed throughout most of the western world.

Sexual permissiveness in human societies is wild and varied and often peaks and troughs in degrees of acceptance.

However, acceptance of non-normative sexual activity has always been a feature of complex society in decline.

This is an urban myth, told only by idiots. The decline of Rome had nothing to do with gay sex, which I don't think was ever frowned upon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

Homosexuality in Rome and Greece was at its height of practise and acceptance when both societies were in decline.

What's the height of practice? They went all the way in? This is nonsense, it's an urban myth that's been used to predict the end of the West ever since we stopped killing gay people

So you find gay sex revolting in a visceral way, but you can't stop talking about it, that's your claim?

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Reply #212 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:11am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:40am:

Yes, it does. That's why humans apply laws to either proscribe against it or proscribe against vilification of it.

Ones sexuality is not immoral. It was once thought to be yes, but we've come to realise that that thinking was wrong and hence the laws have changed throughout most of the western world.

Sexual permissiveness in human societies is wild and varied and often peaks and troughs in degrees of acceptance.

However, acceptance of non-normative sexual activity has always been a feature of complex society in decline.

so what was once considered immoral no longer is. ... then why are you still claiming it is immoral?

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Reply #213 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:13am

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:58am:

WTF? You need to clear your google search history, I don't recall ever seeing any documentary on gay animal sex. I don't know where you get this crap.?

That animals have gay sex is a given. It's fact. It's not an agenda any more than claiming the process of photosynthesis in plants is an agenda. All animals have gay sex. Contrary to what you might think, we are part of that animal kingdom therefore it is perfectly logical to accept that gay sex is normal.

Keep searching, you'll find those 'documentaries'.

'Gay' is a human concept. Whatever motivates animals are doing can more easily be intuited as an expression of alpha dominance or a pheremonal reaction.

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Reply #214 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:14am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:13am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:58am:

WTF? You need to clear your google search history, I don't recall ever seeing any documentary on gay animal sex. I don't know where you get this crap.?

That animals have gay sex is a given. It's fact. It's not an agenda any more than claiming the process of photosynthesis in plants is an agenda. All animals have gay sex. Contrary to what you might think, we are part of that animal kingdom therefore it is perfectly logical to accept that gay sex is normal.

Keep searching, you'll find those 'documentaries'.

'Gay' is a human concept. Whatever motivates animals are doing can more easily be intuited as an expression of alpha dominance or a pheremonal reaction.

Or just wanting a root? LOL!! It doesn't matter. The Greeks had the same idea, the 'top' was masculine, in fact, you'd ass rape a man you beat in battle. These are all human concepts but they start with the idea that a man's bottom is a good time. Which is what we call 'gay'.

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Reply #215 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:15am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:10am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:08am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:06am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:40am:

Yes, it does. That's why humans apply laws to either proscribe against it or proscribe against vilification of it.

Once sexuality is not immoral. It was once thought to be yes, but we've come to realise that that thinking was wrong and hence the laws have changed throughout most of the western world.

Sexual permissiveness in human societies is wild and varied and often peaks and troughs in degrees of acceptance.

However, acceptance of non-normative sexual activity has always been a feature of complex society in decline.

This is an urban myth, told only by idiots. The decline of Rome had nothing to do with gay sex, which I don't think was ever frowned upon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

Homosexuality in Rome and Greece was at its height of practise and acceptance when both societies were in decline.

What's the height of practice? They went all the way in? This is nonsense, it's an urban myth that's been used to predict the end of the West ever since we stopped killing gay people

Do some research. Not hard to find studies on the correlation between sexual permissiveness and complex society in decline.

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Reply #216 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:16am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:08am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:06am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:40am:

Yes, it does. That's why humans apply laws to either proscribe against it or proscribe against vilification of it.

Once sexuality is not immoral. It was once thought to be yes, but we've come to realise that that thinking was wrong and hence the laws have changed throughout most of the western world.

Sexual permissiveness in human societies is wild and varied and often peaks and troughs in degrees of acceptance.

However, acceptance of non-normative sexual activity has always been a feature of complex society in decline.

This is an urban myth, told only by idiots. The decline of Rome had nothing to do with gay sex, which I don't think was ever frowned upon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

Homosexuality in Rome and Greece was at its height of practise and acceptance when both societies were in decline.

ohh, so now we ignore that it was accepted and concentrate on when it was at it's height? Roll Eyes

Perhaps the societies were in decline because rather than it's populace getting out there and doing, they preferred to spend their time talking and writing about what was happening, so it appears to you 2000 years later that it it was at it's height?

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Reply #217 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:18am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:14am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:13am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:58am:

WTF? You need to clear your google search history, I don't recall ever seeing any documentary on gay animal sex. I don't know where you get this crap.?

That animals have gay sex is a given. It's fact. It's not an agenda any more than claiming the process of photosynthesis in plants is an agenda. All animals have gay sex. Contrary to what you might think, we are part of that animal kingdom therefore it is perfectly logical to accept that gay sex is normal.

Keep searching, you'll find those 'documentaries'.

'Gay' is a human concept. Whatever motivates animals are doing can more easily be intuited as an expression of alpha dominance or a pheremonal reaction.

Or just wanting a root? LOL!! It doesn't matter. The Greeks had the same idea, the 'top' was masculine, in fact, you'd ass rape a man you beat in battle. These are all human concepts but they start with the idea that a man's bottom is a good time. Which is what we call 'gay'.

By Greek, do you mean Athenian or Spartan?

Both Hellenic societies began to decline as sexual permissiveness increased.

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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: Poo jabbing Reply #218 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:19am MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:18am: By Greek, do you mean Athenian or Spartan? Both Hellenic societies began to decline as sexual permissiveness increased. I am afraid that you saying this can't negate my reading on the topic
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Reply #219 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:20am

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:16am:

ohh, so now we ignore that it was accepted and concentrate on when it was at it's height? Roll Eyes

Perhaps the societies were in decline because rather than it's populace getting out there and doing, they preferred to spend their time talking and writing about what was happening, so it appears to you 2000 years later that it it was at it's height?

Or became hyper-sexualised and interested in sexual gratification that did not result in pregnancy.

Or, in Sparta's case, to develop hyper-masculinity aiding the bonding of warriors to a life of warfare.

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Reply #220 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:21am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:13am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:58am:

WTF? You need to clear your google search history, I don't recall ever seeing any documentary on gay animal sex. I don't know where you get this crap.?

That animals have gay sex is a given. It's fact. It's not an agenda any more than claiming the process of photosynthesis in plants is an agenda. All animals have gay sex. Contrary to what you might think, we are part of that animal kingdom therefore it is perfectly logical to accept that gay sex is normal.

Keep searching, you'll find those 'documentaries'.

'Gay' is a human concept. Whatever motivates animals are doing can more easily be intuited as an expression of alpha dominance or a pheremonal reaction.

I'm sure you'll find documentaries on any subject if yo want to search for it .. that hardly makes them all 'fashionable'. What motivates animals is irrelevant. The act is the same ...ie, intercourse with the same sex. The term is human, the act is not. Pretending it doesn't happen in animals because they don't speak or understand English is ridiculous.

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Reply #221 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:25am

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:13am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:58am:

WTF? You need to clear your google search history, I don't recall ever seeing any documentary on gay animal sex. I don't know where you get this crap.?

That animals have gay sex is a given. It's fact. It's not an agenda any more than claiming the process of photosynthesis in plants is an agenda. All animals have gay sex. Contrary to what you might think, we are part of that animal kingdom therefore it is perfectly logical to accept that gay sex is normal.

Keep searching, you'll find those 'documentaries'.

'Gay' is a human concept. Whatever motivates animals are doing can more easily be intuited as an expression of alpha dominance or a pheremonal reaction.

What motivates animals is irrelevant. The act is the same ...ie, intercourse with the same sex. The term is human, the act is not. Pretending it doesn't happen in animals because they don't speak or understand English is ridiculous.

I didn't say it didn't happen. It's just not gay sex. It is more likely a display of alpha dominance.

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Reply #222 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:27am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:20am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:16am:

ohh, so now we ignore that it was accepted and concentrate on when it was at it's height? Roll Eyes

Perhaps the societies were in decline because rather than it's populace getting out there and doing, they preferred to spend their time talking and writing about what was happening, so it appears to you 2000 years later that it it was at it's height?

Or became hyper-sexualised and interested in sexual gratification that did not result in pregnancy.

Or, in Sparta's case, to develop hyper-masculinity aiding the bonding of warriors to a life of warfare.

and you think if the spartas didn't engage in gay sex they'd still be around? Grin

Trying to tie the demise off any civilisation to whether or not it's citizens performed gay sex is ridiculous. T

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Reply #223 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:29am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:25am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:13am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 9:58am:

WTF? You need to clear your google search history, I don't recall ever seeing any documentary on gay animal sex. I don't know where you get this crap.?

That animals have gay sex is a given. It's fact. It's not an agenda any more than claiming the process of photosynthesis in plants is an agenda. All animals have gay sex. Contrary to what you might think, we are part of that animal kingdom therefore it is perfectly logical to accept that gay sex is normal.

Keep searching, you'll find those 'documentaries'.

'Gay' is a human concept. Whatever motivates animals are doing can more easily be intuited as an expression of alpha dominance or a pheremonal reaction.

What motivates animals is irrelevant. The act is the same ...ie, intercourse with the same sex. The term is human, the act is not. Pretending it doesn't happen in animals because they don't speak or understand English is ridiculous.

I didn't say it didn't happen. It's just not gay sex. It is more likely a display of alpha dominance.

of course it's gay sex. And in some animals it very well might be a display of dominance, just as it is with some men. But that doesn't make it any less gay sex.

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Reply #224 - Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:31am

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:20am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 10:16am:

ohh, so now we ignore that it was accepted and concentrate on when it was at it's height? Roll Eyes

Perhaps the societies were in decline because rather than it's populace getting out there and doing, they preferred to spend their time talking and writing about what was happening, so it appears to you 2000 years later that it it was at it's height?

Or became hyper-sexualised and interested in sexual gratification that did not result in pregnancy.

Or, in Sparta's case, to develop hyper-masculinity aiding the bonding of warriors to a life of warfare.

and you think if the spartas didn't engage in gay sex they'd still be around? Grin

Trying to tie the demise off any civilisation to whether or not it's citizens performed gay sex is ridiculous. T

Research it.

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