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Reply #60 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:47am
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:46am:
Boris wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:44am:
Writing in Quadrant last November, Bubbles Segall, a worker for 36 years in Northern Territory community health, instanced these cases of violence:

“A woman is repeatedly evacuated from a remote community health centre to hospital with multiple fractures to the bones in her hands and burns to her vagina. On each of these occasions, her husband, in fits of jealous rage, has put burning sticks into her vagina and broken the bones in her fingers…

“A nurse is called out at midnight to attend to a woman who has been brutally bashed by her husband. She is six months pregnant with her first child. In a jealous, drunken rage, her husband accused her of talking to another man earlier in the evening. She is bleeding profusely from a head wound caused by a partial avulsion of her scalp. She has also sustained a partial tear to an earlobe. She is bleeding copiously from her vagina. Her husband has kicked her repeatedly in the abdomen. Her wounds are treated, she sustains a miscarriage and is evacuated by air ambulance to the nearest hospital that night.”

Segall finishes:

“These situations are not unique or far and few. They are everyday occurrences in many communities, and there are thousands of similar examples which to health workers gradually become overwhelming and disheartening.”

These instances could be called anecdotal. For those preferring data, see the NT crime statistics for 2007-12, released late last year  by the new CLP government.

www.nt.gov.au/justice/…/nt_annual_crime_statistics_2012.doc


I guess the interesting thing is, you don't offer solutions.  You seek out crime by aborginals to spread the lie that they are all criminals, to feed your racism



I worked with them - for the Health Department - I helped them - I have PTSD from it

Solicitor/historian Joan Kimm wrote in 2004: “The intensity of this violence needs to be understood by non-Indigenous Australians. When working as a solicitor with non-Indigenous clients, I encountered infanticide, homicide, suicide, betrayals, violence, incest and other child abuse. These were tragic cases but in none was the violence equivalent to the horrific circumstances of Aboriginal violence…Aboriginal women are disadvantaged in that Aboriginal culture has become an inviolate space in our society where abuse of women often occurs with impunity because of distorted views of the respect which must be paid to Indigenous rights.”
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Reply #61 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:56am
 
Boris wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:47am:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:46am:
Boris wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:44am:
Writing in Quadrant last November, Bubbles Segall, a worker for 36 years in Northern Territory community health, instanced these cases of violence:

“A woman is repeatedly evacuated from a remote community health centre to hospital with multiple fractures to the bones in her hands and burns to her vagina. On each of these occasions, her husband, in fits of jealous rage, has put burning sticks into her vagina and broken the bones in her fingers…

“A nurse is called out at midnight to attend to a woman who has been brutally bashed by her husband. She is six months pregnant with her first child. In a jealous, drunken rage, her husband accused her of talking to another man earlier in the evening. She is bleeding profusely from a head wound caused by a partial avulsion of her scalp. She has also sustained a partial tear to an earlobe. She is bleeding copiously from her vagina. Her husband has kicked her repeatedly in the abdomen. Her wounds are treated, she sustains a miscarriage and is evacuated by air ambulance to the nearest hospital that night.”

Segall finishes:

“These situations are not unique or far and few. They are everyday occurrences in many communities, and there are thousands of similar examples which to health workers gradually become overwhelming and disheartening.”

These instances could be called anecdotal. For those preferring data, see the NT crime statistics for 2007-12, released late last year  by the new CLP government.

www.nt.gov.au/justice/…/nt_annual_crime_statistics_2012.doc


I guess the interesting thing is, you don't offer solutions.  You seek out crime by aborginals to spread the lie that they are all criminals, to feed your racism



I worked with them - for the Health Department - I helped them - I have PTSD from it

Solicitor/historian Joan Kimm wrote in 2004: “The intensity of this violence needs to be understood by non-Indigenous Australians. When working as a solicitor with non-Indigenous clients, I encountered infanticide, homicide, suicide, betrayals, violence, incest and other child abuse. These were tragic cases but in none was the violence equivalent to the horrific circumstances of Aboriginal violence…Aboriginal women are disadvantaged in that Aboriginal culture has become an inviolate space in our society where abuse of women often occurs with impunity because of distorted views of the respect which must be paid to Indigenous rights.”


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Reply #62 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:20am
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:56am:
Boris wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:47am:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:46am:
Boris wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:44am:
Writing in Quadrant last November, Bubbles Segall, a worker for 36 years in Northern Territory community health, instanced these cases of violence:

“A woman is repeatedly evacuated from a remote community health centre to hospital with multiple fractures to the bones in her hands and burns to her vagina. On each of these occasions, her husband, in fits of jealous rage, has put burning sticks into her vagina and broken the bones in her fingers…

“A nurse is called out at midnight to attend to a woman who has been brutally bashed by her husband. She is six months pregnant with her first child. In a jealous, drunken rage, her husband accused her of talking to another man earlier in the evening. She is bleeding profusely from a head wound caused by a partial avulsion of her scalp. She has also sustained a partial tear to an earlobe. She is bleeding copiously from her vagina. Her husband has kicked her repeatedly in the abdomen. Her wounds are treated, she sustains a miscarriage and is evacuated by air ambulance to the nearest hospital that night.”

Segall finishes:

“These situations are not unique or far and few. They are everyday occurrences in many communities, and there are thousands of similar examples which to health workers gradually become overwhelming and disheartening.”

These instances could be called anecdotal. For those preferring data, see the NT crime statistics for 2007-12, released late last year  by the new CLP government.

www.nt.gov.au/justice/…/nt_annual_crime_statistics_2012.doc


I guess the interesting thing is, you don't offer solutions.  You seek out crime by aborginals to spread the lie that they are all criminals, to feed your racism



I worked with them - for the Health Department - I helped them - I have PTSD from it

Solicitor/historian Joan Kimm wrote in 2004: “The intensity of this violence needs to be understood by non-Indigenous Australians. When working as a solicitor with non-Indigenous clients, I encountered infanticide, homicide, suicide, betrayals, violence, incest and other child abuse. These were tragic cases but in none was the violence equivalent to the horrific circumstances of Aboriginal violence…Aboriginal women are disadvantaged in that Aboriginal culture has become an inviolate space in our society where abuse of women often occurs with impunity because of distorted views of the respect which must be paid to Indigenous rights.”


I accept you are mentally damaged. 


There's that mirror again.....
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Reply #63 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:22am
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:46am:
Boris wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:44am:
Writing in Quadrant last November, Bubbles Segall, a worker for 36 years in Northern Territory community health, instanced these cases of violence:

“A woman is repeatedly evacuated from a remote community health centre to hospital with multiple fractures to the bones in her hands and burns to her vagina. On each of these occasions, her husband, in fits of jealous rage, has put burning sticks into her vagina and broken the bones in her fingers…

“A nurse is called out at midnight to attend to a woman who has been brutally bashed by her husband. She is six months pregnant with her first child. In a jealous, drunken rage, her husband accused her of talking to another man earlier in the evening. She is bleeding profusely from a head wound caused by a partial avulsion of her scalp. She has also sustained a partial tear to an earlobe. She is bleeding copiously from her vagina. Her husband has kicked her repeatedly in the abdomen. Her wounds are treated, she sustains a miscarriage and is evacuated by air ambulance to the nearest hospital that night.”

Segall finishes:

“These situations are not unique or far and few. They are everyday occurrences in many communities, and there are thousands of similar examples which to health workers gradually become overwhelming and disheartening.”

These instances could be called anecdotal. For those preferring data, see the NT crime statistics for 2007-12, released late last year  by the new CLP government.

www.nt.gov.au/justice/…/nt_annual_crime_statistics_2012.doc


I guess the interesting thing is, you don't offer solutions.  You seek out crime by aborginals to spread the lie that they are all criminals, to feed your racism



Well - nowhere is he saying they are ALL criminals - that's you putting your words into the discussion for your own purposes.... the actual figures on the ground show that a lot more than the average population are........ figures and facts don't give a damn about the colour of your paint job...

What are YOUR solutions?  Considering you've never been there......

Have to go for a while - I know I won't miss anything of value....
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Reply #64 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:37am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:22am:
Well - nowhere is he saying they are ALL criminals - that's you putting your words into the discussion for your own purposes.... the actual figures on the ground show that a lot more than the average population are........ figures and facts don't give a damn about the colour of your paint job...

What are YOUR solutions?  Considering you've never been there......

Have to go for a while - I know I won't miss anything of value....


Poverty breeds crime.  I've said this over and over
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Reply #65 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:42am
 
They get billions given to them every year

Its culture not poverty

Go there see for yourself

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Reply #66 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:57am
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:37am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:22am:
Well - nowhere is he saying they are ALL criminals - that's you putting your words into the discussion for your own purposes.... the actual figures on the ground show that a lot more than the average population are........ figures and facts don't give a damn about the colour of your paint job...

What are YOUR solutions?  Considering you've never been there......

Have to go for a while - I know I won't miss anything of value....


Poverty breeds crime.  I've said this over and over



Then move away from the jobless areas and go find a job ..... no problem.  Next excuse ....
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Reply #67 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 11:17am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:57am:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:37am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:22am:
Well - nowhere is he saying they are ALL criminals - that's you putting your words into the discussion for your own purposes.... the actual figures on the ground show that a lot more than the average population are........ figures and facts don't give a damn about the colour of your paint job...

What are YOUR solutions?  Considering you've never been there......

Have to go for a while - I know I won't miss anything of value....


Poverty breeds crime.  I've said this over and over



Then move away from the jobless areas and go find a job ..... no problem.  Next excuse ....


Fly somewhere else by magic, and sleep in the park? You idiot
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Reply #68 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 11:19am
 
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Reply #69 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 1:12pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 12:26am:
History Brian - live in the here and now.


Existentialism only works for the narrow minded, Graps.  I have worked with men who focus on the here and now at the exclusion of the past.   They were broken men who wanted to forget what had happened to them in the past.  Indigenous Australians had their children stolen away, without regard as to their feelings, their emotions.  They were treated as children by unfeeling white people who believed because of the colour of their skin they had fewer feelings, that they didn't love their children.  Today we have you wanting to repeat the same mistakes of the past, with the same excuses.  Is it any wonder that people Indigenous and your fellow whites think you are being Racist?  I know you are doing it to stir people, to make them to think, but you are the one who is not thinking about what you are saying.  Time for Indigenous Australians to be counted as Australians, not as some sort of alien group in our society.  Time their feelings were counted, time for them to be taken into account.  Time for you to man up and admit you were wrong.  Time to admit that you were mistaken.   The here and now is built on the past and it is the past that I am asking you to take into account in your feelings.  Can that be possible or are you going, once more, to stick with "here and now" excuse, mate?  Are you going to look like a bigger Racist?   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #70 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 1:43pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 1:12pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 12:26am:
History Brian - live in the here and now.


Existentialism only works for the narrow minded, Graps.  I have worked with men who focus on the here and now at the exclusion of the past.   They were broken men who wanted to forget what had happened to them in the past.  Indigenous Australians had their children stolen away, with regard as to their feelings, their emotions.  They were treated as children by unfeeling white people who believed because of the colour of their skin they had fewer feelings, that they didn't love their children.  Today we have you wanting to repeat the same mistakes of the past, with the same excuses.  Is it any wonder that people Indigenous and your fellow whites think you are being Racist?  I know you are doing it to stir people, to make them to think, but you are the one who is not thinking about what you are saying.  Time for Indigenous Australians to be counted as Australians, not as some sort of alien group in our society.  Time their feelings were counted, time for them to be taken into account.  Time for you to man up and admit you were wrong.  Time to admit that you were mistaken.   The here and now is built on the past and it is the past that I am asking you to take into account in your feelings.  Can that be possible or are you going, once more, to stick with "here and now" excuse, mate?  Are you going to look like a bigger Racist?   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You will find that children - Aboriginal or otherwise - are removed from broken families, Bbwian, where the father is long gone.

NO child has been ever removed from intact, functioning families with both parents present and bringing up the kiddies responsibly, not from Aboriginal families, not from mixed or any other.
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Reply #71 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 3:14pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 1:12pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 12:26am:
History Brian - live in the here and now.


Existentialism only works for the narrow minded, Graps.  I have worked with men who focus on the here and now at the exclusion of the past.   They were broken men who wanted to forget what had happened to them in the past.  Indigenous Australians had their children stolen away, with regard as to their feelings, their emotions.  They were treated as children by unfeeling white people who believed because of the colour of their skin they had fewer feelings, that they didn't love their children.  Today we have you wanting to repeat the same mistakes of the past, with the same excuses.  Is it any wonder that people Indigenous and your fellow whites think you are being Racist?  I know you are doing it to stir people, to make them to think, but you are the one who is not thinking about what you are saying.  Time for Indigenous Australians to be counted as Australians, not as some sort of alien group in our society.  Time their feelings were counted, time for them to be taken into account.  Time for you to man up and admit you were wrong.  Time to admit that you were mistaken.   The here and now is built on the past and it is the past that I am asking you to take into account in your feelings.  Can that be possible or are you going, once more, to stick with "here and now" excuse, mate?  Are you going to look like a bigger Racist?   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


This is why they were rescued

Solicitor/historian Joan Kimm wrote in 2004: “The intensity of this violence needs to be understood by non-Indigenous Australians. When working as a solicitor with non-Indigenous clients, I encountered infanticide, homicide, suicide, betrayals, violence, incest and other child abuse. These were tragic cases but in none was the violence equivalent to the horrific circumstances of Aboriginal violence…Aboriginal women are disadvantaged in that Aboriginal culture has become an inviolate space in our society where abuse of women often occurs with impunity because of distorted views of the respect which must be paid to Indigenous rights.”
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Reply #72 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 3:15pm
 
I saw this

When working as a solicitor with non-Indigenous clients, I encountered infanticide, homicide, suicide, betrayals, violence, incest and other child abuse. These were tragic cases but in none was the violence equivalent to the horrific circumstances of Aboriginal violence…
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Reply #73 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 3:20pm
 
Have a read

J Kimm, A Fatal Conjunction:  Two Laws Two Cultures

In Numbulwar, NT,  a man severed a limb off his sister while he was drunk. He went at her with an axe as well as a spear.”

Joan Kimm: p11


Recent child-abuse cases, from Central Australia and Queensland, included a seven-month baby taken out of her home and raped, and who needed surgery under general anaesthetic. A two-year-old girl left unattended while her mother drank, was sexually assaulted by a man and also needed surgery. A three-year-old was sexually assaulted by three men, and ten days later another man raped her twice, once using a mangrove stick

A six-year-old girl was followed to a waterhole and while playing there was anally raped while being drowned. A 10-year-old girl was tied to a tree and repeatedly raped. One health worker examined a 14-year-old girl ‘so raw from being raped – she had been abused since the age of three – that she screamed throughout her examination.’

Kimm p5



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Reply #74 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 3:58pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 1:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 1:12pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 12:26am:
History Brian - live in the here and now.


Existentialism only works for the narrow minded, Graps.  I have worked with men who focus on the here and now at the exclusion of the past.   They were broken men who wanted to forget what had happened to them in the past.  Indigenous Australians had their children stolen away, with regard as to their feelings, their emotions.  They were treated as children by unfeeling white people who believed because of the colour of their skin they had fewer feelings, that they didn't love their children.  Today we have you wanting to repeat the same mistakes of the past, with the same excuses.  Is it any wonder that people Indigenous and your fellow whites think you are being Racist?  I know you are doing it to stir people, to make them to think, but you are the one who is not thinking about what you are saying.  Time for Indigenous Australians to be counted as Australians, not as some sort of alien group in our society.  Time their feelings were counted, time for them to be taken into account.  Time for you to man up and admit you were wrong.  Time to admit that you were mistaken.   The here and now is built on the past and it is the past that I am asking you to take into account in your feelings.  Can that be possible or are you going, once more, to stick with "here and now" excuse, mate?  Are you going to look like a bigger Racist?   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You will find that children - Aboriginal or otherwise - are removed from broken families, Bbwian, where the father is long gone.

NO child has been ever removed from intact, functioning families with both parents present and bringing up the kiddies responsibly, not from Aboriginal families, not from mixed or any other.


We have only your judgement of what makes an "intact, functioning family," Soren.  I have known many single mothers over the years who function quite well, without a man in their relationship.  You are a traditionalist, we understand that but you really do need to step outside and talk to ordinary Australian people.  Otherwise you remain isolated from daily life.  Indigenous people are function and they often have no man either in their families.  They need support, not condemnation.  They need sometimes help but they most need is non-interference from busy body authorities who believe, like you, they know best.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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