Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 1:00pm:


At least you are capable of sequential  (if incorrect) argument; freediver's habit of asking inane questions -without defining terms - to elicit the conclusion he wants. is egregious.

Communism seeks  to introduce common prosperity, as opposed to mere acceptance of inequality arising from market outcomes (as in the US today), or privilege (as in Czarist Russia). 

Stalin adopted fascist methods eventually, because he didn't understand alternative solutions to the problems at hand.

It remains to be seen how the US will deal with the egregious community-cohesion-destroying inequality it is facing at home.

Trump tried to externalize the problem with an "America First" policy, but his China tariffs have caused inflation in the US, while  Biden is trying to unite the country with his "China threat" theory.

We live in interesting times...

I met Hitler not in his headquarters, the Brown House in Munich, but in a private home, the dwelling of a former admiral of the German Navy. We discussed the fate of Germany over the teacups.

‘Why’, I asked Hitler, ‘do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party program is the very anthesis of that commonly accredited to Socialism?’

‘Socialism’, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, ‘is the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

‘Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…

‘What’, I continued my cross-examination, ‘are the fundamental planks of your platform?’

‘We believe in a healthy mind, in a healthy body. The body politic must be sound if the soul is to be healthy. Moral and physical health are synonymous.’

‘Mussolini’, I interjected, ‘said the same to me’. Hitler beamed.

‘The slums’, he added, ‘are responsible for nine-tenths, alcohol for one-tenth of all human depravity. No healthy man is a Marxian. Healthy men recognise the value of personality. We contend against the forces of disaster and degeneration. Bavaria is comparatively healthy because it is not completely industrialised… If we wish to save Germany, we must see to it that our farmers remain faithful to the land. To do so, they must have room to breathe and room to work.’

‘Where will you find the room to work?’

‘We must retain our colonies and expand eastward. There was a time when we could have shared world domination with England. Now we must stretch our cramped limbs only toward the east. The Baltic is necessarily a German lake.'”
https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-nazi-form-of-socialism-1932/


So you can be a Hitlerite socialist or Marxian socialist. Both socialismx are grand, murderous insanities.

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 3:21pm:


You content to use Hitler's definitions (!) of socialism, communism, and Marxism?

I'll get back to your post later, but I reckon you might be on shaky ground....

UiFutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 3:59pm:



And Lenin and Stalin and Mao invented their own socialism and killed untold millions in the name of their invented socialism.

The point is - socialism is a deadly dangerous ideology, whether Hitlerite, Leninist, Maoist, Pol Potist, Castoist, Chavesista or your own or Great Cleavage's idiotic version of it. It's  ALWAYS A DEADLY FAILURE regardless of how you interpret it because it starts with a utopia and wants real people to conform to it even if it kills them, which it always does.

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:09pm:

He can't access his vast library, you see.

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:16pm:


Depends, what do you mean by the question?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:



Well, you are  ignorant,  vicious and blinkered enough to be both a  commie and a nazi. You are a totalitarian prick, ratty on uppers.

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 4:21pm:


this must be the fabled debating ability of the right wing.....