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Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:19pm
 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-17/one-unemployed-person-per-vacant-job-full...

One unemployed person per vacant job: Has Australia finally hit full employment

By ABC business reporter Gareth Hutchens

Article tells how Chifley introduced Australia's full employment policy, as an alternative to the misery of 10 % unemployment in the interwar years, resulting in unemployment less than 2% for almost thee decades,  1946-the 70's.


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Reply #1 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:36pm
 
Actual full employment is a bad idea. It would be like having no rental houses on the market.
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Reply #2 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:58pm
 
I read a tweet the other day about how many adverts in NZ there were begging for people to come to WA. NOW.

Maybe they were just running out of gimps who've all moved to Melbourne to become baristas.
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Reply #3 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:55pm
 
Not a bad idea that full employment - for those trying to get a leg-up into the workforce and future prosperity and for the nation as well, given that it would not have to sustain them for life.

High unemployment is totally stupid for any economy.... nobody wins but the parasites sucking the life blood from nations while hiding in tax havens..... tax everything in and out of tax havens NOW!

Anyone else notice how 'unemployment rate' went down once Covid restrictions eased and after a prolonged period of no mass immigration?  Anyone?  Do we actually need all those people to fill in empty rooms in rentals to feed the already fat and the flood the jobs market and create 'needs' for governments etc to employ those who speak the lingo and know the culture, regardless of all other factors?

The cost of living is through the roof due to excessive competition for limited resources in HOMING (as opposed to housing), for jobs, and for genuine opportunities with a future for Australians NOW!

We don't need more people - we need a better road ahead planned and funded.... I've given you options times many.... when will you listen?


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Reply #4 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:36pm:
Actual full employment is a bad idea. It would be like having no rental houses on the market.


Wouldn't matter if there was the option of moving on from temporary housing into a home........ there's your problem...... renting should not be a lifestyle choice........ the best form of home life security is getting a home......  Cool  Cool  Cool
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Reply #5 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 11:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:36pm:
Actual full employment is a bad idea. It would be like having no rental houses on the market.


yes...you prefer your fascist police mates to 'rough up' the unemployed to keep them in line...
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Reply #6 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 11:49pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:55pm:
Not a bad idea that full employment - for those trying to get a leg-up into the workforce and future prosperity and for the nation as well, given that it would not have to sustain them for life.

High unemployment is totally stupid for any economy.... nobody wins but the parasites sucking the life blood from nations while hiding in tax havens..... tax everything in and out of tax havens NOW!

Anyone else notice how 'unemployment rate' went down once Covid restrictions eased and after a prolonged period of no mass immigration?  Anyone?  Do we actually need all those people to fill in empty rooms in rentals to feed the already fat and the flood the jobs market and create 'needs' for governments etc to employ those who speak the lingo and know the culture, regardless of all other factors?

The cost of living is through the roof due to excessive competition for limited resources in HOMING (as opposed to housing), for jobs, and for genuine opportunities with a future for Australians NOW!

We don't need more people - we need a better road ahead planned and funded.... I've given you options times many.... when will you listen?


Dick Smith spoke a lot of sense several years back when he pointed to the impossibility of continuous increase in population to grow the economy.

The demands on the Murray's resources are already greater than the river's capacity.
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Reply #7 - Jul 19th, 2022 at 12:26am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:57pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:36pm:
Actual full employment is a bad idea. It would be like having no rental houses on the market.


Wouldn't matter if there was the option of moving on from temporary housing into a home........ there's your problem...... renting should not be a lifestyle choice........ the best form of home life security is getting a home......  Cool  Cool  Cool


As Menzies achieved when he established the Public Housing Department, with subsidized rents able to be converted to home purchase. 
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Reply #8 - Jul 19th, 2022 at 12:31am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 11:49pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:55pm:
Not a bad idea that full employment - for those trying to get a leg-up into the workforce and future prosperity and for the nation as well, given that it would not have to sustain them for life.

High unemployment is totally stupid for any economy.... nobody wins but the parasites sucking the life blood from nations while hiding in tax havens..... tax everything in and out of tax havens NOW!

Anyone else notice how 'unemployment rate' went down once Covid restrictions eased and after a prolonged period of no mass immigration?  Anyone?  Do we actually need all those people to fill in empty rooms in rentals to feed the already fat and the flood the jobs market and create 'needs' for governments etc to employ those who speak the lingo and know the culture, regardless of all other factors?

The cost of living is through the roof due to excessive competition for limited resources in HOMING (as opposed to housing), for jobs, and for genuine opportunities with a future for Australians NOW!

We don't need more people - we need a better road ahead planned and funded.... I've given you options times many.... when will you listen?


Dick Smith spoke a lot of sense several years back when he pointed to the impossibility of continuous increase in population to grow the economy.

The demands on the Murray's resources are already greater than the river's capacity.



So true.
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Reply #9 - Jul 19th, 2022 at 3:52am
 

While the government relies on the term "employed" people to brag about
low unemployment, it relies on a ludicrous ABS definition of the term.

"The ABS defines people as 'employed' if they
work one hour or more in the reference week.
"

This is claimed to be consistent with approaches used internationally.  But so
what?  In my opinion, if you're only working one hour a week, in reality you're
basically unemployed in any gainful manner.  Besides the obvious fact that NO
employer would ever employ someone on that basis.  And who's even gonna
get out of bed in order to bank a lousy $21.38 a week (before tax LOL).

The government needs to come clean, and publish the figures representing the
number of employed people working 38 hours per week on a permanent basis.

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Reply #10 - Jul 19th, 2022 at 5:21am
 
demographic change.

we are going to run out of young people.

rural folk have 6 kids because they are free labour.

a kid when you live in an urban apartment is just a pain.

an expensive pain who is usually baby sat by the electronic device and grows up with little attachment to parents who are terrible role models , living their "surviving and coping" lifestyle.

the cat and dog are better fits for these beaten down chodes.

as we enter an age where the number of people over 80 will quadruple and they are all entitled and feel they deserve 3 months of expensive hospital care every time their diabetic toe turns black, we will simply run out of staff to care for them and cash to apy for their entitlement.

its probably a good idea to start to take some personal responsibility becasue the demographics are going to leave this enormous bulge of frail and soft boomers pretty much abandoned.

without a functional economy, all the things that people expect albo or scomo to pay for evaporate.

and with so few new workers coming thru, with them prefering to just be chodes then start businesses, with them having zero sense of duty to parents and prefering their phone as their best friend , the evolutionary blowtorch is about to be applied to millions of older australians , right when they are hopelessly inadequately prepared to deal with it.

you should train hard to build personal strength.

you will certainly need it
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Reply #11 - Jul 19th, 2022 at 5:56am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 11:44pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 9:36pm:
Actual full employment is a bad idea. It would be like having no rental houses on the market.


yes...you prefer your fascist police mates to 'rough up' the unemployed to keep them in line...


And remember, just because you are paranoid does not mean they aren't out to get you.
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Reply #12 - Jul 19th, 2022 at 6:19am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 19th, 2022 at 5:21am:
demographic change.
as we enter an age where the number of people over 80 will quadruple and they are all entitled and feel they deserve 3 months of expensive hospital care every time their diabetic toe turns black, we will simply run out of staff to care for them and cash to pay for their entitlement...


It's not oldies filling up hospital beds unnecessarily.

Frontline doctors have issued desperate pleas for more people to get
vaccinated after reporting that in some hospitals all new intensive care
COVID patients have not had jabs.  An estimated 5 million people, or
10% of the eligible UK population, have not been inoculated, and it is
this group who are seemingly draining the most resources from
overstretched hospitals
, experts say.  Cambridge’s Royal Papworth
hospital said more than 80% of its COVID patients requiring the most
care were unjabbed.

The Guardian UK, 23 December 2021.
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Reply #13 - Jul 19th, 2022 at 6:39am
 
I would guarantee you that there are far far far far more people in hospital beds
With diabetes strokes heart failure kidney failure and dementia
Then with covid.

And as the number of octogenarians quadruples
And nursing homes become more stressed
You will see endless referrals from nursing homes to public hospitals
Resulting in collapse of the system

Kovid is a nice scapegoat
But the demographic change and be general unhealthiness of people due to poor nutrition and poor exercise acceptance is a way bigger problem

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Reply #14 - Jul 19th, 2022 at 8:39am
 
underemployment is the new thing

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