thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 22
nd, 2022 at 11:59am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 21
st, 2022 at 10:52pm:
Hyperbole - they were not 'barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen' .... it wasn't women who 'got sick of it' - it was men's science and progress in rights and actual votes that changed it all.... EVERY time men here gained something their first response was to give the same to the women... starting with universal male suffrage - at the very first vote on universal suffrage HERE in Australia men voted overwhelmingly that women should have an equal vote.
Of course it is rhetorical exaggeration.."hyperbole", but continuous pregnancy was the women's role for generations...even if people like Fanny Mendelssohn had brilliant careers in their own right (while bearing 6 kids for Felix).
Quote:There was no 'great victory of suffragettes' - it was men who did it for them..... women had no vote and were in fact a minority at the time..... got it?
So Oz was particularly socially advanced at the beginning of the 20th century?...certainly wasn't the case in the UK where women suffered considerable abuse, and worse, to achieve the vote.
Quote:You there yet? Hyperbolic reminiscences and re-writings of history past do not add up to reality .....
Well I know you are strong on gender politics, and weak on economic outcomes for all individuals ....
Quote:Are you prepared to say that it was not the invention of reliable contraception that changed the status of women, and not their 'fearless freedom fighting' bullshit? Who invented the Pill?
Status of men and women relies on achievement of economic and political power: on average, men have been more successful in the past.
As for the Pill, both sexes - and society - benefited from a reduction in the birth rate.
We live HERE - there is no global world war over any and every problem in every nation worldwide.
The suffragettes, by their actions in Britain, caused the government of the day to delay giving women the vote, since they were considered too unstable because of the suffragettes.
Yes - Australia at the beginning of the twentieth century had universal suffrage... a long way from the time not that long before when only the landed gentry had the vote.... men gradually got it, then as said - voted at the first opportunity for women - the minority - to have it as well.
The true nobility of Men shown clearly for all to see... took a while for the public to vote in favour of Indigenous getting the vote... again the same applies... it wasn't 'fought for' - it was given as a fair thing.
Now we are seeing Men disenfranchised in countless ways..... and still there is no backlash.... again proving that the majority of men are highly civilised here...
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