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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #720 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 11:11am

mothra wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 7:52pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 7:08pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 7:01pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 6:59pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 6:55pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 5:48pm:

Running old man?

I've already beaten you.

Not really sorry to be the bearer of bad news but i'll take the word of national polls over one on Ozpol i wouldn't even lower myself to vote on.

You couldn't beat time with a stick.

Yet i'm citing nationwide polls while Crappler is hinging it 'all on an Ozpol one.

LOL!

Wanna think through your comment again?

No ... not at all. You couldn't. You don't.

You won't.

Just a jibbering crone.

'Oh yes i have. I rarely bother anymore, considering most of you are just dyed-'in-the -'wool bigots who simply want a place to meet to still feel relevant.

Ozpol has just turned into god's waiting room for confused, disgruntled old sooks, resentful they are no longer alone in the driver's seat.

'Most of the forum ignores you as you congratulate each other for being pig-'ignorant and foul. You just wank on in your circle-'jerk inside your echo-'chamber.
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The rest of the country has lest you very much behind.

You'll find you're wrong

& I hope the kick in arse hurts you hard.

Oh & bye the bye

if the forum is so bad why don't you just bugger off?

I was going to add "& die".

But we've run out of those because you used them all up wishing it on Boomers.

Pathetic sniveling crone.

If i am wrong, there will be far fewer threads beating my breat and gnashing my teeth on here than there will be if the polls are right.

I can only begin to imagine the caterwauling.

ANd for the record, i've never said whether i think it will get up or not, i've merely reported the results of the polls. I remain uncertain as to how Australia will vote. We've a huge number of racists here.

And i've never wished death on anyone, you intolerable liar. I've merely made comment upon the passage of time. Are you not approaching the end, old boy? DO you not agree that most of your ideas are dying out with you?

If you didn't, you wouldn't spend so much of your time here whinging about the generations after yours.

I've actually not been in here for 11 days.

I've retired, so what time I spend here is my choice.

Is that comparable to the amount of whinging you do about generations before yours?

You hypocrite.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85332 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #722 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 11:19am Nice one....... she who sets out to play Joan of Arc, dies like Joan of Arc.....
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85332 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #723 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 11:26am Just for the past generations now - here are some piccies of some of the privileged jobs women were brutally cut out of:-
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #724 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 11:37am

Just got to set the stage for the discussion here... shape of the table etc... we cover a lot of ground and when the issues overlap in The Great Socialist Equality Crusade, we must needs bring all to the table first to determine the actual parameters of discussion... as I instructed Albo - no 'issue' exists in a vacuum, or in isolation, when it deals with human society and interaction...NOTHING is exclusively a 'woman's issue' or an 'Aboriginal issue' since all such impact on others in society and when they become part of a Crusade, one EVERYONE in society.....

So we must needs bring all to the table and open up discussion.... divest ourselves of that narrow thinking that pervades and prevails over 'progressive' thinking - that form of retrograde thinking disguised as the milk of human kindness since it benefits some group approved as victims... and yet which, in reality, often impacts direly on countless others.... you can't give to one without taking from another - the pie is only so big....

There must be a proper day of reckoning here...

First Vote NO to any separate Voice - it's divisive nonsense. Then we can talk.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #725 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 12:00pm

mothra wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 4:33pm:

Guardian Essential poll: most Australians support an Indigenous voice – but they don’t know too much about it

Two-thirds of respondents back constitutional recognition, including 77% of Labor voters and 53% of Coalition voters

A clear majority of Australians are on board with an Indigenous voice to parliament, according to the latest Guardian Essential poll, but a majority of respondents also haven’t heard very much about it.

Asked whether or not they would support a constitutionally enshrined voice to parliament to provide advice on policies impacting First Nations people, 65% of 1,075 Guardian Essential poll respondents said yes, and 35% said no.

The majority favour the proposed overhaul, including 77% of Labor voters, 53% of Coalition voters, 81% of Greens voters and 56% of people who vote for someone other than the major parties).

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/aug/09/guardian-essential-poll-m...

Reading on:

But 65% of respondents reported having heard hardly anything, or nothing at all, about the concept first proposed in the Uluru Statement from the Heart back in 2017. Only 35% of respondents said they had heard either a lot or a fair amount about the voice, while only 5% of respondents characterised themselves as knowing a lot about the proposal.

So there is general goodwill towards helping Aborigines but hardly anything is known or understood about what the voice would do and how it would achieve that unspecified goal.

As Anthony "Inspector Couseau" Albanese would say to Ponton, the Australian electorate, "good one".

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75156 Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #727 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 4:42pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 11:19am: Nice one....... she who sets out to play Joan of Arc, dies like Joan of Arc..... is that a threat? WTF is wrong with you?
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #728 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 4:48pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 11:37am:

First Vote NO to any separate Voice - it's divisive nonsense. Then we can talk.

Like you saw something useful to talk about, in the link you provided re abo employment (in the 'Blind Freddy' thread, see #183, my reply in that thread)?

Look forward to your ideas on closing the gap.

Albo will certainly be interested.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #729 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 8:07pm

mothra wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 4:33pm:

Guardian Essential poll: most Australians support an Indigenous voice – but they don’t know too much about it

Two-thirds of respondents back constitutional recognition, including 77% of Labor voters and 53% of Coalition voters

A clear majority of Australians are on board with an Indigenous voice to parliament, according to the latest Guardian Essential poll, but a majority of respondents also haven’t heard very much about it.

Asked whether or not they would support a constitutionally enshrined voice to parliament to provide advice on policies impacting First Nations people, 65% of 1,075 Guardian Essential poll respondents said yes, and 35% said no.

The majority favour the proposed overhaul, including 77% of Labor voters, 53% of Coalition voters, 81% of Greens voters and 56% of people who vote for someone other than the major parties).

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/aug/09/guardian-essential-poll-m...

Does anyone know what they were actually asked?

The ABC had similar results also from memory, but no-one knew what their question was either.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #730 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 8:59pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 4:48pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 11:37am:

First Vote NO to any separate Voice - it's divisive nonsense. Then we can talk.

Like you saw something useful to talk about, in the link you provided re abo employment (in the 'Blind Freddy' thread, see #183, my reply in that thread)?

Look forward to your ideas on closing the gap.

Albo will certainly be interested.

I have no ideas on closing the gap..... the gap is largely self-created, and nothing to date has worked, and it is not my province or interest to close any gaps designer made by social scientists.

I guess the government will just have to cut out all the extra funding until the recipients get to rock bottom and have no other choice than to raise themselves by their boot-straps, go to school, get some qualification, become worthy citizens, and work for a living like everyone else.

No more handouts, no more land claims, no special bodies that employ only them and paid for by the treasury ... no nothing for free...

What are your answers? Intervention and force them to school and proper social behaviour? Be my guest....

No Voice will close any gaps, and will only create greater division within this already massively divided country, and will be an endless source of endless trouble.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #731 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:04pm

freediver wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 8:07pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 4:33pm:

Guardian Essential poll: most Australians support an Indigenous voice – but they don’t know too much about it

Two-thirds of respondents back constitutional recognition, including 77% of Labor voters and 53% of Coalition voters

A clear majority of Australians are on board with an Indigenous voice to parliament, according to the latest Guardian Essential poll, but a majority of respondents also haven’t heard very much about it.

Asked whether or not they would support a constitutionally enshrined voice to parliament to provide advice on policies impacting First Nations people, 65% of 1,075 Guardian Essential poll respondents said yes, and 35% said no.

The majority favour the proposed overhaul, including 77% of Labor voters, 53% of Coalition voters, 81% of Greens voters and 56% of people who vote for someone other than the major parties).

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/aug/09/guardian-essential-poll-m...

Does anyone know what they were actually asked?

The ABC had similar results also from memory, but no-one knew what their question was either.

You KNOW the actual question is never put forward in discussion of outcome from a poll... and the question is always weighted in some way or the other.

Clearly an uninformed populace cannot make a valid judgement on any issues.... when JFK said that one guarantee of a free society was a free exchange of information, he did not mean giving nuclear secrets to the Russians ... he meant an informed populace was a guarantee of a free society - and conversely that an uninformed populace/one lead by the nose over emotive statements - is a guarantee of an unfree society.

Clearly Alboland does not encompass the concept of a free society.... but rather one lead by the nose via emotive statements.....and of course it will not affect them personally in any way...... they stand, as politicians and party members and associated public servants - to lose nothing from their mistakes.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #732 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 10:21pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:04pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 8:07pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 4:33pm:

Guardian Essential poll: most Australians support an Indigenous voice – but they don’t know too much about it

Two-thirds of respondents back constitutional recognition, including 77% of Labor voters and 53% of Coalition voters

A clear majority of Australians are on board with an Indigenous voice to parliament, according to the latest Guardian Essential poll, but a majority of respondents also haven’t heard very much about it.

Asked whether or not they would support a constitutionally enshrined voice to parliament to provide advice on policies impacting First Nations people, 65% of 1,075 Guardian Essential poll respondents said yes, and 35% said no.

The majority favour the proposed overhaul, including 77% of Labor voters, 53% of Coalition voters, 81% of Greens voters and 56% of people who vote for someone other than the major parties).

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/aug/09/guardian-essential-poll-m...

Does anyone know what they were actually asked?

The ABC had similar results also from memory, but no-one knew what their question was either.

You KNOW the actual question is never put forward in discussion of outcome from a poll... and the question is always weighted in some way or the other.

Clearly an uninformed populace cannot make a valid judgement on any issues.... when JFK said that one guarantee of a free society was a free exchange of information, he did not mean giving nuclear secrets to the Russians ... he meant an informed populace was a guarantee of a free society - and conversely that an uninformed populace/one lead by the nose over emotive statements - is a guarantee of an unfree society.

Clearly Alboland does not encompass the concept of a free society.... but rather one lead by the nose via emotive statements.....and of course it will not affect them personally in any way...... they stand, as politicians and party members and associated public servants - to lose nothing from their mistakes.

Good post...but oh boy... when it comes to "understanding" how banks (and the central bank) create money, the populace is most definitely kept in the dark by those who have control of society's purse strings.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #734 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 10:56pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 10:21pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 9:04pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 8:07pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 4:33pm:

Guardian Essential poll: most Australians support an Indigenous voice – but they don’t know too much about it

Two-thirds of respondents back constitutional recognition, including 77% of Labor voters and 53% of Coalition voters

A clear majority of Australians are on board with an Indigenous voice to parliament, according to the latest Guardian Essential poll, but a majority of respondents also haven’t heard very much about it.

Asked whether or not they would support a constitutionally enshrined voice to parliament to provide advice on policies impacting First Nations people, 65% of 1,075 Guardian Essential poll respondents said yes, and 35% said no.

The majority favour the proposed overhaul, including 77% of Labor voters, 53% of Coalition voters, 81% of Greens voters and 56% of people who vote for someone other than the major parties).

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/aug/09/guardian-essential-poll-m...

Does anyone know what they were actually asked?

The ABC had similar results also from memory, but no-one knew what their question was either.

You KNOW the actual question is never put forward in discussion of outcome from a poll... and the question is always weighted in some way or the other.

Clearly an uninformed populace cannot make a valid judgement on any issues.... when JFK said that one guarantee of a free society was a free exchange of information, he did not mean giving nuclear secrets to the Russians ... he meant an informed populace was a guarantee of a free society - and conversely that an uninformed populace/one lead by the nose over emotive statements - is a guarantee of an unfree society.

Clearly Alboland does not encompass the concept of a free society.... but rather one lead by the nose via emotive statements.....and of course it will not affect them personally in any way...... they stand, as politicians and party members and associated public servants - to lose nothing from their mistakes.

Good post...but oh boy... when it comes to "understanding" how banks (and the central bank) create money, the populace is most definitely kept in the dark by those who have control of society's purse strings.

We all know that - what do you propose we do about it? Storm them with guns and force them to our will?

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