Everything you say has been tried for decades - that's been pointed out to you so clearly you know nothing about the problems etc - and some of your responses are just general ideas with no substance.

More detail on HOW you expect these things to happen, not just the idea of what you think should happen.  Do you know the difference?

What EXACTLY should all those do?  You can't just say 'encourage government to intervene'.... WTF will that do? 

You can't just say 'intervene to stop crime etc' - they are doing that and are opposed at every step. 

HOW do you propose to ACTUALLY 'reduce crime and alcoholism '? What is it that you imagine Elders do, and can do that they are not already doing?

Try giving some solid answers - not just wannabe statements.  Your entire response says 'the individual has to first take responsibility and act for self'... nothing else works. [quote]

?? no, that's YOUR entire response, are you confused.....

[quote]Tell us your detailed master plan.... and stop just reciting ideas of what you'd like to see happen - but give us REAL actions.

Do you understand the difference?

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 20^th, 2022 at 12:49am:



The govt "interventions" which were mandated in the NT & other locations i.e. alcohol bans & the cashless debit cards have been removed by Labor govts.

So what's the point?

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20^th, 2022 at 11:24am:


Now that would have to be the pie in the sky motherhood statement of 2022.

What are your proposals for achieving this pipe dream?

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20^th, 2022 at 12:33pm:


And all of this is supposed to change anything exactly how?  This is the problem with all of your rhetoric - you point to lofty ideas as being the solution without offering any solution .............

There are countless ads on Indigenous TV about the dangers of drugs, alcohol and cigarettes ... hasn't stopped on single Cheer from doing any of those as they choose - get that last one - as they choose... personal responsibility again.

If you can get government to admit to complicity in any 'gaps' - go for it... SHOW US!  THEN if you can get governments to do anything positive about this at all - go for it... SHOW US!

What makes you think that good people haven't been trying all of those avenues for years now without any result?  I know it makes you feel all superior - but you are  just being a blind Dodo refusing to see the realities in front of you.

Come back with another platitude.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 19^th, 2022 at 6:41pm:


I'm not confused; BOTH actions are required, ie by the individual, and by the nation faced with eradicating the gap (which is a "national duty" to achieve).  Some individuals will be more recalcitrant/less amenable to direction than others...but 'lock them up', or let them out again without proper instruction, on an endless 'merry go round' in and out of prison, is evidence of failed intervention.

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The individual Australian should support his/her government to intervene (eg, to reduce crime and alcoholism) in dysfunctional communities, because most individual Australians do not personally know an aboriginal (black) Australian.

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Outlined above - reduce crime and alcoholism

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ditto

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The respected elders (if they exist) - with the full support of the Oz government (eg, banning slippery lobbying from grog profiteers) should also intervene - face to face - in their local communities to reduce crime and alcoholism.

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an economy in which all can successfully participate is indeed necessary; but even if you are satisfied with the egregious effects of the dole for unemployed whites, you cannot be satisfied with the dole in the black community which has much higher rates of unemployment, and hence more egregious social dysfunction effects. 

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True, but the egregious effects of unemployment are MUCH worse in the black community as noted above, and if the nation is to close the gap, black unemployment must be addressed with 'positive discrimination' - at least until  unemployment in both black and non-black communities is the same....

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Thoroughly addressed and refuted above. All involuntary unemployment is "unbalanced"; and all individuals need to participate in the  economy to overcome this imbalance. 

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You are confusing the 'law of the jungle' which the Right are content to accept as the basis of their economic ideology (with no upper or lower limits to individual incomes); with 'Aboriginal law" which has been swept away by history (though I admit failure to recognize this latter point is a sin committed by all sides; aboriginals ought to be able to consider being astronauts too if they wish - hardly compatible with/relevant to traditional 'aboriginal law').   

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The alpha males/females of ANY system based on the law of the jungle  - like our own economy - always 'lord it over' the less competitive members of the community.

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Regardless of "silverbacks' (eg Trump...though he is being brought down by the law), the leaders of the mega-tech companies are currently laying off thousands of workers; one commentator expressed concern for the city of San Francisco, given the massive number of lay-offs....in an economy based on "the Law of the Jungle".

Just looking at a Facebook thing I was involved in and it sounds very much like no Voice will ever get off the ground... I'm sorry to tell New Labor that the people are not as stupid as they think we are....