Meanwhile in the real world of all humans are equal and the same:-

https://www.change.org/p/stop-execution-of-iranian-protesters/u/31202277?cs_tk=A...

"Jan 5, 2023 — 

Today the world witnesses another example of the brutality of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Arshia Takdastan,18 years old, is sentenced to execution by Revolutionary Court in Iran. The young man is accused of war against God and corruption in the country among other changes. According to the Tasnim news agency which has ties to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), Arshia has confessed to trying to intimidate police officers and calling on the people to fight against police officers."

Which group do these Islamic cleric judges fall into, d'ya think?  Human or merely human?  Their way is the only way - just ask them.... I'll just bet he confessed...... in IRGC space nobody can hear you scream .....

Just my bigotry and intolerance coming out - but I'm not the one threatening to execute teenagers for objecting to vile treatment..... and clearly countless Muslims see things the same way - which is why they choose to come here... where we welcome all good people equally as is our personal sovereign choice and right.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 2:03pm:


That's not the real world, which is..... 'might is right' and "he who has the gold makes the rules".

"Humans are equal" is your mythology, what is needed is guaranteed above poverty participation

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Merely human...like both you and me both....though while both of us despise a theocratic form of government, you want the form of government in which  "freedom" ignores the plight of the least competitive in a market-based economy.

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..being in possession of scriptural truth" - wrong, of course.

Whereas achievable above poverty participation is simple common sense, as opposed to disputed "truth".

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But you are demanding everyone compete on equal terms in a market economy, despite huge individual differences in the capacity to compete. 

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Well it seems half (or more) of the population in Iran despise the dress code enforced by the theocrats; but as to your "personal sovereign choice and right", there is no such thing in nature, only under law.

And it's your insistence on equal competition - to advantage the most competitive -  among (naturally) unequal competitors, which I will continue to expose.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 3:25pm:


It should all come out as the nation debates the voice; eg Mundine says the voice won't fix the gap, "we have to fix the economy".

(Unfortunately, unlike Pearson, Mundine doesn't tell us HOW "to fix the economy").   

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Obviously a fantasy:

1. all are created with vastly different capabilities

2. there are no "inalienable rights" , otherwise we would all have them.

..whereas we all certainly DESIRE life (most of the time),  and liberty (all of the time), and desire to pursue happiness....which means we all need security to achieve these things.  

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 10:52am:
 

Glad to see you still debating.

The reference was to the first phrase "we are all created equal" - obvious BS; Mozart was writing symphonies at age six, you and I won't be capable of it in a lifetime.

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So... "inalienable rights" belong to all of us, but not always upheld......by whom, exactly?

Oh I see: the individual who chooses not to exercise them for himself, despite the fact he desires those rights to life liberty and pursuit of happiness. 

And nothing to do with certain individuals - or economic systems - who actively conspire to alienate those "inalienable rights" from others,  in pursuit of his (its)  own perceived advantage.

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A Job Guarantee (for those able to participate) as the starting point to fix all those problems, continually nurtured until the gap is closed. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 11:21am:


Now about that voice before I bring in the glitch... if you wish to discuss your ideas and ideology and philosophy- do it in the appropriate place... not in strands about the voice etc.  I know your plan is to clog these discussions up and frustrate discussion of the real issues - don't make me stop you like Lefty ....

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 12:38pm:


Universal above poverty employment is the beginning of functioning individuals and communities.

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Educate yourself; that's not what a JG is about; and abos voluntarily participated in the CDEP before it was dismantled by IPA 'small government'/free market ideologues. 

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So don't want to look at Mundine's - and Pearson's -  proposals to "fix the economy"?  ...very much part of the voice debate.

Subject compartmentalism gone mad, to avoid discovering that closing the gap might mean violating some of your cherished ideological stances re "free choice" .   
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That will not eliminate any gap unless the Abos themselves actively co-operate in doing so.  My Abo hairdresser, for example, is doing fine... his father owns a small farm and often comes in to sell produce... he was a hairdresser before his son and told people he was Italian or Greek so as to pass... they both prosper by........ working.... no gap there....

Now then - in those remote areas where work is scarce (where you've never once set foot so you know nothing) how do you propose to stamp jobs out of the ground?  Corollary question - what makes you imagine that Abos are the only ones out there in that situation?  Have you ever met anyone from a poor family that lives out West of The Great Divide?  Maybe you think they're all rich farmers and such - but where do you imagine their part-time casual labour comes from at harvesting time etc?  many local survive on that... and their children head to the cities where once jobs could be had........

Then we heard the thunder..... the thunder of 'free trade agreements' that are nothing of the sort; of 'creating a Utopia here by divesting ourselves of polluting industries and the hard work involved"; of adherence to the myths of the global economy and of private industry being more efficient (LMFAO); and all the other policies and politics of division and exclusion that arose like spreading cancers on the backs of those... your feminism, your gayism, your trannyiism(s), your ethnicisms, your classism, your elitism.... all of which have created divides in this country and certainly have created more gaps than they ever closed.

Clearly you have no grip on the realities of what creates 'gaps', but are ideologically driven to suppose that only Blacks suffer gaps...as the ideology demands of you.

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What about the 700 plus millions living in poverty over in China?