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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1560 - Jan 8^th, 2023 at 8:44pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 10:09am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

The question about a voice has been raised and is now lying in state....

"These words about the Voice are Aboriginal words....."
"Not Aboriginal words - they look like Aboriginal words, but they are not Aboriginal!"
"What do they say"
"I don't know!"
"Who would know?"
"A professor of Antiquities,Dr Kuzar...."
"Where is this Doctor Kuzar?"
"Dr Kuzar is an Abo - he is wherever you have taken the Abos!

(later, of course) ...

"Dr Kuzar - what are these words?"
"They are from a culture long dead..."
"What do they say?"
"It says - I SHALL BE FREE!"
"Voice Partisans then?"
"If so, your voice partisans are speaking to you in a language dead for over two hundred years....

Note the highlighted: all cultures - even stone age cultures - create their own idea of "freedom"; and then defend it to the death.

aka the human condition.

Insane.

It's time for rule by the UNUDHR.

Nothing about separate cultures in that statement, only "universal human rights"...not "inalieanable", but created.

Insane? Takes one to know one ey? Roll Eyes

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1562 - Jan 9^th, 2023 at 6:59am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 10:09am:

all cultures - even stone age cultures - create their own idea of "freedom"; and then defend it to the death.

aka the human condition.

Insane.

It's time for rule by the UNUDHR.

Nothing about separate cultures in that statement, only "universal human rights"...not "inalieanable", but created.

Who created the idea of rule by the UNUDHR? Why and how?

On what basis, what right, would you foist it on all other cultures, ie make it a universal human institution?

The force of your persuasive powers? Cheesy

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Reply #1563 - Jan 9^th, 2023 at 10:30am

Well - dividie now guarantees us that the Voice will now guarantee a Job Guarantee! And this after accepting fully that the Voice will have zero effect - let alone positive - on all the real issues surrounding and drowning Aboriginal communities.

Never heard that one before....

I've definitely come to the conclusion that, like Lefty, 'he' is a sheila employed by someone to promote the Voice idea in what he/she considers a very cunning way.... twist like a snake and keep coming back to the same old thing over and over. No fact or reality must be permitted to intrude into that ideological stance - of saving the world by surrendering it to the greatest lynch mob in history which is what the majority of the nations are - so try to dazzle them with pseudo-science and the appearance of substantial knowledge and deep understanding of what will save the poor, then throw the Voice back in as a given.

Whoever employs these people must imagine the general public are stupid - probably with good reason given the way that public follow like sheep every sufficiently strong utterance.... just make the statement and keep saying it and one day people will believe it....

This is like talking with Albo or Ruddski - so indoctrinated in their leaning left beliefs that reason and thinking are short-circuited.... but they still know all..... and talking to that pair is like talking to an educated sheila steeped in all that arcane knowledge tossed around these days.... most of it theories. But they must be right...

Told yez about Rudd's book - started off laying out some pertinent realities about china and its behaviour - then baulked at the point of saying 'Be Prepared!'.. neatly stepping through the minefield of saying 'stand up to the bully!"

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1565 - Jan 9^th, 2023 at 12:23pm

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 6:59am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 10:09am:

all cultures - even stone age cultures - create their own idea of "freedom"; and then defend it to the death.

aka the human condition.

Insane.

It's time for rule by the UNUDHR.

Nothing about separate cultures in that statement, only "universal human rights"...not "inalieanable", but created.

Who created the idea of rule by the UNUDHR? Why and how?

The delegates of nations gathered together in San Francisco in 1946, with a goal to create a system of law which would prevent another global conflagration.

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On what basis, what right, would you foist it on all other cultures, ie make it a universal human institution?

On the basis of our "shared/natural humanity"....to borrow your own term

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The force of your persuasive powers? Cheesy

No, the force of "conscience and reason" see UN Charter Article 1:

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience....

Note the difference compared with..."all are created equal..."

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1566 - Jan 9^th, 2023 at 12:51pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 10:30am:

Well - dividie now guarantees us that the Voice will now guarantee a Job Guarantee!

I'm interested: can you quote the words which gave you the impression I said that?

My point all along is that the voice won't achieve much - if anything - and that what is required is a JG.

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And this after accepting fully that the Voice will have zero effect - let alone positive - on all the real issues surrounding and drowning Aboriginal communities.

Never heard that one before....

Now I'm intrigued, better have a look at my last post myself......but assuming you - as is often the case - are just incapable of comprehending plain english which runs counter to your delusional "freedom' ideology, I'll push on with this reply:

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I've definitely come to the conclusion that, like Lefty, 'he' is a sheila employed by someone to promote the Voice idea in what he/she considers a very cunning way....

sexist nonsense; drop the 'sheila' thing, and confront the gap

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twist like a snake and keep coming back to the same old thing over and over.

.. a fascinating study into ideological blindness rendering analysis insensible; let's see who is the ideologically blind one among us...

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No fact or reality must be permitted to intrude into that ideological stance

UN Charter Article 1.

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience...

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- of saving the world by surrendering it to the greatest lynch mob in history which is what the majority of the nations are - so try to dazzle them with pseudo-science and the appearance of substantial knowledge and deep understanding of what will save the poor, then throw the Voice back in as a given.

the last point already addressed and disputed, please quote my words which gave you that impression.

As to "saving the world": enlightened macroeconomists are increasingly understanding what needs to be done....

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Whoever employs these people must imagine the general public are stupid - probably with good reason given the way that public follow like sheep every sufficiently strong utterance....

A confused paragraph ...who is confused/stupid and why....

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just make the statement and keep saying it and one day people will believe it....

The voice is running into trouble, as Dutton asks for more detail. But macroeconomic truth is a tougher nut to crack.

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This is like talking with Albo or Ruddski - so indoctrinated in their leaning left beliefs that reason and thinking are short-circuited.... but they still know all..... and talking to that pair is like talking to an educated sheila steeped in all that arcane knowledge tossed around these days.... most of it theories. But they must be right...

I know the feeling. Chris Schacht the other day said to me MMT is like the Canadian 'social credit' scheme of the 1920's and felt that was sufficient to dismiss MMT.

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Told yez about Rudd's book - started off laying out some pertinent realities about china and its behaviour - then baulked at the point of saying 'Be Prepared!'.. neatly stepping through the minefield of saying 'stand up to the bully!"

Unlike you: Rudd (and Kissinger in his old age) has a semblance of rationality and recognises war with China is not an option.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1567 - Jan 9^th, 2023 at 1:04pm

Gnads wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 8:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 10:09am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

The question about a voice has been raised and is now lying in state....

"These words about the Voice are Aboriginal words....."
"Not Aboriginal words - they look like Aboriginal words, but they are not Aboriginal!"
"What do they say"
"I don't know!"
"Who would know?"
"A professor of Antiquities,Dr Kuzar...."
"Where is this Doctor Kuzar?"
"Dr Kuzar is an Abo - he is wherever you have taken the Abos!

(later, of course) ...

"Dr Kuzar - what are these words?"
"They are from a culture long dead..."
"What do they say?"
"It says - I SHALL BE FREE!"
"Voice Partisans then?"
"If so, your voice partisans are speaking to you in a language dead for over two hundred years....

Note the highlighted: all cultures - even stone age cultures - create their own idea of "freedom"; and then defend it to the death.

aka the human condition.

Insane.

It's time for rule by the UNUDHR.

Nothing about separate cultures in that statement, only "universal human rights"...not "inalieanable", but created.

Insane? Takes one to know one ey? Roll Eyes

No .. a professional psychiatrist is usually required, in fact....

Now have shot at addressing the post, instead of being a "deplorable" ...like those RW nut jobs storming the Brazilian capital because they don't want to share prosperity with Brazil's poor.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1569 - Jan 9^th, 2023 at 10:12pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 1:04pm:

No .. a professional psychiatrist is usually required, in fact....

Now have shot at addressing the post, instead of being a "deplorable" ...like those RW nut jobs storming the Brazilian capital because they don't want to share prosperity with Brazil's poor.

How do you know that is why they did it? Your extreme left bias is showing in everything.

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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1570 - Jan 10^th, 2023 at 8:39am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 1:04pm:

No .. a professional psychiatrist is usually required, in fact....

Now have shot at addressing the post, instead of being a "deplorable" ...like those RW nut jobs storming the Brazilian capital because they don't want to share prosperity with Brazil's poor.

How do you know that is why they did it? Your extreme left bias is showing in everything.

Well.....as to my extreme Left stance, I know there is no reason for entrenched poverty in the modern world; whereas you think "the poor are always with us" and it's the poor who are responsible for their own plight.

In Brazil, Bolsinaro's followers hold the same views.

They think eradicating poverty will mean a reduction in their own wealth.

"How ya gonna pay for it" ....the question always asked by the Right, always seeking lower taxes and lower government spending.

Then there's other stuff like race and religion over which the deplorables like to get their knickers in a knot.

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Reply #1571 - Jan 10^th, 2023 at 8:46am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 8:39am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 1:04pm:

No .. a professional psychiatrist is usually required, in fact....

Now have shot at addressing the post, instead of being a "deplorable" ...like those RW nut jobs storming the Brazilian capital because they don't want to share prosperity with Brazil's poor.

How do you know that is why they did it? Your extreme left bias is showing in everything.

Well.....as to my extreme Left stance, I know there is no reason for entrenched poverty in the modern world; whereas you think "the poor are always with us" and it's the poor who are responsible for their own plight.

In Brazil, Bolsinaro's followers hold the same views.

They think eradicating poverty will mean a reduction in their own wealth.

"How ya gonna pay for it" ....the question always asked by the Right, always seeking lower taxes and lower government spending.

Then there's other stuff like race and religion over which the deplorables like to get their knickers in a knot.

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Reply #1573 - Jan 10^th, 2023 at 9:25am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 9^th, 2023 at 1:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 8:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 10:09am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

The question about a voice has been raised and is now lying in state....

"These words about the Voice are Aboriginal words....."
"Not Aboriginal words - they look like Aboriginal words, but they are not Aboriginal!"
"What do they say"
"I don't know!"
"Who would know?"
"A professor of Antiquities,Dr Kuzar...."
"Where is this Doctor Kuzar?"
"Dr Kuzar is an Abo - he is wherever you have taken the Abos!

(later, of course) ...

"Dr Kuzar - what are these words?"
"They are from a culture long dead..."
"What do they say?"
"It says - I SHALL BE FREE!"
"Voice Partisans then?"
"If so, your voice partisans are speaking to you in a language dead for over two hundred years....

Note the highlighted: all cultures - even stone age cultures - create their own idea of "freedom"; and then defend it to the death.

aka the human condition.

Insane.

It's time for rule by the UNUDHR.

Nothing about separate cultures in that statement, only "universal human rights"...not "inalieanable", but created.

Insane? Takes one to know one ey? Roll Eyes

No .. a professional psychiatrist is usually required, in fact....

Now have shot at addressing the post, instead of being a "deplorable" ...like those RW nut jobs storming the Brazilian capital because they don't want to share prosperity with Brazil's poor.

The origin & application of the "deplorable" label was aimed at the redneck poor of the US. Roll Eyes

and to your use of it - phukk you.

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Reply #1574 - Jan 10^th, 2023 at 10:01am

Gnads wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 9:25am:

The origin & application of the "deplorable" label was aimed at the redneck poor of the US. Roll Eyes

Like you - though maybe not poor, but certainly redneck and unintelligent.

Pages and pages on this thread, and all you have to offer (apart from some silliness about "Dictorian") is "it takes one to know one".

Redneck and deplorable.

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