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Question: Will you vote for a separate Aboriginal Voice in Parliament?

YES    
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NO    
  27 (71.1%)




Total votes: 38
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1575 - Jan 10th, 2023 at 10:11am
 
OK

You park your car on the road and walk into the Darwin Hospital because parking is an issue and on the Bridge an Abo is beating the shyte out of his wife.

They are nothing but blood thirsty savages so it is to be expected.

So what do you do?

They are such wonderful people to you so you will let him sodomise you?
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1576 - Jan 10th, 2023 at 10:15am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 9:25am:
Why do we need to change our Constitution for a race based advisory body?


Good question. Looking at the constitutional change in 1967: 

On 27 May 1967, Australians voted to change the Constitution so that like all other Australians, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples would be counted as part of the population and the Commonwealth would be able to make laws for them.

So aboriginals are already in the same situation as other Australians, vis a vis the constitution. 

The difference on the ground is the egregious gap.

You are correct: we don't need a constitutional change, we need the government to act to eradicate poverty. 







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Reply #1577 - Jan 10th, 2023 at 10:19am
 
Panther wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 8:46am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 8:39am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 10:12pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 1:04pm:
No .. a professional psychiatrist is usually required, in fact....

Now have shot at addressing the post, instead of being a "deplorable" ...like those RW nut jobs storming the Brazilian capital because they don't want to share prosperity with Brazil's poor.


How do you know that is why they did it?  Your extreme left bias is showing in everything.


Well.....as to my extreme Left stance, I know there is no reason for entrenched poverty in the modern world; whereas you think "the poor are always with us" and it's the poor who are responsible for their own plight.

In Brazil, Bolsinaro's followers hold the same views.

They think eradicating poverty will mean a reduction in their own wealth. 

"How ya gonna pay for it" ....the question always asked by the Right, always seeking lower taxes and lower government spending.


Then there's other stuff like race and religion over which the deplorables like to get their knickers in a knot. 


Smaller Government = Increased Freedom & Liberty



Except for the poor, of course.
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1578 - Jan 10th, 2023 at 12:37pm
 
If the aborigines are not being heard, I’m forced to ask - what have the Aboriginal Affairs ministers have been doing since 1968?
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Reply #1579 - Jan 10th, 2023 at 3:38pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 12:37pm:
If the aborigines are not being heard, I’m forced to ask - what have the Aboriginal Affairs ministers have been doing since 1968?


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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1580 - Jan 10th, 2023 at 3:42pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 10:19am:
Panther wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 8:46am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 8:39am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 10:12pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 1:04pm:
No .. a professional psychiatrist is usually required, in fact....

Now have shot at addressing the post, instead of being a "deplorable" ...like those RW nut jobs storming the Brazilian capital because they don't want to share prosperity with Brazil's poor.


How do you know that is why they did it?  Your extreme left bias is showing in everything.


Well.....as to my extreme Left stance, I know there is no reason for entrenched poverty in the modern world; whereas you think
"the poor are always with us" and it's the poor who are responsible for their own plight.
 
Lies - your rabid generalisation and paranoia are showing alongside your utter lack of knowledge of people.  I have never said those things and how dare you lump me in with people who do?  I simply don't agree with your extreme Leftist way of resolving these things while you push a hidden agenda - get a life.  No wonder I ponder the level of your autism


In Brazil, Bolsinaro's followers hold the same views.

They think eradicating poverty will mean a reduction in their own wealth. 

"How ya gonna pay for it" ....the question always asked by the Right, always seeking lower taxes and lower government spending.


Then there's other stuff like race and religion over which the deplorables like to get their knickers in a knot. 


Smaller Government = Increased Freedom & Liberty



Except for the poor, of course.


We will NOT be having a Voice to pursue your pipe dream of 'eradicating poverty' - It Will Never Happen - and that is for a multitude of reasons which you simply do not understand, given that you think a government apparatus can just sweep in and take total control and fix it.

Don't make me laugh.
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1581 - Jan 10th, 2023 at 3:45pm
 
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Reply #1582 - Jan 11th, 2023 at 1:26pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 12:37pm:
If the aborigines are not being heard, I’m forced to ask - what have the Aboriginal Affairs ministers have been doing since 1968?


As I have already agreed, nothing that has been effective in closing the gap (except for a partial 'experiment' with the CDEP).

So the blacks, and their confused white supporters, are asking for a voice, in the mistaken belief the black affairs minister will do something differently.

But unfortunately the black affairs ministers will still be constrained by the dysfunctional neoliberal market system. 

Get back to me in ten years - voice or no voice -  when I will be able to say (unfortunately)  - "I told you so".
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Reply #1583 - Jan 11th, 2023 at 1:40pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 3:42pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 10:19am:
Panther wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 8:46am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 8:39am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 10:12pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 9th, 2023 at 1:04pm:
No .. a professional psychiatrist is usually required, in fact....

Now have shot at addressing the post, instead of being a "deplorable" ...like those RW nut jobs storming the Brazilian capital because they don't want to share prosperity with Brazil's poor.


How do you know that is why they did it?  Your extreme left bias is showing in everything.


Well.....as to my extreme Left stance, I know there is no reason for entrenched poverty in the modern world; whereas you think
"the poor are always with us" and it's the poor who are responsible for their own plight.
 
Lies - your rabid generalisation and paranoia are showing alongside your utter lack of knowledge of people.  I have never said those things and how dare you lump me in with people who do?  I simply don't agree with your extreme Leftist way of resolving these things while you push a hidden agenda - get a life.  No wonder I ponder the level of your autism


In Brazil, Bolsinaro's followers hold the same views.

They think eradicating poverty will mean a reduction in their own wealth. 

"How ya gonna pay for it" ....the question always asked by the Right, always seeking lower taxes and lower government spending.


Then there's other stuff like race and religion over which the deplorables like to get their knickers in a knot. 


Smaller Government = Increased Freedom & Liberty



Except for the poor, of course.


We will NOT be having a Voice to pursue your pipe dream of 'eradicating poverty' - It Will Never Happen


..your usual multiple errors in the very first words you utter...

1. we don't know the outcome of the referendum yet

2. eradicating poverty is not a pipe-dream; multiple academic departments are  finally engaged with achieving sustainable universal prosperity in a big way now, simply because the planet's survival depends on it.

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- and that is for a multitude of reasons which you simply do not understand, given that you think a government apparatus can just sweep in and take total control and fix it.

Don't make me laugh.


Once the macroeconomists work out how to correctly mobilize resources for sustainable prosperity, (hint: it's not a monetary problem) governments will follow.
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•• THIS QUESTION SHOULD BE ASKED ••
Reply #1584 - Jan 11th, 2023 at 1:51pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 12:37pm:
If the aborigines are not being heard, I’m forced to ask - what have the Aboriginal Affairs ministers been doing since 1968?



A question about THAT should be asked.


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Reply #1585 - Jan 11th, 2023 at 2:02pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 3:42pm:
(Re "the poor are always with us" and "it's the poor who are responsible for their own plight")

Lies - your rabid generalisation and paranoia are showing alongside your utter lack of knowledge of people.  I have never said those things and how dare you lump me in with people who do? 


I have been on these boards long enough to know the above quotes are standard fare from the Right.  And in fact your own blind 'personal responsibility' dogma, held without taking into account external circumstances, is exemplified in the 2nd quote.

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I simply don't agree with your extreme Leftist way of resolving these things while you push a hidden agenda - get a life.  No wonder I ponder the level of your autism


As you know, I'm following the latest developments in sustainable  economics at the tertiary level, which will soon overturn the current dysfunctional neoliberal orthodoxy.






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Reply #1586 - Jan 11th, 2023 at 2:08pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 11th, 2023 at 1:51pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 12:37pm:
If the aborigines are not being heard, I’m forced to ask - what have the Aboriginal Affairs ministers been doing since 1968?



A question about THAT should be asked.





Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 3:38pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 12:37pm:
If the aborigines are not being heard, I’m forced to ask - what have the Aboriginal Affairs ministers been doing since 1968?


https://media.tenor.com/bm8Q6yAlsPsAAAAi/verified.gif



And that's just the federal ministers.

Ask also about state and territory ministers, local councils, Aboriginal land councils, cooperatives, university departments, artists, writers, singers, rappers, magistrates etc.


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Reply #1587 - Jan 11th, 2023 at 6:57pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 11th, 2023 at 2:02pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 3:42pm:
(Re "the poor are always with us" and "it's the poor who are responsible for their own plight")

Lies - your rabid generalisation and paranoia are showing alongside your utter lack of knowledge of people.  I have never said those things and how dare you lump me in with people who do? 


I have been on these boards long enough to know the above quotes are standard fare from the Right.  And in fact your own blind 'personal responsibility' dogma, held without taking into account external circumstances, is exemplified in the 2nd quote.

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I simply don't agree with your extreme Leftist way of resolving these things while you push a hidden agenda - get a life.  No wonder I ponder the level of your autism


As you know, I'm following the latest developments in sustainable  economics at the tertiary level, which will soon overturn the current dysfunctional neoliberal orthodoxy.



You truly have the deep autism of the extremist ideologist.... leap to all sorts of conclusions on the flimsiest evidence about people and simply reach instantly for black and white solutions in a world of greys .... saying that people have a personal responsibility to get out of their own sh
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t is not the same as saying it's their fault they are in it... and mentioning certain salient factors that PUT them in it, over which they have power to change, is not the same, either.  Nothing is stopping your pets from taking advantage of all the benefits flung their way.... regardless of where they live... as one clear example.... and other aspects of their own personal choices keep them down and out...

You cannot argue that....... and slagging at people as some kind of extreme right wing ideologue for pointing out the bleedingly obvious will never give you anything but grief...

Truly a lost soul..... talk about half-baked..... go back to school.
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Reply #1588 - Jan 11th, 2023 at 7:34pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 11th, 2023 at 6:57pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 11th, 2023 at 2:02pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 3:42pm:
(Re "the poor are always with us" and "it's the poor who are responsible for their own plight")

Lies - your rabid generalisation and paranoia are showing alongside your utter lack of knowledge of people.  I have never said those things and how dare you lump me in with people who do? 


I have been on these boards long enough to know the above quotes are standard fare from the Right.  And in fact your own blind 'personal responsibility' dogma, held without taking into account external circumstances, is exemplified in the 2nd quote.

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I simply don't agree with your extreme Leftist way of resolving these things while you push a hidden agenda - get a life.  No wonder I ponder the level of your autism


As you know, I'm following the latest developments in sustainable  economics at the tertiary level, which will soon overturn the current dysfunctional neoliberal orthodoxy.



You truly have the deep autism of the extremist ideologist....
 

pass...

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leap to all sorts of conclusions on the flimsiest evidence about people and simply reach instantly for black and white solutions in a world of greys ....


now you have resorted to waffling: everyone except the Right  knows the Right blame poverty on its victims, and YOU blindly blame people living in poverty for their "lack of personal responsibility",  blind to the effects  of external circumstances like macro economics and geopolitics. Stick to addressing  arguing against the voice (which won't be capable of closing the gap anyway), your approach to geopolitics and macroeconomics is disastrous. 

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why saying that people have a personal responsibility to get out of their own poo is not the same as saying it's their fault they are in it... and mentioning certain salient factors that PUT them in it, over which they have power to change, is not the same, either.



Yes it is. We smashed their culture,  that's just fact; we will have to build a new one they can live with.

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  Nothing is stopping your pets from taking advantage of all the benefits flung their way.... regardless of where they live... as one clear example.... and other aspects of their own personal choices keep them down and out...


Total lack of understanding of the effects systemic cultural (as the culture was smashed) and personal demoralization, as generational disadvantage which set in while the culture was smashed, became the norm.

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You cannot argue that.......


I just did, above, including an expose of your blind 'personal responsibility' dogma

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and slagging at people as some kind of extreme right wing ideologue for pointing out the bleedingly obvious will never give you anything but grief...


People in the streets are already experiencing plenty of grief at the hands of the extreme Right, like the anti-fascist leftists who have been impelled to come out in force to support Lula,  in Brazil, against Bolsonaro's deplorables who can't tolerate Lula's poverty-reduction program.

Bolsonaro's greedy, deplorable, fascist thugs.   

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Truly a lost soul..... talk about half-baked..... go back to school


I have too keen an eye on this world, already; school won't change that. 
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Re: •• THIS QUESTION SHOULD BE ASKED ••
Reply #1589 - Feb 15th, 2023 at 11:49am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 11th, 2023 at 1:51pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 12:37pm:
If the aborigines are not being heard, I’m forced to ask - what have the Aboriginal Affairs ministers been doing since 1968?



A question about THAT should be asked.


They have been constrained while trying to cope with fake neoliberal dogma re the NAIRU, and erroneous "balanced budget" orthodoxy.
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