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Question: Will you vote for a separate Aboriginal Voice in Parliament?

YES    
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NO    
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Total votes: 38
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1620 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 1:06pm
 
Anyway - the voice question IS being asked ... and the proponents of it are making it very uneasy for the true believer followers by constantly lamenting that it's taking too long and that means the NO case is building...

Say what?  Let me re-consider that one.... the voice proposal to install in our constitution via a massive and preferential change to one small group on some mythical basis control to some undefined degree over every national discussion is growing weaker by the day because the people who will vote on it are being allowed to discuss it?

What kind of dictatorship do these people imagine we live in?  Like children, they want it their way or no way - well - guess what.......

Sounds like 'Ras' Putin's invasion of Ukraine... be all over in a coupla days... a year later and with a massive death toll it goes on and on with no end in sight.... so the longer this voice idea goes on and is discussed, the less likelihood of it getting up.....

Well - if that is the case why are we bothering at all?  Apart from the lazy money being thrown at it for a few mates etc.... your Langtons and Dodsons and such and a few Labor leeches and barnacles .. paid to sit on committees and deliberate on it and make even sillier pronouncements by the day..... sure, sure... but as an advisory body only whose advice a government can reject it is of no use (Langton) .... it needs POWERS to impose on the nation as a whole....

Well - that dog ain't gonna hunt, is it?

Told youse idjits from the start - Albo and Corporation Labor have NO intention of seeing this thing get up.... if it does they will be as surprised as you and me.... and the outcome will be that people are being alerted to the Great ripoff that the aboriginal VictimHood Industry is at $100m a day to achieve nothing, and will want and pursue change.

... and you think the Libs are playing this badly... they need only wait and then pounce..... either Labor comes up with REAL plans to fix the problems that are getting more and more mediaplay by the day or the Opposition will sail in with alternatives.....
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1621 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 1:33pm
 
I might answer yes, but not by allowing politicians to monkey with the Constitution, and then tell us what they did after the fact. Is this unreasonable?
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1622 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 1:38pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
I might answer yes, but not by allowing politicians to monkey with the Constitution, and then tell us what they did after the fact. Is this unreasonable?


Exackery - what an amazing concept - just vote for this and we'll fix it all up later to suit us... don't you worry about that.... what do you mean, the Nazis got elected and then just went ahead and declared there would be no other party but theirs etc and Adolph was head for life?

You don't think politicians would lie or cheat, do you?  Look at the bastards in prison or caught rorting their travel expenses etc... and that's the tip of the iceberg... what about the insider trading knowing that a policy is going through and will have billions thrown at it... get the missus in on the ground floor... no lying or cheating there....
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1623 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:05pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:55pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 10:01am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 9:25am:
The origin & application of the "deplorable" label was aimed at the redneck poor of the US. Roll Eyes
 

Like you - though maybe not poor, but certainly redneck and unintelligent.

Pages and pages on this thread, and all you have to offer (apart from some silliness about "Dictorian") is "it takes one to know one".

Redneck and deplorable. 



Deplorable self interested wanker .... that's you.


you can prove your point by showing why a Job Guarantee is impermissible...
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1624 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:08pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 1:33pm:
I might answer yes, but not by allowing politicians to monkey with the Constitution, and then tell us what they did after the fact. Is this unreasonable?


It's not unreasonable; but what exactly are you considering answering YES to?

Closing the gap, or something else....
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1625 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:34pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:05pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:55pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 10:01am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 9:25am:
The origin & application of the "deplorable" label was aimed at the redneck poor of the US. Roll Eyes
 

Like you - though maybe not poor, but certainly redneck and unintelligent.

Pages and pages on this thread, and all you have to offer (apart from some silliness about "Dictorian") is "it takes one to know one".

Redneck and deplorable. 



Deplorable self interested wanker .... that's you.


you can prove your point...


He doesn’t need to. You’ve already done that for him.
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1626 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:53pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:34pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:05pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:55pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 10:01am:
[quote author=Gnads link=1659098415/1573#1573 date=1673306737]
The origin & application of the "deplorable" label was aimed at the redneck poor of the US. Roll Eyes
 

Like you - though maybe not poor, but certainly redneck and unintelligent.

Pages and pages on this thread, and all you have to offer (apart from some silliness about "Dictorian") is "it takes one to know one".

Redneck and deplorable. 



Deplorable self interested wanker .... that's you.


you can prove your point...


Ah poor Lisa, always on the look out for a cheap shot, so long as she can avoid actual debate of any actual issue.

eg, her question answered  in the MMT thread ....followed by  deadly silence.

perhaps you can assist gnads: why is a Job Guarantee impracticable/impermissible?
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1627 - Mar 24th, 2023 at 8:48am
 
We would not regard as ­legitimate a contract whose risks had not been disclosed; for the same reasons, a constitutional amendment whose consequences had not been made apparent could hardly claim democratic legitimacy.

The greatest risk is that the voice will move us further from – rather than closer to – ­reconciliation.

Our experience with similar bodies since 1973 is telling. At Thursday’s press conference, Indigenous academic Marcia Langton claimed there was “no evidence” to show those bodies had not worked. However, the historical record flatly contradicts her assertion.

Our experience with similar bodies since 1973 is telling. At Thursday’s press conference, Indigenous academic Marcia Langton claimed there was “no evidence” to show those bodies had not worked. However, the historical record flatly contradicts her assertion.

Thus, as Jeremy Beckett, a scholar who could hardly be ­accused of being a reactionary, concluded, the Whitlam government’s National Aboriginal Consultative Committee, which was the first representative national body elected by Aboriginal people, “was scarcely a success, failing to work with government”.


Instead of facilitating consultation, “the requirement to make decisions merely brought pre-­existing differences into the open and created occasions for new ones”.

The Fraser government’s replacement version, the National Aboriginal Conference, was “scarcely more successful”, becoming ever more extreme before the Hawke government, exasperated by its unending ­histrionics, abolished it in 1985.

As for its successor, the scandal-ridden ATSIC, it is too often forgotten that well before the Howard government disbanded it in 2005, Patrick Dodson and Labor loudly urged its abolition.

Those disappointing outcomes, which exactly mirror experience in countries that range from Finland to Chile, are no accident. The fundamental feature of indigenous assemblies is that they concentrate on one aspect of identity – race – in which we differ, elevating that feature above the many things we share.

By removing the common ground, their design has invariably fostered an “us versus them” mentality that fuels escalating polarisation.
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1628 - Mar 24th, 2023 at 9:04am
 
We want to change your constitution!
Okay, what's the changes?
We can't tell you that.
Why not?
We haven't decided what we're going to change.
Okay, so why don't you go away, work out exactly what you want and come back to us with some information on exactly what it is you want to change.
So you're a bigoted racist!
No, I want some clarity.
Just trust us, it will be sweet as bro.
Pardon me if I do not trust liars.
Racist.
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1629 - Mar 24th, 2023 at 10:21am
 
We better hope the Aboriginals get their voice, because we're all going to be living like them soon



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Reply #1630 - Mar 24th, 2023 at 12:59pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 10:21am:
We better hope the Aboriginals get their voice, because we're all going to be living like them soon


All.... including Oz's rich-listers? Not a chance.....
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Reply #1631 - Mar 24th, 2023 at 2:38pm
 
Constitutional quagmire’: John Howard expresses concern over Voice to Parliament

An Indigenous Voice to Parliament making recommendations to every part of federal government creates potential for those recommendations to be “litigated if they are rejected”, says Former prime minister John Howard.

“I think you’re gone into a new constitutional quagmire,” Mr Howard told Sky News host Chris Kenny.

“Greg Craven, somebody who supports the Voice, said that the form announced by Mr Albanese a day or so ago is about the worst possible form.”

Mr Howard said support for the Voice will “continue to drop” and the issues facing Indigenous Australians are only solved pragmatically by governments intervening where necessary.
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/chris-kenny/constitutional-quagmire-john-howard-expresses-concern-over-voice-to-parliament/video/cd1fe4582390b32aad2595ada85b5532
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1632 - Mar 24th, 2023 at 10:11pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:53pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:34pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:05pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:55pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 10:01am:
[quote author=Gnads link=1659098415/1573#1573 date=1673306737]
The origin & application of the "deplorable" label was aimed at the redneck poor of the US. Roll Eyes
 

Like you - though maybe not poor, but certainly redneck and unintelligent.

Pages and pages on this thread, and all you have to offer (apart from some silliness about "Dictorian") is "it takes one to know one".

Redneck and deplorable. 



Deplorable self interested wanker .... that's you.


you can prove your point...


Ah poor Lisa, always on the look out for a cheap shot, so long as she can avoid actual debate of any actual issue.

eg, her question answered  in the MMT thread ....followed by  deadly silence.

perhaps you can assist gnads: why is a Job Guarantee impracticable/impermissible?


Because it has nothing to do with the 'voice' proposal that is currently entering its death dive...
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1633 - Mar 25th, 2023 at 11:42am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 10:11pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:53pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:34pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:05pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:55pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10th, 2023 at 10:01am:
[quote author=Gnads link=1659098415/1573#1573 date=1673306737]
The origin & application of the "deplorable" label was aimed at the redneck poor of the US. Roll Eyes
 

Like you - though maybe not poor, but certainly redneck and unintelligent.

Pages and pages on this thread, and all you have to offer (apart from some silliness about "Dictorian") is "it takes one to know one".

Redneck and deplorable. 



Deplorable self interested wanker .... that's you.


you can prove your point...


Ah poor Lisa, always on the look out for a cheap shot, so long as she can avoid actual debate of any actual issue.

eg, her question answered  in the MMT thread ....followed by  deadly silence.

perhaps you can assist gnads: why is a Job Guarantee impracticable/impermissible?


Because it has nothing to do with the 'voice' proposal that is currently entering its death dive...


poor graps: a classic case of not being able to see cause and effect.

The voice is supposed to close the gap, did you forget?

And when the voice goes down - or even if it gets up -  the nation will be still be faced with closing the gap 

And only a JG, not clever manipulation via the poverty industry (nor practicing hunter-gathering on "sovereign lands"), will achieve that outcome, by definition. 
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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1634 - Mar 26th, 2023 at 8:32am
 
Abbos already have a voice:

that needle block Corona he free one and he safe one

big more people all around the world been already get em that their needle

get that needle and stay proper strong one and thank you


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