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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 85094 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #1665 - Jul 29^th, 2023 at 4:33pm ... and is being shot down as we speak ....... going down, baby....
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29863 Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #1666 - Jul 29^th, 2023 at 5:26pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 12:20pm: It would be so much much easier if these uppity Aboriginal people just went back to their own country, wouldn't it Frank? Why don't you?
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 85094 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #1667 - Jul 29^th, 2023 at 5:39pm It's being asked and is dying on its feet.....
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Reply #1668 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:07pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 5:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 12:20pm:

It would be so much much easier if these uppity Aboriginal people just went back to their own country, wouldn't it Frank?

Why don't you?

Worthless response.....or low IQ response (take your pick); Oz is the blacks' country.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 85094 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #1669 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:11pm Might have been their walkabout land at some time - it isn't now...... Best you stick to your endless parroting and leave silly ideology out of it..... this is MY country ....you are welcome to hand back all you possess and leave at any time you choose.
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Reply #1670 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:14pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 5:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 12:20pm:

It would be so much much easier if these uppity Aboriginal people just went back to their own country, wouldn't it Frank?

Why don't you?

Worthless response.....or low IQ response (take your pick); Oz is the blacks' country.

No, it is not. They had NO IDEA of Oz. They had small and particular tribal areas. Most of them are NOT living in their tribal areas and most of them have more Anglo blood in them than you, Macedinuan content farmer.

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Reply #1671 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:23pm

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 5:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 12:20pm:

It would be so much much easier if these uppity Aboriginal people just went back to their own country, wouldn't it Frank?

Why don't you?

Worthless response.....or low IQ response (take your pick); Oz is the blacks' country.

No, it is not.

You failing to keep up again, Frank?

Everyone including even Dutton accepts constitutional recognition of the fact of prior black occupation of Oz.

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They had small and particular tribal areas.

Out on a limb there, mate! ......tribal areas covering the entire continent.

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Most of them are NOT living in their tribal areas and most of them have more Anglo blood in them than you, Macedinuan content farmer.

Your error there is to blithely ignore 200 years of dispossession and inter-racial cohabitation. .....

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Reply #1672 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 2:16pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:23pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

[quote]They had NO IDEA of Oz. They had small and particular tribal areas.

Out on a limb there, mate! ......tribal areas covering the entire continent.

Of which none of them had any idea. They knew nothing of a continent, of Australia. They knew nothing beyond their territorial borders but that there were hostile tribes there they constantly feuded with. Beyond that, no notion of any kind.

Anyway.

There was no way Abos could be staying in Stone Age aspic any longer. Modernity reached the Australian continent in the late 18th century and there is no way back. So the options for Aborigines is to catch up to modernity or catch up to modernity. They can resist it, they can fight it but they will lose. They will have to adjust to modernity because nobody will adjust to their Stone Age ways and beliefs. It's over. The only worthwhile effort they can make is to adjust and be part of modernity. Most of them realise this and have done so.
The ones that are hanging on to Stone Age ways and beliefs are called 'remote disadvantaged Aboriginal communities".

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Reply #1673 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 6:22pm

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 2:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:23pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

[quote]They had NO IDEA of Oz. They had small and particular tribal areas.

Out on a limb there, mate! ......tribal areas covering the entire continent.

Of which none of them had any idea.

They certainly knew what dispossession of tribal lands meant...see how silly is your claim they only knew their own locality, as if your claim has any relevance to current black sovereignty/land-rights claims? (however misplaced).

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They knew nothing of a continent, of Australia. They knew nothing beyond their territorial borders but that there were hostile tribes there they constantly feuded with. Beyond that, no notion of any kind.

Irrelevant. They possessed land from which they were driven by the white invders.

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Modernity reached the Australian continent in the late 18th century and there is no way back.....The only worthwhile effort they can make is to adjust and be part of modernity.

The question is: does the nation have an equal responsibility to assist them to be part of modernity?

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Most of them realise this and have done so.

But not those living on, eg the APY lands, and similar situations elsewhere.

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The ones that are hanging on to Stone Age ways and beliefs are called 'remote disadvantaged Aboriginal communities".

(....note those quote marks again....)

Yes, but not only remote: the Alice and similar places are suffering high crime rates caused by entrenched disadvantage (a fact graps doesn't want to acknowledge).

So... what must the nation do to eradicate that disadvantage, to close the gap. I heard the average life-span in the APY lands is 48 years..

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Reply #1674 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 6:52pm

Well those days are long gone now - Frank hit it on the head when he said they cannot persist with their old hunter-gatherer ways... all that leads them to in the modern age is hunting and gathering what belongs to others... if the Terr-uh-tree applied all of its laws fully - most of them would be in prison or detention now. All those kids roaming the streets of Alice and breaking in to homes and such would be in childcare.... and the wailing would never cease about how they are the victims.

Give 'em Aborassic Park and let 'em sort it out between themselves.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 85094 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #1675 - Jul 30^th, 2023 at 6:54pm Not at all, mon vieux - what are the causes of current day entrenched disadvantage for Aborigines? You've been squirming for 24 hours now to try and evade answering that simple question... I know why .... you're in a corner and on the ropes......
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Reply #1676 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 8:42am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 6:52pm:

Well those days are long gone now - Frank hit it on the head when he said they cannot persist with their old hunter-gatherer ways...

True - and? But Frank ignores the fact blacks were dispossessed of their lands, and are now trying to reverse that situation as far as possible. My solution is to house all blacks decently, thereby taking the wind out of the sails of the activists.

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All those kids roaming the streets of Alice and breaking in to homes and such would be in childcare.... and the wailing would never cease about how they are the victims.

Solution given above; plus gainful employment for all adults to ensure functional home evironments for the kids.

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Give 'em Aborassic Park and let 'em sort it out between themselves.

But you just claimed they have to leave the Stone Age behind....

Low IQ?

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Reply #1677 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 8:47am

Well, then - what are the causes of the current Indigenous disadvantage?

Aborassic Park permits them to act in their 'traditional' ways all separated from the evil white man's influences such as dole money and enforced poverty and social security dependence generationally, let alone the need to abandon their hunter-gatherer ways and actually learn to be part of Australia - Low IQ?

Is that your problem? Low IQ?

Now, then - what are the causes of the current Indigenous disadvantage? We all know you're terrified to answer since you see the trap you set for yourself. Now don't be a chicken little or a gutless low IQ coward - you can do it.

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Reply #1678 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 10:34am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 8:47am:

Well, then - what are the causes of the current Indigenous disadvantage?

Aborassic Park permits them to act in their 'traditional' ways

But most Australians agree they have to exit the stone age.

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Now, then - what are the causes of the current Indigenous disadvantage?

Same as for all disadvantage, plus the unique history of blacks in Oz since the invasion in 1788.

I accept your concession.

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Reply #1679 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 10:42am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 10:34am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 8:47am:

Well, then - what are the causes of the current Indigenous disadvantage?

Aborassic Park permits them to act in their 'traditional' ways

But most Australians agree they have to exit the stone age.

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Now, then - what are the causes of the current Indigenous disadvantage?

Same as for all disadvantage, plus the unique history of blacks in Oz since the invasion in 1788.

I accept your concession.

Most Australians except them - you are getting perilously close to admitting what the causes of the current Indigenous disadvantage are. Thank you for your surrender.

235 years to catch up with reality and they're still sitting on their arses.... and yet some are prospering mightily....

So I must ask again:-

What are the causes of the current Indigenous disadvantage?

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