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Re: The question about a voice will be asked...
Reply #1680 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 1:03pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 10:42am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 10:34am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 8:47am:

Well, then - what are the causes of the current Indigenous disadvantage?

Aborassic Park permits them to act in their 'traditional' ways

But most Australians agree they have to exit the stone age.

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Now, then - what are the causes of the current Indigenous disadvantage?

Same as for all disadvantage, plus the unique history of blacks in Oz since the invasion in 1788.

I accept your concession.

Most Australians except them - you are getting perilously close to admitting what the causes of the current Indigenous disadvantage are. Thank you for your surrender.

Not so fast. Noel Pearson - a man of influence in the black community - said (in a recent 'Boyer lecture'):
"I am a black, an Australian, and a human being with rights defined in the UN Charter."

His recognition of his common humanity is even more advanced than yours.

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235 years to catch up with reality and they're still sitting on their arses.... and yet some are prospering mightily....

Fallacy of composition (....you are making a habit of it): Some are, some aren't.

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So I must ask again:-

What are the causes of the current Indigenous disadvantage?

Same as for all disadvantage, plus the unique history of blacks in Oz vis a vis all non-h-g people in Oz since 1788.

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Reply #1681 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 1:25pm

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 5:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 12:20pm:

It would be so much much easier if these uppity Aboriginal people just went back to their own country, wouldn't it Frank?

Why don't you?

Worthless response.....or low IQ response (take your pick); Oz is the blacks' country.

No, it is not. They had NO IDEA of Oz. They had small and particular tribal areas. Most of them are NOT living in their tribal areas and most of them have more Anglo blood in them than you, Macedinuan content farmer.

Of course it is you cretin. They didn't need to know where the continent ended for it to be their land. They only needed to know where their land ended. Friggen hell you're a dead set idiot

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #1682 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 1:32pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 1:25pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 5:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 29^th, 2023 at 12:20pm:

It would be so much much easier if these uppity Aboriginal people just went back to their own country, wouldn't it Frank?

Why don't you?

Worthless response.....or low IQ response (take your pick); Oz is the blacks' country.

No, it is not. They had NO IDEA of Oz. They had small and particular tribal areas. Most of them are NOT living in their tribal areas and most of them have more Anglo blood in them than you, Macedinuan content farmer.

Of course it is you cretin. They didn't need to know where the continent ended for it to be their land. They only needed to know where their land ended. Friggen hell you're a dead set idiot

That IS the point, Thicko Gino - they were just little territorial bands, clans, tribes, wondering the perimeters of their tiny little foraging territories.
Never nations, never sovereigns. The only things that links them is that they were equally primitive little tribes, unaware of anything remotely approaching nationhood.

There is no instant bridging of the HUGE chasm in levels of social organisation between 20,000 BC and 1788.

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Reply #1683 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 1:36pm

Frank wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 1:32pm:

That IS the point, Thicko Gino - they were just little territorial bands, clans, tribes, wondering the perimeters of their tiny little foraging territories.
Never nations, never sovereigns. The only things that links them is that they were equally primitive little tribes, unaware of anything remotely approaching nationhood.

you're a moron.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #1684 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 5:04pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 1:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 1:32pm:

That IS the point, Thicko Gino - they were just little territorial bands, clans, tribes, wondering the perimeters of their tiny little foraging territories.
Never nations, never sovereigns. The only things that links them is that they were equally primitive little tribes, unaware of anything remotely approaching nationhood.

you're a moron.

You have such a way with words....

Meanwhile - I haven't read this yet, but I'm sure I know how it will pan out:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/labor-seeking-to-update-first-nations-cultu...

"Labor seeking to ‘update’ First Nations cultural heritage protections.

Environment and Water Minister Tanya Plibersek says Labor is aiming for better protection for First Nations heritage and “more certainty” for farmers.

“What we’re seeking to do is to update our First Nations cultural heritage protections,” Ms Plibersek said during Question Time on Monday.

What farmers can be certain about is that Labor will shag them over, and try to bamboozle them with a pack of BS.

Which reminds me... now that we weren't on the subject:-

How is Dictator Dan going with his 'treaty' with the Victorian Abos? You know - the treaty that a state cannot enter into and for which he has not once sought the opinion of the Victorian people - such as their opinion is given their clear propensity to swallow any BS and feel good about it.

Once he establishes this 'precedent' - 'treaty' with the losers on their terms without any consultation with the people - the majority stakeholders - it's not even a stone's throw for Albo to do the same at Federal level - I predict during the 'sorting out' or implementation phase of his 'voice' IF it gets in....... just a minor administrative thing, you know - no need to seek another referendum to see whether the people want a treaty with their own citizens ... or are they citizens?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74990 Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #1685 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 5:52pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 5:04pm: You have such a way with words.... no more need be said does it? I could write twenty pages explaining why he is a moron, but in the end, it's the same thing, he's a moron. I've always been a firm believer in getting to the point.
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85090 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #1687 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 6:00pm Here's one for Smitty:-
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85090 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The question about a voice will be asked... Reply #1688 - Jul 31^st, 2023 at 6:11pm Damn - I forgot how good these songs are....
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Question: Will you vote for a separate Aboriginal Voice in Parliament?
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