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Re: Americans Are Waiting In Breadlines
Reply #30 - Jul 31st, 2022 at 10:57pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 2:22pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 12:40pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 30th, 2022 at 10:13pm:
Every word in the article is true, ...


Nope.  Not even close.

You've been sucked in by TGP again.

When will you learn?



Gweggy turd deploys his powerful intellect to argue his side with logic and facts, point by point. How does he do it???

He just says, 'Nope', and..... er...... that's it!!!

Even Bbwtrian would have to strengthen such an argument with tut tutting and eyerolling - but not gweggy turd. Just 'nope' is all he needs to put his mighty mind at ease.  Coz a 'nope' from a turd is as good as facts and logic from anyone else.


To be fair to Groggy we ought to give him some slack as he only has 1 brain cell these days.
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Re: Americans Are Waiting In Breadlines
Reply #31 - Jul 31st, 2022 at 11:07pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 10:41pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 3:49pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Jul 30th, 2022 at 9:58pm:
The 'Gateway Pundit' is known as a source of viral falsehoods and hoaxes. It's been
described by the Harvard Journal of Law & Technology as one of the websites that
"primarily propagate fake news", by Newsweek as a fake news website, and by CNN
as a website "prone to peddling conspiracy theories".


Typical knee-jerk reaction.

Well, I lifted that verbatim off Wikipedia.  Take it or leave it.

Quote:
So where are the 'viral falsehoods and hoaxes' ???

Before you swallow whole what the Gateway Pundit says, you might like to take a look at the PolitiFact web site.

https://i.postimg.cc/8cbS3xFx/Screenshot-2022-07-31-at-22-39-07-Politi-Fact.png

The above is just a small sample of the bullshit the Gateway Pundit propagates.    Roll Eyes





And yet you can't disprove a word of the article.

Wiki is more opinion than fact. I take everything I read there with a large grain of salt! Politifact is a pay site catering to liberal contributors and says what brings in the suckers!
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Re: Americans Are Waiting In Breadlines
Reply #32 - Aug 1st, 2022 at 1:11am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 11:07pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 10:41pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 3:49pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Jul 30th, 2022 at 9:58pm:
The 'Gateway Pundit' is known as a source of viral falsehoods and hoaxes. It's been
described by the Harvard Journal of Law & Technology as one of the websites that
"primarily propagate fake news", by Newsweek as a fake news website, and by CNN
as a website "prone to peddling conspiracy theories".


Typical knee-jerk reaction.

Well, I lifted that verbatim off Wikipedia.  Take it or leave it.

Quote:
So where are the 'viral falsehoods and hoaxes' ???

Before you swallow whole what the Gateway Pundit says, you might like to take a look at the PolitiFact web site.

https://i.postimg.cc/8cbS3xFx/Screenshot-2022-07-31-at-22-39-07-Politi-Fact.png

The above is just a small sample of the bullshit the Gateway Pundit propagates.    Roll Eyes





And yet you can't disprove a word of the article.

Wiki is more opinion than fact. I take everything I read there with a large grain of salt! Politifact is a pay site catering to liberal contributors and says what brings in the suckers!


The Gateway Pundit (TGP) is an American far-right fake news website.

The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.
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Re: Americans Are Waiting In Breadlines
Reply #33 - Aug 1st, 2022 at 8:07am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 11:07pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 10:41pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 3:49pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Jul 30th, 2022 at 9:58pm:
The 'Gateway Pundit' is known as a source of viral falsehoods and hoaxes. It's been
described by the Harvard Journal of Law & Technology as one of the websites that
"primarily propagate fake news", by Newsweek as a fake news website, and by CNN
as a website "prone to peddling conspiracy theories".


Typical knee-jerk reaction.

Well, I lifted that verbatim off Wikipedia.  Take it or leave it.

Quote:
So where are the 'viral falsehoods and hoaxes' ???

Before you swallow whole what the Gateway Pundit says, you might like to take a look at the PolitiFact web site.

https://i.postimg.cc/8cbS3xFx/Screenshot-2022-07-31-at-22-39-07-Politi-Fact.png

The above is just a small sample of the bullshit the Gateway Pundit propagates.    Roll Eyes





And yet you can't disprove a word of the article.

Wiki is more opinion than fact. I take everything I read there with a large grain of salt! Politifact is a pay site catering to liberal contributors and says what brings in the suckers!


And yet, those 'lines" are there thanks to cuts by your Dear Leader, which you fully supported.

So I'm curious. When you support tax cuts for the rich, cuts to the food stamps program and cuts to social security across the board, why do you wring your hands over the plight of the poor?

That's a question.
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Re: Americans Are Waiting In Breadlines
Reply #34 - Aug 1st, 2022 at 11:45am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 11:07pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 10:41pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 3:49pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Jul 30th, 2022 at 9:58pm:
The 'Gateway Pundit' is known as a source of viral falsehoods and hoaxes. It's been
described by the Harvard Journal of Law & Technology as one of the websites that
"primarily propagate fake news", by Newsweek as a fake news website, and by CNN
as a website "prone to peddling conspiracy theories".


Typical knee-jerk reaction.

Well, I lifted that verbatim off Wikipedia.  Take it or leave it.

Quote:
So where are the 'viral falsehoods and hoaxes' ???

Before you swallow whole what the Gateway Pundit says, you might like to take a look at the PolitiFact web site.

https://i.postimg.cc/8cbS3xFx/Screenshot-2022-07-31-at-22-39-07-Politi-Fact.png

The above is just a small sample of the bullshit the Gateway Pundit propagates.    Roll Eyes





And yet you can't disprove a word of the article.

Wiki is more opinion than fact. I take everything I read there with a large grain of salt! Politifact is a pay site catering to liberal contributors and says what brings in the suckers!


Yep! It's encouraging to know there are a some alert posters on this forum Mortdooly!
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Re: Americans Are Waiting In Breadlines
Reply #35 - Aug 1st, 2022 at 9:04pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 10:56pm:
Well said! Sensible post! 👍


Thank you very much. Good to see a Conservative recognizing the evils of neoliberalism, and its bastard offspring,  privatization.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-05/interest-rates-rise-expected-to-increase-...

"Since 1946, the CES had been responsible for linking unemployed people with job vacancies, filling labour shortages, and producing regular statistics on the labour force.

It had offices everywhere, with specialist staff that maintained relationships with employers around the country.

Back then, when politicians boasted about finding work for unemployed Australians, it wasn't rhetoric. They were responsible for the government agency that did so.

Here's an excerpt from a parliamentary debate in 1963 in which William McMahon, then minister for labour, bragged about his government's achievements:

[.......]

However, when full employment was ditched (after the 70's], the CES was white-anted.

CES staff, who'd spent their careers trying to help unemployed people find work, were increasingly asked to spend more time monitoring the behaviour of the unemployed to help find budget savings by cutting people off welfare for failing numerous "activity tests".

A new philosophy blew through Canberra, on winds from overseas, that saw value in attaching increasingly onerous conditions to welfare payments.

Initially, there was strong resistance from CES staff to the new culture, but their resistance was worn down.

And things changed fundamentally in 1998 when the "employment services" the CES provided were privatised.
[note: courtesy of conservative Howard govt]. 

"This radical transformation of employment service delivery is without parallel in OECD countries," noted the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development in a special paper on Australia's new labour market experiment.

"Since the introduction of Job Network in 1998, employment services are mainly offered by independent providers from the private and community sector.

"The remaining government body is offering services on the same terms and conditions as the private providers, and has retained only a relatively minor share in the market."

Fast forward to 2022, and that privatisation has proven very profitable for the private companies that win lucrative government contracts to deliver those "employment services" each year.

But it's also given those private companies power to suspend Australians' welfare payments."


Whereas in Oz under post-war Keynesian deficit spending (1946-70's),  unemployment was mostly kept to below 2%, so welfare was a moot point.   

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Re: Americans Are Waiting In Breadlines
Reply #36 - Aug 1st, 2022 at 9:10pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2022 at 1:11am:
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 11:07pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 10:41pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 3:49pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Jul 30th, 2022 at 9:58pm:
The 'Gateway Pundit' is known as a source of viral falsehoods and hoaxes. It's been
described by the Harvard Journal of Law & Technology as one of the websites that
"primarily propagate fake news", by Newsweek as a fake news website, and by CNN
as a website "prone to peddling conspiracy theories".


Typical knee-jerk reaction.

Well, I lifted that verbatim off Wikipedia.  Take it or leave it.

Quote:
So where are the 'viral falsehoods and hoaxes' ???

Before you swallow whole what the Gateway Pundit says, you might like to take a look at the PolitiFact web site.

https://i.postimg.cc/8cbS3xFx/Screenshot-2022-07-31-at-22-39-07-Politi-Fact.png

The above is just a small sample of the bullshit the Gateway Pundit propagates.    Roll Eyes





And yet you can't disprove a word of the article.

Wiki is more opinion than fact. I take everything I read there with a large grain of salt! Politifact is a pay site catering to liberal contributors and says what brings in the suckers!


The Gateway Pundit (TGP) is an American far-right fake news website.

The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.


Yes
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Re: Americans Are Waiting In Breadlines
Reply #37 - Aug 1st, 2022 at 9:45pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2022 at 1:11am:
The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.


That's enough about The Granuiad, gweggy.

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Re: Americans Are Waiting In Breadlines
Reply #38 - Aug 1st, 2022 at 11:12pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 10:41pm:
Well, I lifted that verbatim off Wikipedia.  Take it or leave it.


When it comes to politics and the like Wikipedia is nothing more than a propaganda machine.

I'll ask again, where are the 'falsehoods and hoaxes' in that article?

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Before you swallow whole what the Gateway Pundit says, you might like to take a look at the PolitiFact web site.


There's a thing or two you need to know about PolitiFact:

https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/06/06/politifcked-an-office-manger-from-florid...


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Reply #39 - Aug 1st, 2022 at 11:33pm
 
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And yet, those 'lines" are there thanks to cuts by your Dear Leader, which you fully supported.

So I'm curious. When you support tax cuts for the rich, cuts to the food stamps program and cuts to social security across the board, why do you wring your hands over the plight of the poor?

That's a question.


It seems to always be beyond the liberal mind to understand over fifty percent of Americans pay no income tax but want the rich to pay their fair share. Raising taxes on the rich raises the price of goods and services because the cost is passed on. Try to understand this if nothing else. Government spends too much and spends most of it irresponsibly. This government can never live within its income so raising taxes doesn't fix anything.
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Re: Americans Are Waiting In Breadlines
Reply #40 - Aug 1st, 2022 at 11:45pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Aug 1st, 2022 at 11:33pm:
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And yet, those 'lines" are there thanks to cuts by your Dear Leader, which you fully supported.

So I'm curious. When you support tax cuts for the rich, cuts to the food stamps program and cuts to social security across the board, why do you wring your hands over the plight of the poor?

That's a question.


It seems to always be beyond the liberal mind to understand over fifty percent of Americans pay no income tax but want the rich to pay their fair share.


Yes well... when  the 50% live paycheck to paycheck  (or worse), it's reasonable for the one-percenters to pay more in tax, as Gates and Buffet have both agreed.   

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Raising taxes on the rich raises the price of goods and services because the cost is passed on.


er ...you have that back to front: raising wages (if supply is constrained) raises the prices of goods and services because companies pass the costs on, to maintain profit margins.   But wages of the working class have to be sufficient to create sufficient spending power to support the economy.

Quote:
Try to understand this if nothing else.


Yes please do.

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Government spends too much and spends most of it irresponsibly. This government can never live within its income so raising taxes doesn't fix anything.


So don't tax anyone.... should be an interesting show to watch...


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Reply #41 - Aug 1st, 2022 at 11:59pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Aug 1st, 2022 at 11:33pm:
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And yet, those 'lines" are there thanks to cuts by your Dear Leader, which you fully supported.

So I'm curious. When you support tax cuts for the rich, cuts to the food stamps program and cuts to social security across the board, why do you wring your hands over the plight of the poor?

That's a question.


It seems to always be beyond the liberal mind to understand over fifty percent of Americans pay no income tax but want the rich to pay their fair share. Raising taxes on the rich raises the price of goods and services because the cost is passed on. Try to understand this if nothing else. Government spends too much and spends most of it irresponsibly. This government can never live within its income so raising taxes doesn't fix anything.


So why did you post the OP?

I'm curious.
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Reply #42 - Aug 2nd, 2022 at 12:32am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 31st, 2022 at 11:07pm:
...Wiki is more opinion than fact. I take everything I read there with a large grain of salt! Politifact is a pay site catering to liberal contributors and says what brings in the suckers!


To seriously believe that Wikipedia is merely a source of "opinion"
only is erroneous.  The fact that it's edited in real time by people
like you and me ensures that it's not simply peoples' personal
opinions—it's effectively peer reviewed, constantly, and often by
highly accredited professionals in all fields of the sciences and the
humanities, and politics and economics.  That you take "everything"
on Wikipedia with a large grain of salt only limits your own knowledge
of world affairs by blinding you to 99% of its relevant content.

And to describe Politifact as a "liberal" pay site is truly absurd. It's a
nonprofit project operated by the Poynter Institute in St. Petersburg,
Florida.

It's been awarded the Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting, with TIME
magazine "characteriz[ing] PolitiFact as having the "hard-earned and
important position as referee in the mudslinging contest—a 'truth
vigilante,' as it were", and "PolitiFact is trying to do the right thing here.
And despite the efforts of partisans to work the refs by complaining
about various calls they’ve made in the past, they’re generally doing a
hard, important thing well. They often do it better than the rest of the
political media, and the political press owes them for doing it."


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Reply #43 - Aug 2nd, 2022 at 12:35am
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 1st, 2022 at 11:59pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Aug 1st, 2022 at 11:33pm:
Quote:
And yet, those 'lines" are there thanks to cuts by your Dear Leader, which you fully supported.

So I'm curious. When you support tax cuts for the rich, cuts to the food stamps program and cuts to social security across the board, why do you wring your hands over the plight of the poor?

That's a question.


It seems to always be beyond the liberal mind to understand over fifty percent of Americans pay no income tax but want the rich to pay their fair share. Raising taxes on the rich raises the price of goods and services because the cost is passed on. Try to understand this if nothing else. Government spends too much and spends most of it irresponsibly. This government can never live within its income so raising taxes doesn't fix anything.


So why did you post the OP?

I'm curious.



To share with you what a fine job your boy brandon is doing for the American poor!
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Reply #44 - Aug 2nd, 2022 at 1:10am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 1st, 2022 at 11:45pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Aug 1st, 2022 at 11:33pm:
Quote:
And yet, those 'lines" are there thanks to cuts by your Dear Leader, which you fully supported.

So I'm curious. When you support tax cuts for the rich, cuts to the food stamps program and cuts to social security across the board, why do you wring your hands over the plight of the poor?

That's a question.


It seems to always be beyond the liberal mind to understand over fifty percent of Americans pay no income tax but want the rich to pay their fair share.


Yes well... when  the 50% live paycheck to paycheck  (or worse), it's reasonable for the one-percenters to pay more in tax, as Gates and Buffet have both agreed.   

Quote:
Raising taxes on the rich raises the price of goods and services because the cost is passed on.


er ...you have that back to front: raising wages (if supply is constrained) raises the prices of goods and services because companies pass the costs on, to maintain profit margins.   But wages of the working class have to be sufficient to create sufficient spending power to support the economy.

Quote:
Try to understand this if nothing else.


Yes please do.

Quote:
Government spends too much and spends most of it irresponsibly. This government can never live within its income so raising taxes doesn't fix anything.


So don't tax anyone.... should be an interesting show to watch...





I can see how you are lost in the weeds on this.

The majority of people who live paycheck to paycheck seem quite content to do so as long as their "house of cards" doesn't fall. To them money is like ripe fruit, use it as soon as possible. It isn't a habit of just the poor, many middleclass are just as bad. Where I worked people with identical wages some retired with nothing but a little pension and others left with more than a million dollars. All had the same opportunities, the difference was the choices they made during their working lives.

Taxes are just one more cost of doing business and as expenses go up so does the price charged.

There was a time when there was no income tax and the government lived on the fees and duties it charged. It even contributed to starting a war between the States when legislation required the less populated South to pay most of the expense of running the government. All of the personal income tax collected today goes to pay the interest on the national debt.
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