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Citizens call for the Army
Aug 5^th, 2022 at 8:58am

A local disability group are calling for help
End the intimidation and violence. It’s time to welcome the Australian Army to our town to help us!!
On behalf of Central Australia‘s most valuable citizens (those living with a disability).
We request that the Territory and Commonwealth governments to Work together to implement the following immediately;
1. Provide sufficient resources, which may include the use of the Australian Defence Force to,
A, to Police known trouble spots
B, To introduce a zero-tolerance approach to crime and criminal behaviour in Alice Springs.
C, To implement an immediate nighttime youth curfew for a period of 6 months.
2. We call on both levels of Government to begin discussions in order to create a skills-based Outback boarding school out of Alice Springs for young offenders and at-risk youth.
3. We call on the territory government to immediately instigate a review of the youth justice Act to ensure that the Act institutes the principles of accepting responsibility for one’s actions.
People living with a disability in Alice Springs Should no longer have to feel fear just because they live in Alice Springs.
Therefore if these urgent requests are not attended to, DAGAS will ask the people of Alice Springs to rally together at 5 pm Monday Evening the 12th of September in order that the much-needed circuit breaker is delivered.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Citizens call for the Army Reply #1 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 9:46am Seems reasonable (given the location as well as the group requesting the assistance).
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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4010 Gender:	Re: Citizens call for the Army Reply #2 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 9:50am The Australia army can not be used to police domestic issues or against civilians.
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Re: Citizens call for the Army
Reply #3 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 10:15am

This from a Citizen of the Alice

Joel Crawford
Yes I am one of the three founders of this group! We need your support greatly!! The elderly, sick and disabled are at a much higher risk and the big issues of safety are not there in this town and not being addressed by our local Government.
Just yesterday at the Hartley Street School museum I look after had extensive damage done to it! Smashed glass all over the place I still there now as I write this😡! Which I shall be notifying to council at 8am.
In the office I found a huge stone next to my office chair by the computer! I have Epilespsy and if it hit me in the head at a time when I would be doing the admin! I do not think I be here telling you this now. So how am I suppose to dress!!! Make sure I have a Motor Bike Helmet on my head! In case when I am in there at the computer desk a rock come's through it and hit's me in the head🤷!!!???.
This lawlessness must stop! And I am sorry for all those that disagree and want this to continue! But police can not handle this ouy of control lawlessness any longer.
Army intervention, 6 to 12 months curfew and education out of town needed.
We ask all of you to please march with us if these much needed demands are not put in place by September.
I have been saying now for a long time!! Enough is enough.
If anyone would like to get in contact with me please email me at joelcrawford43@gmail.com and together we can all win back our town! For us to make it a safer town for all.
Let us all do this before it is way toooooo late.

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Re: Citizens call for the Army
Reply #4 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 10:33am

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 9:50am:

The Australia army can not be used to police domestic issues or against civilians.

Yes it can

The provisions in the Constitution immediately relevant to the relationship
between the executive and the Defence Force are:

s 51 The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws
for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with
respect to:-…

(vi) The naval and military defence of the Commonwealth and of the
several States, and the control of the forces to execute and maintain
the laws of the Commonwealth.

s 119 The Commonwealth shall protect every State against invasion and, on the
application of the Executive Government of the State, against domestic
violence.

https://www.unswlawjournal.unsw.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/28-2-7.pdf

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Re: Citizens call for the Army
Reply #5 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 11:12am

Boris wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 10:33am:

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 9:50am:

The Australia army can not be used to police domestic issues or against civilians.

Yes it can

The provisions in the Constitution immediately relevant to the relationship
between the executive and the Defence Force are:

s 51 The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws
for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with
respect to:-…

(vi) The naval and military defence of the Commonwealth and of the
several States, and the control of the forces to execute and maintain
the laws of the Commonwealth.

s 119 The Commonwealth shall protect every State against invasion and, on the
application of the Executive Government of the State, against domestic
violence.

https://www.unswlawjournal.unsw.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/28-2-7.pdf

I believe the application of executive government of state against domestic violence refers to incidence of armed insurrection and or rebellion. It is not applicable to usual policing matters. Good try.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84105 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Citizens call for the Army Reply #6 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 12:16pm Wonder if there'll be a Tarrant circuit breaker.... just a thought...
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34532 Gender:	Re: Citizens call for the Army Reply #7 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 12:42pm it would be a good learning exercise if adam bandt and all the other green senators were made to do a 1 week camping trip with their families in the Todd River
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Re: Citizens call for the Army
Reply #8 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 12:55pm

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 11:12am:

Boris wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 10:33am:

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 9:50am:

The Australia army can not be used to police domestic issues or against civilians.

Yes it can

The provisions in the Constitution immediately relevant to the relationship
between the executive and the Defence Force are:

s 51 The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws
for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with
respect to:-…

(vi) The naval and military defence of the Commonwealth and of the
several States, and the control of the forces to execute and maintain
the laws of the Commonwealth.

s 119 The Commonwealth shall protect every State against invasion and, on the
application of the Executive Government of the State, against domestic
violence.

https://www.unswlawjournal.unsw.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/28-2-7.pdf

I believe the application of executive government of state against domestic violence refers to incidence of armed insurrection and or rebellion. It is not applicable to usual policing matters. Good try.

No quite that simple. While the ADF has not been used in suppressing armed insurrection, it has been used to neutralise terrorists and is often used to enforce evacuation orders etc. during natural disasters.

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3978 Gender:	Re: Citizens call for the Army Reply #9 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 1:06pm maintain the laws of the Commonwealth. against domestic violence. In Alice Springs the laws are out the window and domestic violence is a serious issue
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Re: Citizens call for the Army
Reply #10 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 1:12pm

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 11:12am:

I believe the application of executive government of state against domestic violence refers to incidence of armed insurrection and or rebellion. It is not applicable to usual policing matters.

The law is quite clear. Domestic (Australia is where I am domiciled), Violence against those domiciled within Australia.

The Army has been called out for bush fires, looting after events where the States have requested help.

"7.12 In order to perform these roles, the ADF maintains significant military capability supported by comprehensive logistics support and employs advanced technology. These capabilities can be used in a broad range of circumstances, including warfighting, securing Australia’s maritime boundary, support to counterterrorism capabilities, search and rescue, and humanitarian assistance and disaster relief."

https://naturaldisaster.royalcommission.gov.au/publications/html-report/chapter-...

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3978 Gender:	Re: Citizens call for the Army Reply #11 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 1:24pm The NT is not a State The Crime in the NT is out of all Control - so the Citizens are calling for the Army to protect the Citizens You say - they don't need the army - things are just fine - let the people be raped and murdered - everything is just fine in the NT
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17436 Gender:	Re: Citizens call for the Army Reply #12 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 2:22pm Boris wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 1:24pm: The NT is not a State It still has the power to call on the ADF.
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Re: Citizens call for the Army
Reply #13 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 2:46pm

Aid to the civil power is a complex issue. Normally, the ADF steers well clear of doing law enforcement because it is difficult at the best of times for it to be called out. In 1974 in Darwin, the local commander refused to allow his camp stores to be issued to the civilian population which had survived Cyclone Tracy. He was severely criticised for that decision.

In 1978 a bomb exploded outside the Hilton Hotel Sydney, killing a council worker who was attempting to empty a rubbish bin. The Australian Government called out the regular Army to patrol railway lines and roads without authorisation. Indeed, such a kerfuffle was caused that it was not discovered until two years later that the Government did not have the ability to legally do this. It took another few years for a special act of Parliament to be passed enabling a partial mobilisation.

In 1989 an Earthquake struck Newcastle and local command in mind of what happened to the Darwin commander called out, off his own bat, the local Army Reserve and authorised the issue of camp stores to civilians, he was praised for his decision. The Army Reserve had no special powers which required another act of Parliament.

Overall the ADF looks very askance at being requested to provide Aid to the Civil Power. While it can now, legally partially mobilise it's forces to do so, it is still difficult and it's forces have no special powers of arrest or detention. In Melbourne in 2020 the Army provided extra backup to the civil police in the execution of their duties however in doing so, they were deployed in mixed patrols with the civil police providing the legal authority and the ADF the manpower. The people of Alice Springs can panic as much as they like but you won't see ADF personnel patrolling the streets any time in the near future.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103841 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Citizens call for the Army Reply #14 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 2:56pm tickleandrose wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 9:50am: The Australia army can not be used to police domestic issues or against civilians. Dirty Dan did so in Melbourne during the lockdowns.
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