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Reply #15 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 1:08pm
 
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Japan was cut off - not a drop of oil or bag of food could reach them -
so it was working.


How do you know?
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #16 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 1:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 1:08pm:
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Japan was cut off - not a drop of oil or bag of food could reach them -
so it was working.


How do you know?



The Jap navy was sunk.
They were making synthetic fuel out of trees to run a few aeroplanes they had left
for Kamikaze missions with pilots who had only a few hours of training.
It was pathetic.
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Reply #17 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 1:24pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 12:37pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 12:25pm:
What makes you think that Bobby?



Japan was already defeated.

Most of their cities were reduced to piles of smoking rubble
by conventional bombing including their capital - Tokyo.
The Yanks could have surrounded Japan and cut it off from
all trade until they surrendered.
Sure - it  might have taken another 6 months or so.



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The invasion of the Japanese home islands was planned for November 1945, commencing with the invasion of Kyushu (Operation Olympic), followed by the invasion of Honshu in March 1946 (Operation Coronet). The initial estimate predicted 250,000 casualties in the first phase of these operations alone, with the most pessimistic predictions estimating that the war would continue until 1948, with the final number of casualties in the millions.

The use of the bombs was entirely justified.

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #18 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 1:29pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 1:24pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 12:37pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 12:25pm:
What makes you think that Bobby?



Japan was already defeated.

Most of their cities were reduced to piles of smoking rubble
by conventional bombing including their capital - Tokyo.
The Yanks could have surrounded Japan and cut it off from
all trade until they surrendered.
Sure - it  might have taken another 6 months or so.



Yet another revisionist. Roll Eyes 
The invasion of the Japanese home islands was planned for November 1945, commencing with the invasion of Kyushu (Operation Olympic), followed by the invasion of Honshu in March 1946 (Operation Coronet). The initial estimate predicted 250,000 casualties in the first phase of these operations alone, with the most pessimistic predictions estimating that the war would continue until 1948, with the final number of casualties in the millions.

The use of the bombs was entirely justified.




I wonder if Truman would have done it if
he'd have known that the Manhattan project
had information leaking like a sieve -
and that Russia would have nukes only 3 years from then -
and that would kick off a cold war that risked destroying the entire earth?
At one point there were 60,000 nuclear weapons.
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #19 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 1:43pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 12:45pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 12:43pm:
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The Yanks could have surrounded Japan and cut it off from
all trade


What makes you think they didn't try that?



They had already cut off Japan.





Perhaps the number crunchers figured that the cost of retaining such a massive fleet just to contain the Home Islands outweighed the cost of bombing - using bombs they'd already spent billions on.  If the US/UK had simply declared it over without surrender and occupation and withdrawn the fleets, the Japanese would have sold it to their suffering people as a Modern Kamikaze divine wind that saved Nippon..... and nothing would have changed.  Troops from China would have come home and off they'd go again.

The only real option was unconditional surrender and occupation - one way or the other.  Better to use the bombs and secure surrender than kill a million boys getting the same result.
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #20 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 2:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 1:29pm:
I wonder if Truman would have done it if
he'd have known that the Manhattan project
had information leaking like a sieve -
and that Russia would have nukes only 3 years from then -
and that would kick off a cold war that risked destroying the entire earth?
At one point there were 60,000 nuclear weapons.


The Japs didn't surrender, only Hirohito did, he told his idiot military to stop fighting, so that his stupid royal family wouldn't get wiped out

There was Russians coming from the north, and Americans coming from the south. He learned the Americans wouldn't harm him or his family, but the Russians might

The Yanks should have jailed him for life, they let him off to easily

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #21 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 2:14pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 2:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 1:29pm:
I wonder if Truman would have done it if
he'd have known that the Manhattan project
had information leaking like a sieve -
and that Russia would have nukes only 3 years from then -
and that would kick off a cold war that risked destroying the entire earth?
At one point there were 60,000 nuclear weapons.


The Japs didn't surrender, only Hirohito did, he told his idiot military to stop fighting, so that his stupid royal family wouldn't get wiped out

There was Russians coming from the north, and Americans coming from the south. He learned the Americans wouldn't harm him or his family, but the Russians might

The Yanks should have jailed him for life, they let him off to easily




But the Yanks hanged many of the military leaders.

Tojo was hanged.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Tojo


Tojo was sentenced to death on November 12, 1948, and executed by hanging 41 days later on December 23, 1948, a week before his 64th birthday.[113] Before his execution, he gave his military ribbons to one of his guards; they are on display at the National Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola, Florida.[114] In his final statement, he apologised for the atrocities committed by the Japanese military and urged the American military to show compassion toward the Japanese people, who had suffered devastating air attacks and the two atomic bombings.[115]

After his execution, Tojo's body was cremated and his ashes were scattered over the Pacific Ocean approximately 30 miles (48 km) east of Yokohama from a US Army aircraft on the afternoon of 23 December, along with the ashes of six other Class-A war criminals.
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Reply #22 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 3:25pm
 
The atom bombs dropped on Japan saved millions of lives, allied and Japanese
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #23 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 4:08pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 1:14pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 1:08pm:
Quote:
Japan was cut off - not a drop of oil or bag of food could reach them -
so it was working.


How do you know?



The Jap navy was sunk.
They were making synthetic fuel out of trees to run a few aeroplanes they had left
for Kamikaze missions with pilots who had only a few hours of training.
It was pathetic.


It was enough that the Allies estimated it would cost the lives of 1.5 million soldiers to defeat them. Not exactly pathetic.
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #24 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 4:10pm
 
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The Yanks should have jailed him for life, they let him off to easily


It is important that future enemies are willing to trust you that you will not harm their leaders if they surrender. It saves millions of lives, which is more important than vengeance.
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #25 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:22pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 4:08pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 1:14pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 1:08pm:
Quote:
Japan was cut off - not a drop of oil or bag of food could reach them -
so it was working.


How do you know?



The Jap navy was sunk.
They were making synthetic fuel out of trees to run a few aeroplanes they had left
for Kamikaze missions with pilots who had only a few hours of training.
It was pathetic.


It was enough that the Allies estimated it would cost the lives of 1.5 million soldiers to defeat them. Not exactly pathetic.



1.5 million?

Only if Japan was invaded.
Japan is an island nation that was devastated by war -
they would have had to eventually come to peace terms.
It was matter of 6 months to a year perhaps.

I think Truman nuked them more as a lesson for Stalin
in case he had ideas of overrunning western Europe.
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #26 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:36pm
 
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It was matter of 6 months to a year perhaps.


Are you just making it up as you go along?

How many lives would one more year of war have cost? Above 40 to 50 million died in WWII in total.
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #27 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:42pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:36pm:
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It was matter of 6 months to a year perhaps.


Are you just making it up as you go along?

How many lives would one more year of war have cost? Above 40 to 50 million died in WWII in total.



Hi FD,
there is plenty of revisionist literature for you to read on the web
if you want to go into it in great detail.
I don't have exact figures but anyone in this area is speculating
including me - I admit it.

Question -
if you were Truman would you have slept soundly in your bed
after ordering those 2 nuclear attacks?
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Reply #28 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:48pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:42pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:36pm:
Quote:
It was matter of 6 months to a year perhaps.


Are you just making it up as you go along?

How many lives would one more year of war have cost? Above 40 to 50 million died in WWII in total.



Hi FD,
there is plenty of revisionist literature for you to read on the web
if you want to go into it in great detail.
I don't have exact figures but anyone in this area is speculating
including me - I admit it.

Question -
if you were Truman would you have slept soundly in your bed
after ordering those 2 nuclear attacks?


Yes.
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #29 - Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:56pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:42pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2022 at 9:36pm:
Quote:
It was matter of 6 months to a year perhaps.


Are you just making it up as you go along?

How many lives would one more year of war have cost? Above 40 to 50 million died in WWII in total.



Hi FD,
there is plenty of revisionist literature for you to read on the web
if you want to go into it in great detail.
I don't have exact figures but anyone in this area is speculating
including me - I admit it.

Question -
if you were Truman would you have slept soundly in your bed
after ordering those 2 nuclear attacks?


Yes.



That's not very Christian of you Brian.
Would Jesus have ordered those attacks?
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