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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #30 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 12:24pm:

Truman didn't have to drop those 2 bombs.
Japan was already defeated -
the Yanks didn't need to invade Japan and lose more American lives.
That was a clever piece of propaganda that the world swallowed.

The dropping of the 2 atomic bombs was a disgrace to the world
and showed the criminal threat that we have all lived under ever since.

This is August the 6th - Hiroshima day - a day of shame.

A great day - Hooray for the Bombing of the Japanese.

Yes he did have to drop those bombs - watch this video and try to learn something.

The Japanese did not surrender because of the Bomb anyway - the Bomb was for Stalin - The Japanese surrendered because of the Soviets - That Bomb kept the peace and kept the Commie USSR at bay.

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #31 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 12:25pm:

What makes you think that Bobby?

Japan was already defeated.

Most of their cities were reduced to piles of smoking rubble
by conventional bombing including their capital - Tokyo.
The Yanks could have surrounded Japan and cut it off from
all trade until they surrendered.
Sure - it might have taken another 6 months or so.

The USSR was ready to invade in 10 days - they called it off because of the Bombs.

The Japanese surrendered because of the Soviets not because of the Bombs.

That Bomb kept the peace and kept the Commie USSR at bay.

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #32 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:42pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:36pm:

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It was matter of 6 months to a year perhaps.

Are you just making it up as you go along?

How many lives would one more year of war have cost? Above 40 to 50 million died in WWII in total.

Hi FD,
there is plenty of revisionist literature for you to read on the web
if you want to go into it in great detail.
I don't have exact figures but anyone in this area is speculating
including me - I admit it.

Question -
if you were Truman would you have slept soundly in your bed
after ordering those 2 nuclear attacks?

Yes.

That's not very Christian of you Brian.
Would Jesus have ordered those attacks?

That wasn't the question, Bobby. Jesus wasn't the el Presidente in 1945. Truman was. Roll Eyes

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #33 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 1:14pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 1:08pm:

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Japan was cut off - not a drop of oil or bag of food could reach them -
so it was working.

How do you know?

The Jap navy was sunk.
They were making synthetic fuel out of trees to run a few aeroplanes they had left
for Kamikaze missions with pilots who had only a few hours of training.
It was pathetic.

You do not know what you are talking about

That Bomb kept the peace and kept the Commie USSR at bay.

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #34 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:02pm

Boris wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 12:24pm:

Truman didn't have to drop those 2 bombs.
Japan was already defeated -
the Yanks didn't need to invade Japan and lose more American lives.
That was a clever piece of propaganda that the world swallowed.

The dropping of the 2 atomic bombs was a disgrace to the world
and showed the criminal threat that we have all lived under ever since.

This is August the 6th - Hiroshima day - a day of shame.

A great day - Hooray for the Bombing of the Japanese.

Yes he did have to drop those bombs - watch this video and try to learn something.

The Japanese did not surrender because of the Bomb anyway - the Bomb was for Stalin - The Japanese surrendered because of the Soviets - That Bomb kept the peace and kept the Commie USSR at bay.

I agree that the nukes were dropped as a message for Stalin and
had little to do with an already defeated Japan.

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #35 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:04pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:22pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 1:14pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 1:08pm:

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Japan was cut off - not a drop of oil or bag of food could reach them -
so it was working.

How do you know?

The Jap navy was sunk.
They were making synthetic fuel out of trees to run a few aeroplanes they had left
for Kamikaze missions with pilots who had only a few hours of training.
It was pathetic.

It was enough that the Allies estimated it would cost the lives of 1.5 million soldiers to defeat them. Not exactly pathetic.

1.5 million?

Only if Japan was invaded.
Japan is an island nation that was devastated by war -
they would have had to eventually come to peace terms.
It was matter of 6 months to a year perhaps.

I think Truman nuked them more as a lesson for Stalin
in case he had ideas of overrunning western Europe.

Millions would have been killed 1 million Americans half a million British - and millions of Japanese

Try and learn something

That Bomb kept the peace and kept the Commie USSR at bay.

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #36 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:42pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:36pm:

Quote:

It was matter of 6 months to a year perhaps.

Are you just making it up as you go along?

How many lives would one more year of war have cost? Above 40 to 50 million died in WWII in total.

Hi FD,
there is plenty of revisionist literature for you to read on the web
if you want to go into it in great detail.
I don't have exact figures but anyone in this area is speculating
including me - I admit it.

Question -
if you were Truman would you have slept soundly in your bed
after ordering those 2 nuclear attacks?

Yes.

That's not very Christian of you Brian.
Would Jesus have ordered those attacks?

That wasn't the question, Bobby. Jesus wasn't the el Presidente in 1945. Truman was. Roll Eyes

Truman had to die one day with that on his conscience.

I wonder what he will say to Saint Peter at the gates of heaven?
"please let me in? "

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #37 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:02pm:

Boris wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 12:24pm:

Truman didn't have to drop those 2 bombs.
Japan was already defeated -
the Yanks didn't need to invade Japan and lose more American lives.
That was a clever piece of propaganda that the world swallowed.

The dropping of the 2 atomic bombs was a disgrace to the world
and showed the criminal threat that we have all lived under ever since.

This is August the 6th - Hiroshima day - a day of shame.

A great day - Hooray for the Bombing of the Japanese.

Yes he did have to drop those bombs - watch this video and try to learn something.

The Japanese did not surrender because of the Bomb anyway - the Bomb was for Stalin - The Japanese surrendered because of the Soviets - That Bomb kept the peace and kept the Commie USSR at bay.

I agree that the nukes were dropped as a message for Stalin and
had little to do with an already defeated Japan.

You live in a dream world

Millions would have died if there was an invasion

So millions were saved

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #38 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:22pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 1:14pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 1:08pm:

Quote:

Japan was cut off - not a drop of oil or bag of food could reach them -
so it was working.

How do you know?

The Jap navy was sunk.
They were making synthetic fuel out of trees to run a few aeroplanes they had left
for Kamikaze missions with pilots who had only a few hours of training.
It was pathetic.

It was enough that the Allies estimated it would cost the lives of 1.5 million soldiers to defeat them. Not exactly pathetic.

1.5 million?

Only if Japan was invaded.
Japan is an island nation that was devastated by war -
they would have had to eventually come to peace terms.
It was matter of 6 months to a year perhaps.

I think Truman nuked them more as a lesson for Stalin
in case he had ideas of overrunning western Europe.

You know nothing

The Soviets were ready to invade in 10 days after Manchuria - all the Japanese forces were in the South ready to fight the US troops but the Soviets were going to invade the North with was wide open.
During the Soviet-Japanese War in August 1945, the Soviet Union made plans to invade Hokkaido, the northernmost of Japan's four main Home Islands.
The invasion was cancelled on August 22, two days before their scheduled start, and Soviet forces concentrated on taking the Kuril Islands instead.

The Japanese surrendered to the Americans because they were afraid of the Soviets raping their women and the Japanese treasure their DNA - there were Japanese in Berlin when Germany fell and knew millions of German women were raped and impregnated - they they could not tolerate - so for the survival of the Japanese people they surrendered to the USA

The Bombs shocked Stalin so he cancelled the invasion

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #39 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:18pm

Boris wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:02pm:

Boris wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 12:24pm:

Truman didn't have to drop those 2 bombs.
Japan was already defeated -
the Yanks didn't need to invade Japan and lose more American lives.
That was a clever piece of propaganda that the world swallowed.

The dropping of the 2 atomic bombs was a disgrace to the world
and showed the criminal threat that we have all lived under ever since.

This is August the 6th - Hiroshima day - a day of shame.

A great day - Hooray for the Bombing of the Japanese.

Yes he did have to drop those bombs - watch this video and try to learn something.

The Japanese did not surrender because of the Bomb anyway - the Bomb was for Stalin - The Japanese surrendered because of the Soviets - That Bomb kept the peace and kept the Commie USSR at bay.

I agree that the nukes were dropped as a message for Stalin and
had little to do with an already defeated Japan.

You live in a dream world

Millions would have died if there was an invasion

So millions were saved

What invasion?

Japan was already defeated.
the Yanks didn't need to invade Japan and lose more American lives.
That was a clever piece of propaganda that the world swallowed.

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #40 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:21pm

Boris wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:22pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 1:14pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 1:08pm:

Quote:

Japan was cut off - not a drop of oil or bag of food could reach them -
so it was working.

How do you know?

The Jap navy was sunk.
They were making synthetic fuel out of trees to run a few aeroplanes they had left
for Kamikaze missions with pilots who had only a few hours of training.
It was pathetic.

It was enough that the Allies estimated it would cost the lives of 1.5 million soldiers to defeat them. Not exactly pathetic.

1.5 million?

Only if Japan was invaded.
Japan is an island nation that was devastated by war -
they would have had to eventually come to peace terms.
It was matter of 6 months to a year perhaps.

I think Truman nuked them more as a lesson for Stalin
in case he had ideas of overrunning western Europe.

You know nothing

The Soviets were ready to invade in 10 days after Manchuria - all the Japanese forces were in the South ready to fight the US troops but the Soviets were going to invade the North with was wide open.
During the Soviet-Japanese War in August 1945, the Soviet Union made plans to invade Hokkaido, the northernmost of Japan's four main Home Islands.
The invasion was cancelled on August 22, two days before their scheduled start, and Soviet forces concentrated on taking the Kuril Islands instead.

The Japanese surrendered to the Americans because they were afraid of the Soviets raping their women and the Japanese treasure their DNA - there were Japanese in Berlin when Germany fell and knew millions of German women were raped and impregnated - they they could not tolerate - so for the survival of the Japanese people they surrendered to the USA

The Bombs shocked Stalin so he cancelled the invasion

Fact check:

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the twisted-ladder structure of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA),
by James Watson and Francis Crick marked a milestone
in the history of science and gave rise to modern molecular biology,

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #41 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:29pm

Millions for German women and girls were raped and impregnated

Japanese officers saw all that and reported it to the Big Six

They knew the Soviets would soon invade in the North so they surrendered to the US

To save their women from Russian rapists and mixed raced children

Not because of any Bomb Atomic or otherwise

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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #42 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:18pm:

Boris wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:02pm:

Boris wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 9:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 12:24pm:

Truman didn't have to drop those 2 bombs.
Japan was already defeated -
the Yanks didn't need to invade Japan and lose more American lives.
That was a clever piece of propaganda that the world swallowed.

The dropping of the 2 atomic bombs was a disgrace to the world
and showed the criminal threat that we have all lived under ever since.

This is August the 6th - Hiroshima day - a day of shame.

A great day - Hooray for the Bombing of the Japanese.

Yes he did have to drop those bombs - watch this video and try to learn something.

The Japanese did not surrender because of the Bomb anyway - the Bomb was for Stalin - The Japanese surrendered because of the Soviets - That Bomb kept the peace and kept the Commie USSR at bay.

I agree that the nukes were dropped as a message for Stalin and
had little to do with an already defeated Japan.

You live in a dream world

Millions would have died if there was an invasion

So millions were saved

What invasion?

Japan was already defeated.
the Yanks didn't need to invade Japan and lose more American lives.
That was a clever piece of propaganda that the world swallowed.

The USSR was going to Invade in the North

The US and British were going to invade in the South

Millions would have died

Watch this you ignorant fool

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103037 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima Reply #43 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:37pm Boris wrote on Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:31pm: The USSR was going to Invade in the North The US and British were going to invade in the South Millions would have died Watch this you ignorant fool I already watched it and commented - you fool. I'm a WW2 historian compared to you.
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Re: 77 years ago Atomic bombing of Hiroshima
Reply #44 - Aug 7^th, 2022 at 10:41pm

You can't handle the truth

You know nothing

The Soviets were ready to invade in 10 days after Manchuria - all the Japanese forces were in the South ready to fight the US troops but the Soviets were going to invade the North which was wide open.
During the Soviet-Japanese War in August 1945, the Soviet Union made plans to invade Hokkaido, the northernmost of Japan's four main Home Islands.
The invasion was cancelled on August 22, two days before their scheduled start, and Soviet forces concentrated on taking the Kuril Islands instead.

The Japanese surrendered to the Americans because they were afraid of the Soviets raping their women and the Japanese treasure their genes - there were Japanese in Berlin when Germany fell and knew millions of German women were raped and impregnated - they they could not tolerate - so for the survival of the Japanese people they surrendered to the USA

The Bombs shocked Stalin so he cancelled the invasion

Operation Downfall was the proposed Allied plan for the invasion of the Japanese home islands near the end of World War II. The planned operation was cancelled when Japan surrendered following the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Soviet declaration of war, and the invasion of Manchuria.

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