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a referendum we actually need
Aug 10^th, 2022 at 12:44pm

If we are going ahead with the referendum, they should take the opportunity to close the constitutional loophole that allows whatever party gets control of the senate after a double dissolution election to grant themselves extra seats.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84995 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #1 - Aug 10^th, 2022 at 4:09pm Hear, hear ..... Of course, when mutual benefit is available, bi-partisan support is endless....
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #2 - Aug 10^th, 2022 at 4:22pm Please contact your local rep and senators and put the suggestion to them: Quote: https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Guidelines_for_Contacting_Senators_and_Members
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21843 A cat with a view	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #3 - Aug 10^th, 2022 at 4:24pm OP...... Electoral/parliamentary reform in Australia ? Dracula.....blood bank. 'Tell him he's dreaming!' . A bureaucrat is said to oppose any change, except that which increases his own power. - ???
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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #4 - Aug 11^th, 2022 at 8:49pm

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 12:44pm:

If we are going ahead with the referendum, they should take the opportunity to close the constitutional loophole that allows whatever party gets control of the senate after a double dissolution election to grant themselves extra seats.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/electoral-reform/broken-promises-stolen-senate-seats.h...

https://www.ozpolitic.com/electoral-reform/electoral-fraud-bipartisan-support-se...

Leeetle bit obscure and... er... peripheral.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #5 - Aug 11^th, 2022 at 8:53pm It changes the election outcome.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47207 Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #6 - Aug 11^th, 2022 at 9:02pm freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2022 at 8:53pm: It changes the election outcome. Meh... Not really.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21843 A cat with a view	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #7 - Aug 11^th, 2022 at 9:09pm An example of the type of political reform in Australia which i would like to see.... If any Federal government can't balance its [our] budget, then retired politicians [at that time] will only be entitled to the [exact] same pension payments as other Australians. p.s. 'Tell him he's dreaming!'
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #8 - Aug 11^th, 2022 at 9:16pm Frank wrote on Aug 11^th, 2022 at 9:02pm: freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2022 at 8:53pm: It changes the election outcome. Meh... Not really. It changes the number of seats held by different groups. It can change the balance of power in the Senate, and what legislation is able to be passed.
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Reply #9 - Aug 11^th, 2022 at 9:22pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2022 at 9:09pm:

If any Federal government can't balance its [our] budget, then retired politicians [at that time] will only be entitled to the [exact] same pension payments as other Australians.

i.e.
In those circumstances, retired politicians should be entitled to [the calculation of the] super contributions which they themselves have paid in.

But not entitled to the top-up super contributions which were paid in by their employer, i.e. contributions from the taxpayer.

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Reply #10 - Aug 11^th, 2022 at 10:50pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2022 at 9:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2022 at 9:09pm:

If any Federal government can't balance its [our] budget, then retired politicians [at that time] will only be entitled to the [exact] same pension payments as other Australians.

i.e.
In those circumstances, retired politicians should be entitled to [the calculation of the] super contributions which they themselves have paid in.

But not entitled to the top-up super contributions which were paid in by their employer, i.e. contributions from the taxpayer.

Yes - put 'em on the same as everyone else... I worked for the CPS and it was dollar for dollar.... going through recruitment right now, at age 73, to save their arses again when the spoiler hits the fan in Europe and the Asia Pacific Basin and they're gonna need all the help they can get ...... as looks likely... this time I expect a bit of tit-for-tat for saving their arses as I've done all my life....

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Reply #11 - Aug 11^th, 2022 at 10:51pm

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2022 at 9:16pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 11^th, 2022 at 9:02pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2022 at 8:53pm:

It changes the election outcome.

Meh...

Not really.

It changes the number of seats held by different groups. It can change the balance of power in the Senate, and what legislation is able to be passed.

Yes - and so wrong..... on all fronts...

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Reply #12 - Aug 15^th, 2022 at 6:26pm

The ALP and UAP were the only parties to get back to me on this. The UAP seemed interested.

The ALP did their best to insist it was too late to add any other questions to the referendum (BS, they are basically back to the drawing board on "the voice"), but kept saying it might happen in the future if more work is done. In particular, they seem to think more consultation is needed, even though it has been written into (non-binding) legislation already and both major parties have repeatedly made public commitments to it.

All the details are already sorted out and agreed with pretty much unanimous support. The ALP just wants to be able to take advantage of the current situation to steal more senate seats.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #13 - Aug 30^th, 2022 at 6:46am Just got another feeble excuse from Labor - they do not need to fix this problem because one day they will make Australia a republic. Not sure what they plan to do with the Senate if we do become a republic, or when they plan to make it happen. Still no response from the other parties.
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Reply #14 - Aug 30^th, 2022 at 8:22am

freediver wrote on Aug 15^th, 2022 at 6:26pm:

The ALP and UAP were the only parties to get back to me on this. The UAP seemed interested.

The ALP did their best to insist it was too late to add any other questions to the referendum (BS, they are basically back to the drawing board on "the voice"), but kept saying it might happen in the future if more work is done. In particular, they seem to think more consultation is needed, even though it has been written into (non-binding) legislation already and both major parties have repeatedly made public commitments to it.

All the details are already sorted out and agreed with pretty much unanimous support. The ALP just wants to be able to take advantage of the current situation to steal more senate seats.

I'd take any interest from Palmers UAP with a grain of salt.

Palmer & Craig Kelly? Grin

Pair of self serving clowns.

UAP didn't win any seats in the lower house last election.

UAP candidate Ralph Babet picked up Victoria’s sixth Senate seat – thanks to preferences from the LNP.

That's all Palmer got for his obscene campaign spending of $100 million.

UAP leader Craig Kelly lost his seat of Hughes, and Palmer failed in his bid for a Queensland Senate seat. Grin

1 Senator - why would you waste the effort sending them any correspondence?

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