Australian Politics Forum - a referendum we actually need

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #120 - Sep 10^th, 2022 at 9:47pm It is meaningless gibberish. Why would I try to refute what you say? You would have to actually say something first.
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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4057 Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #121 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 8:40am Here is a question for the Referendum: How do you feel about a people who rape murder and eat children?
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Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13673 Colorado Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #122 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 8:43am Grow a pair, Australia. Legalize weed.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49065 Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #123 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 8:45am *sprays Marla with Round-Up
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Reply #124 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 11:38am

This 'black gap' is irrelevant to a referendum to alter the constitution to create a separate body for one group = racism, especially when there are already countless bodies that do exactly that.

You have already agreed that any 'voice' would not help any of those problems.

You need to separate your emotion from reality and consider the referendum idea in isolation on its merits - not on some hankey-waving tear jerking idea of somehow elevating the cheers.

Stick to the referendum and stop muddying the waters with stories of how badly done Jackie-Jackie is out there with his aluminium boat and fishing gear and his dole money.... where he CHOOSES to be... at your expense.

Sandy beaches - drinking rum every night.....

They're acknowledged as having been here first in the long ago past - now get 'em out to work... or they can WISP all their lives. It's 2022, not 1787 and they are a small minority.

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Reply #125 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 4:25pm

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 9:47pm:

It is meaningless gibberish. Why would I try to refute what you say? You would have to actually say something first.

Your contention I haven't said anything is false.

I'll take #104 slowly for you, one line at a time:

"The point is blacks need a 'consensus voice' to advise parliament, so long as the gap exists".

You can't refute it?

I see Grapps has had a go, lets see what he has to say..

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #126 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 4:27pm So whether Australian political parties can cater for you depends on the colour of your skin. Is this the "fact" you are asking me to refute?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #127 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 4:28pm Why did you edit out of your post the bit about the political parties not catering to people of certain skin colours? You almost said something, but then you got scared of your own words. You're not exactly the bravest little pink, are you?
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Reply #128 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 4:42pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 11:38am:

This 'black gap' is irrelevant to a referendum to alter the constitution to create a separate body for one group = racism, especially when there are already countless bodies that do exactly that.

Obviously the countless bodies are failing to close the black gap which is why we need to try somethibg else (in short, bring back CDEP-type programs). But the point is we are talking about a BLACK gap, so of course the voice will be race based.

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You have already agreed that any 'voice' would not help any of those problems.

Yes, but on further reflection I have modified my stance; the search for a consensus voice among blacks themselves might be useful for getting blacks to face aspects of the problem they are not facing at present.

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You need to separate your emotion from reality and consider the referendum idea in isolation on its merits - not on some hankey-waving tear jerking idea of somehow elevating the cheers.

I think if it's made clear the black - consensus - voice will have an advisory role only, you can indeed separate emotion and reality. (The lack of black consensus itself will be informative...)

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When there is no race-based gap.....

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Reply #129 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 5:07pm

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 4:27pm:

So whether Australian political parties can cater for you depends on the colour of your skin. Is this the "fact" you are asking me to refute?

Yes. Obviously Oz political parties are failing to eradicate the (black) gap.

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Why did you edit out of your post the bit about the political parties not catering to people of certain skin colours?

Because you apparently cannot cope with more than one idea at a time....the 2nd point being:

"whereas non-blacks are catered for by centre Left and centre Right parties who fight it out over disadvantage within the non-black community".

Interestingly, there is also a gap - between rich and poor - in the non-black community, but the political parties DO address ('fight it out') this issue, meaning the political contest is NOT race-based , cf the black gap which IS race based; eg non blacks have a ten-year longer life span than blacks...aka 'the gap'.

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Why did you edit out of your post the bit about the political parties not catering to people of certain skin colours?

Explained above, your capacity to consider more than one idea at a time is obviously severely challenged.

So after I took it one line at a time, lo and behold you have joined the debate...

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You almost said something, but then you got scared of your own words. You're not exactly the bravest little pink, are you?

Addressed ...and refuted above.

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Reply #130 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:54pm

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 4:28pm:

Why did you edit out of your post the bit about the political parties not catering to people of certain skin colours?

You almost said something, but then you got scared of your own words. You're not exactly the bravest little pink, are you?

Like I said, trolling shills end nearly every post with a ?.

Count em.

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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #131 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 6:55pm freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 4:27pm: So whether Australian political parties can cater for you depends on the colour of your skin. Is this the "fact" you are asking me to refute?
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Reply #132 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 8:36pm

Why would that be?

Please Explain?

Why is it 'troll schills' who end with a question?

What makes you think that?

Is it not more likely and most likely that they raise questions so as to make you think about the subject matter?

Is this not instead a way of your getting out from under the terrible burden of actually answering to the issue?

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Reply #133 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 8:50pm

In 2015–2017, life expectancy at birth was 71.6 years for Indigenous males
and 75.6 years for Indigenous females. In comparison, the non-Indigenous
life expectancy at birth was 80.2 years for males and 83.4 years for females.
This is a gap of 8.6 years for males and 7.8 years for females.

Life expectancy is an overarching target, which is dependent not only on health,
but the social determinants (such as education, employment status, housing
and income). Social determinants are estimated to be responsible for at least
34% of the health gap between Indigenous and non‑Indigenous Australians.
Behavioural risk factors, such as smoking, obesity, alcohol use and diet,
accounted for around 19% of that gap.

Over the period 2006 to 2018, there was an improvement of almost 10% in
Indigenous age‑standardised mortality rates. However, non‑Indigenous mortality
rates improved at a similar rate, so the gap has not narrowed.

—Australian Health Ministers' Advisory Council (AHMAC), Closing The Gap Report 2020.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49065 Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #134 - Sep 11^th, 2022 at 9:01pm They lived for 40,000 to 100,000+ years. Europeans have only been alive for just 6,000 years.
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