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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #135 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:47am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 8:36pm:

Why would that be?

Please Explain?

Why is it 'troll schills' who end with a question?

What makes you think that?

Is it not more likely and most likely that they raise questions so as to make you think about the subject matter?

Is this not instead a way of your getting out from under the terrible burden of actually answering to the issue?

Random doesn't like questions. He likes memes. They require less thought.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #136 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:43am

Jasin wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 9:01pm:

They lived for 40,000 to 100,000+ years.
Europeans have only been alive for just 6,000 years.

Rubbish .... everyone here is the descendant of millions of years of evolution.... grow a life .... it's good for you.

Aborigines were never a contiguous group, so Europeans far outweigh them when it comes to the (gasps) Identity Stakes.....

"Hi - I'm a Ngunnawalla!"

"What's that mean?"

"The six of us down by the creek..... we're organising a resistance - you wanna come down and listen in? Women can't come - men's business, you know."

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #137 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:52am

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 8:50pm:

In 2015–2017, life expectancy at birth was 71.6 years for Indigenous males
and 75.6 years for Indigenous females. In comparison, the non-Indigenous
life expectancy at birth was 80.2 years for males and 83.4 years for females.
This is a gap of 8.6 years for males and 7.8 years for females.

Life expectancy is an overarching target, which is dependent not only on health,
but the social determinants (such as education, employment status, housing
and income). Social determinants are estimated to be responsible for at least
34% of the health gap between Indigenous and non‑Indigenous Australians.
Behavioural risk factors, such as smoking, obesity, alcohol use and diet,
accounted for around 19% of that gap.

Over the period 2006 to 2018, there was an improvement of almost 10% in
Indigenous age‑standardised mortality rates. However, non‑Indigenous mortality
rates improved at a similar rate, so the gap has not narrowed.

—Australian Health Ministers' Advisory Council (AHMAC), Closing The Gap Report 2020.

No gap at all - you get what your genes and your lifestyle give you.

How is their infant mortality rate and their woman murder rate compared to the rest? We Wharteys have got a long way to catch up in both of those.

Being as how Indigenous men are less likely to die in prison than in their own communities, it appears the lifestyle and the food suit them better in prison.... maybe the great divide has a point about extreme government imposition amounting to Intervention™ and a New Invasion™ ... and maybe a few more New Stolen Generations™.

Slip 'em all into that Great Gulag up Cape York, provided by the Queenslund Government in its stupidity and cupidity... force 'em to a healthy lifestyle and into not killing one another ....no booze, no drugs, no petrol to sniff, no fast food.... just remove all the risk factors and force 'em into training and jobs ... and problem solved!!

Well, well - it irritates me to the core to see 'governments' paying dick-heads hundreds of thousands a year to come up with these utterly stupid comments without offering any genuine solutions - when the solutions are right there for the asking of the general public... you could ask the average person in a pub how to resolve many of these issues - but a government minister or a 'chief health officer' is only good for mumbling what sounds like meaningful words at huge expense.

What to you do with a chief health officer who stuffs up the Corona Princess and lets Covid loose on the land?

Give 'em a medal..... FFS....

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #138 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:54am

freediver wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:47am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 8:36pm:

Why would that be?

Please Explain?

Why is it 'troll schills' who end with a question?

What makes you think that?

Is it not more likely and most likely that they raise questions so as to make you think about the subject matter?

Is this not instead a way of your getting out from under the terrible burden of actually answering to the issue?

Random doesn't like questions. He likes memes. They require less thought.

I was waiting for someone to note that I'd ended every sentence with a ? ..... Grin

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #139 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:56am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:43am:

Jasin wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 9:01pm:

They lived for 40,000 to 100,000+ years.
Europeans have only been alive for just 6,000 years.

Rubbish .... everyone here is the descendant of millions of years of evolution.... grow a life .... it's good for you.

Aborigines were never a contiguous group, so Europeans far outweigh them when it comes to the (gasps) Identity Stakes.....

"Hi - I'm a Ngunnawalla!"

"What's that mean?"

"The six of us down by the creek..... we're organising a resistance - you wanna come down and listen in? Women can't come - men's business, you know."

You whiteys inherited 'permanency' in Europe only 6,000 years ago after the last ice age.
From that - you whiteys are just a 'recent' offshoot from 'caucasoid' Middle-Easterner Brownies, Black 'caucasoid' Aryan Indians and even the Abos have Caucasoid in them.
All far older than Whiteys.

Yep - there was a world for 100,000 years of Sapien history, where there was NO WHITEYS AT ALL. Grin

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #140 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:08am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 8:36pm:

Why would that be?

Please Explain?

Why is it 'troll schills' who end with a question?

What makes you think that?

Is it not more likely and most likely that they raise questions so as to make you think about the subject matter?

Is this not instead a way of your getting out from under the terrible burden of actually answering to the issue?

Not in fraudiver's case..

Now you both need to acknowledge the usefulness of a consensus, black, race-based voice to advise parliament, while the black gap exists.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #142 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:21am

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 10:39am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 9:50am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 9:07am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 8:49am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 8:32am:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2022 at 9:55pm:

Both ideas seem to have the same problem - lack of detail. And both ideas lack detail because no-one likes what they see, if they ever get to see it.

see how conservatives fuss about the letter of the law;

a voice is just that, an advice from black communities to Parliament - which may or may not be taken; and removal of the UK monarch as head of state in Oz. (The issue of electing an Oz head of state is minor, though people think their "freedom" is at stake)

Phark me hooray - they already have a voice & the mechanisms to be heard in Parliament ...

No they have c 15 separate voices (according to you) in Parliament, displaying the usual L-R divide.

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that's what 15 plus elected Aboriginal MPs and Senators are there for.......

how does this continually escape you?

Addressed above. A consensus voice as opposed to the 15 separate voices currently in Parliament.

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They do not need a duplication or a non elected voice directly to PARLIAMENT.

The voice would represent a 'black party' (though without actually existing as a party in parliament), as the ALP represents the voice of the Oz centre left, for exmple.

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It's a nonsense.

Refuted above.

Your refutation isn't worth squat.

Does everyone else get a consensus voice?

The point is blacks need a 'consensus voice' to advise parliament, so long as the gap exists; whereas non-blacks are catered for, by centre Left and centre Right parties who fight it out over disadvantage within the non-black community.

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Or does the plethora of separate voices above the Aboriginal 15 ..... all they have to make do with? Roll Eyes

What you say is a discriminatory race based notion.... and not workable.

Addressed above; as long as a black 'gap' exists, we ARE dealing with a "race-based notion".

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It's nothing more than symbolic appeasement based on race.

Refuted above - if no black gap existed, there would be no need for a voice, symbolic or not.

The fictitious gender pay gap .... now you're pedalling a "black gap" as a reason for the duplication of representation to Parliament.

everything you're barrowing here is race based bullshyte.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #143 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:22am

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 10:43am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 9:58am:

'dividie' doesn't 'refute' anything - he simply offers a rhetorical different opinion - that is not refuting - it is merely offering an opinion.

A few here make that mistake, some deliberately, since they are both uneducated and essentially childish in their approach to life and discussion.

Their 'refutation' is like that Monty Python sketch...

"No it's not..."

refuted in #104. The BLACK gap is real, not opinion.

Rubbish ... is what it is.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #145 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:49am

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:08am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 11^th, 2022 at 8:36pm:

Why would that be?

Please Explain?

Why is it 'troll schills' who end with a question?

What makes you think that?

Is it not more likely and most likely that they raise questions so as to make you think about the subject matter?

Is this not instead a way of your getting out from under the terrible burden of actually answering to the issue?

Not in fraudiver's case..

Now you both need to acknowledge the usefulness of a consensus, black, race-based voice to advise parliament, while the black gap exists.

No way, Jose` - they already have more representation than they need - what they need is the willingness to get out of 'living their way' or go that way exclusively without us, and take their chances.

I 'need' to acknowledge no such thing... is it a racist, Apartheidist lie from start to finish and has no beneficial outcomes ...

I'd like to see the one time in my life, as a 'White' - that I've been catered to.... FFS...

This country needs to stop right now in its tracks and get itself back on the rails....and the first step, as I told Albo pre-election - is to get away from the politics of division and the policies of exclusion.... clearly Albo is incapable of listening... I cannot reason with this man ....

You cannot, by definition, include one small group by excluding the majority.

Get over it.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #146 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 11:00am

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:21am: