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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #165 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:06pm

When nations, cultures and races place importance upon 'youth' - it generates a faster breeding practice of mass production population growth.
If you can't over-power your enemies, then just out-breed them.

These nations, cultures and races could be said to have "Not grown up" so to speak. Just breed without the responsibility to take responsibility. They become resentful of wealthier nations with better quality of life and they seek to sponge 'easy' of such neighbours. Etc, etc. You all know the score.

Peterson is right in "Growing Up" - but the most 'adult' male character possible is the one that has never experience sex and gives himself totally to the greater good of the people and thus inherits or creates a Position of Power and Privilege for his sacrifice.

So its a double edged sword.
Being a Man isn't just a universal standard - there is at least x8 variations of being a Man.
With advantages and disadvantages for each.

Another Black or White clip of absolutism. Roll Eyes

Peterson is smart, but he's just replicating what's already known. Nothing really new.

Here's just x4 types of Males which are BETA's (ie: they serve the Alpha Females).
Gays
Yobbos
Wankers
Rednecks

These four could easily sum up the x4 Middle-Eastern Religions of
Zarathustrianism
Judaism
Christianity
Mohommedism

Grow Up?
Well there is also x8 Regions of the World and Dear Peterson: Which way should Men grow up as?

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #166 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:06pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

Peterson's very first stupidity:

journo: " women earn less than men"

peterson: "no they dont"

journo: "The pay gap is 9 percent less on average"

peterson:Yes but there are multiple reasons for that..."

So he agreed there IS a pay gap..... contradicting his earlier statement....

That's not even close to the transcript.

Read it before you put words in his mouth.

https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/psychology/jordan-petersons-channel-4-interview-ca...

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #167 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:51pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 1:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 11:49am:

Kat wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 11:13am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

The fictitious gender pay gap

.... now you're pedalling a "black gap" as a reason for the duplication of representation to Parliament.

everything you're barrowing here is race based bullshyte.

Well, no. It's anything but 'fictitious'.

It's not universal, by any means - I've worked with women in some of my jobs and we've
received the same wage for the same work.

But it DOES exist in some fields - mostly 'professional', for some reason.

The feminized nature of the low-paid caring professions (child care, health and age care) is also a factor in '"the gender pay gap" (ie men on average earn more than women).

That's an oversimplified generality.

Men on average earn more than women?

Doing what?

Trades like building/electrical etc etc, more highly paid than carers in age care etc.

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All you are trying to do is compare apples to rockmelons.

Refuted above.

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A man doing the same job would be paid the same.

Correct....but women on average do different work to men.

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You're like this journo - who had rings run around her with logic, composure & professionalism.

Oh no..the awful Jordan Peterson, I'd make a fool of him in 10 minutes or less.

There's your answer right there.

And regardless of gender tradesmen & trades women, who do a 4 year apprenticeship and are proficient in their trade are always going to earn more than someone unskilled working in Aged Care or an Assistant in Childcare.

My sister in law was an Early Childhood teacher at Govt & private Kindies & Preps. She also had 2 children during her career.

She was always well paid & before she retired was head of a large Early Childhood unit in Toowoomba.

She had a generous salary & a large super when she finished.

The Gender Pay gap is a furphy & so is your racist "black Gap".

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #168 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:55pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 1:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 11:49am:

Kat wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 11:13am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

The fictitious gender pay gap

.... now you're pedalling a "black gap" as a reason for the duplication of representation to Parliament.

everything you're barrowing here is race based bullshyte.

Well, no. It's anything but 'fictitious'.

It's not universal, by any means - I've worked with women in some of my jobs and we've
received the same wage for the same work.

But it DOES exist in some fields - mostly 'professional', for some reason.

The feminized nature of the low-paid caring professions (child care, health and age care) is also a factor in '"the gender pay gap" (ie men on average earn more than women).

That's an oversimplified generality.

Men on average earn more than women?

Doing what?

Trades like building/electrical etc etc, more highly paid than carers in age care etc.

Quote:

All you are trying to do is compare apples to rockmelons.

Refuted above.

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A man doing the same job would be paid the same.

Correct....but women on average do different work to men.

Quote:

You're like this journo - who had rings run around her with logic, composure & professionalism.

Oh no..the awful Jordan Peterson, I'd make a fool of him in 10 minutes or less.

In your deluded lefty dreams. Roll Eyes

He'd eat you for breakfast

You wouldn't make a 5 min smoko let alone 10.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #169 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:58pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:51pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 1:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 11:49am:

Kat wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 11:13am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

The fictitious gender pay gap

.... now you're pedalling a "black gap" as a reason for the duplication of representation to Parliament.

everything you're barrowing here is race based bullshyte.

Well, no. It's anything but 'fictitious'.

It's not universal, by any means - I've worked with women in some of my jobs and we've
received the same wage for the same work.

But it DOES exist in some fields - mostly 'professional', for some reason.

The feminized nature of the low-paid caring professions (child care, health and age care) is also a factor in '"the gender pay gap" (ie men on average earn more than women).

That's an oversimplified generality.

Men on average earn more than women?

Doing what?

Trades like building/electrical etc etc, more highly paid than carers in age care etc.

Quote:

All you are trying to do is compare apples to rockmelons.

Refuted above.

Quote:

A man doing the same job would be paid the same.

Correct....but women on average do different work to men.

Quote:

You're like this journo - who had rings run around her with logic, composure & professionalism.

Oh no..the awful Jordan Peterson, I'd make a fool of him in 10 minutes or less.

There's your answer right there.

And regardless of gender tradesmen & trades women, who do a 4 year apprenticeship and are proficient in their trade are always going to earn more than someone unskilled working in Aged Care or an Assistant in Childcare.

My sister in law was an Early Childhood teacher at Govt & private Kindies & Preps. She also had 2 children during her career.

She was always well paid & before she retired was head of a large Early Childhood unit in Toowoomba.

She had a generous salary & a large super when she finished.

The Gender Pay gap is a furphy & so is your racist "black Gap".

Yet even the obnoxious Peterson admits in the link you shared and claimed to have watched, that the pay gap is a real thing. He just claims that it is multifaceted.

In true Peterson style, he thinks he's being cleverer than everyone else when he says this ... the fact is of course that feminists have been saying the exact same thing for generations.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #170 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:00pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

Peterson's very first stupidity:

journo: " women earn less than men"

peterson: "no they dont"

journo: "The pay gap is 9 percent less on average"

peterson:Yes but there are multiple reasons for that..."

So he agreed there IS a pay gap..... contradicting his earlier statement....

That's not even close to the transcript.

Read it before you put words in his mouth.

https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/psychology/jordan-petersons-channel-4-interview-ca...

Really?

Newman: But that’s not true, is it? That 9 percent pay gap, that’s a gap between median hourly earnings between men and women. That exists.

Peterson: Yes. But there’s multiple reasons for that. One of them is gender, but that’s not the only reason.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #171 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:01pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

Peterson's very first stupidity:

journo: " women earn less than men"

peterson: "no they dont"

journo: "The pay gap is 9 percent less on average"

peterson:Yes but there are multiple reasons for that..."

So he agreed there IS a pay gap..... contradicting his earlier statement....

Admittedly, we can see the female journo is oblivious to the disadvantages of bearing children, vis a vis full time careers, but Peterson is also confused by "multi varied analysis which shows the pay gap doesn't exist", when 50 % of the population - by gender - are earning 9% less on average.

You' a stupid as the female journo ... you don't listen.

He didn't contradict himself & he explained his point .... which was reasons for why women may earn less but they don't get paid less.

It was like her harping on about equality & he having to ask whether she meant equality of outcome which he explained was not a good or fair outcome.

It's like you thinking that women in aged care or child care should get paid as much as electricians, plumbers, builders etc.

Its a pharken nonsense.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #172 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:03pm

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

Peterson's very first stupidity:

journo: " women earn less than men"

peterson: "no they dont"

journo: "The pay gap is 9 percent less on average"

peterson:Yes but there are multiple reasons for that..."

So he agreed there IS a pay gap..... contradicting his earlier statement....

That's not even close to the transcript.

Read it before you put words in his mouth.

https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/psychology/jordan-petersons-channel-4-interview-ca...

Really?

Newman: But that’s not true, is it? That 9 percent pay gap, that’s a gap between median hourly earnings between men and women. That exists.

Peterson: Yes. But there’s multiple reasons for that. One of them is gender, but that’s not the only reason.

So you want to list all the other reasons there's a difference in earnings?

Seems like TGD you don't listen either.

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Reply #173 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:09pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:03pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

Peterson's very first stupidity:

journo: " women earn less than men"

peterson: "no they dont"

journo: "The pay gap is 9 percent less on average"

peterson:Yes but there are multiple reasons for that..."

So he agreed there IS a pay gap..... contradicting his earlier statement....

That's not even close to the transcript.

Read it before you put words in his mouth.

https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/psychology/jordan-petersons-channel-4-interview-ca...

Really?

Newman: But that’s not true, is it? That 9 percent pay gap, that’s a gap between median hourly earnings between men and women. That exists.

Peterson: Yes. But there’s multiple reasons for that. One of them is gender, but that’s not the only reason.

So you want to list all the other reasons there's a difference in earnings?

Seems like TGD you don't listen either.

No i didn't listen. Peterson irritates me immensely. I read the transcript. The interviewer was an idiot, agreed.

But Peterson said nothing the feminists he derides haven't been saying for generations. He just writes it off as excuses whereas feminists are advocating for change for equality.

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Reply #174 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:14pm

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:58pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:51pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 1:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 11:49am:

Kat wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 11:13am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

The fictitious gender pay gap

.... now you're pedalling a "black gap" as a reason for the duplication of representation to Parliament.

everything you're barrowing here is race based bullshyte.

Well, no. It's anything but 'fictitious'.

It's not universal, by any means - I've worked with women in some of my jobs and we've
received the same wage for the same work.

But it DOES exist in some fields - mostly 'professional', for some reason.

The feminized nature of the low-paid caring professions (child care, health and age care) is also a factor in '"the gender pay gap" (ie men on average earn more than women).

That's an oversimplified generality.

Men on average earn more than women?

Doing what?

Trades like building/electrical etc etc, more highly paid than carers in age care etc.

Quote:

All you are trying to do is compare apples to rockmelons.

Refuted above.

Quote:

A man doing the same job would be paid the same.

Correct....but women on average do different work to men.

Quote:

You're like this journo - who had rings run around her with logic, composure & professionalism.

Oh no..the awful Jordan Peterson, I'd make a fool of him in 10 minutes or less.

There's your answer right there.

And regardless of gender tradesmen & trades women, who do a 4 year apprenticeship and are proficient in their trade are always going to earn more than someone unskilled working in Aged Care or an Assistant in Childcare.

My sister in law was an Early Childhood teacher at Govt & private Kindies & Preps. She also had 2 children during her career.

She was always well paid & before she retired was head of a large Early Childhood unit in Toowoomba.

She had a generous salary & a large super when she finished.

The Gender Pay gap is a furphy & so is your racist "black Gap".

Yet even the obnoxious Peterson admits in the link you shared and claimed to have watched, that the pay gap is a real thing. He just claims that it is multifaceted.

In true Peterson style, he thinks he's being cleverer than everyone else when he says this ... the fact is of course that feminists have been saying the exact same thing for generations.

His calm & considered style is what annoys leftist ideologues like you & lefty journalists like Newman.

You want him to be angry & abusive so play the oppressive white male patriarchy card.

Yes your lefty feminists were parroting the same mantra & Petersen explained to Newman that they were wrong just as she was ...... and you are.

Like he said, he chooses his words very very carefully .....

And he has people like you for breakfast on a regular basis.

That interview had to be the worst Newman has ever done and I bet she looks back on that & cringes.

Ahhhhhhhh gotcha! He certainly did ..... and she admitted it.

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Reply #176 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:20pm

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:09pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:03pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

Peterson's very first stupidity:

journo: " women earn less than men"

peterson: "no they dont"

journo: "The pay gap is 9 percent less on average"

peterson:Yes but there are multiple reasons for that..."

So he agreed there IS a pay gap..... contradicting his earlier statement....

That's not even close to the transcript.

Read it before you put words in his mouth.

https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/psychology/jordan-petersons-channel-4-interview-ca...

Really?

Newman: But that’s not true, is it? That 9 percent pay gap, that’s a gap between median hourly earnings between men and women. That exists.

Peterson: Yes. But there’s multiple reasons for that. One of them is gender, but that’s not the only reason.

So you want to list all the other reasons there's a difference in earnings?

Seems like TGD you don't listen either.

No i didn't listen. Peterson irritates me immensely. I read the transcript. The interviewer was an idiot, agreed.

But Peterson said nothing the feminists he derides haven't been saying for generations. He just writes it off as excuses whereas feminists are advocating for change for equality.

As he said - define equality - or are you talking about "equality of outcome?".

And he explained why that was no good.

If you're so intelligent you shouldn't need it explained that it's no good either.

I know he irritates you immensely .... it's because he's smarter than you & better at discussing & explaining a contrary view of issues that you parrot like decades of radical feminist dogma.

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Reply #178 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:25pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:20pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:09pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:03pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

Peterson's very first stupidity:

journo: " women earn less than men"

peterson: "no they dont"

journo: "The pay gap is 9 percent less on average"

peterson:Yes but there are multiple reasons for that..."

So he agreed there IS a pay gap..... contradicting his earlier statement....

That's not even close to the transcript.

Read it before you put words in his mouth.

https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/psychology/jordan-petersons-channel-4-interview-ca...

Really?

Newman: But that’s not true, is it? That 9 percent pay gap, that’s a gap between median hourly earnings between men and women. That exists.

Peterson: Yes. But there’s multiple reasons for that. One of them is gender, but that’s not the only reason.

So you want to list all the other reasons there's a difference in earnings?

Seems like TGD you don't listen either.

No i didn't listen. Peterson irritates me immensely. I read the transcript. The interviewer was an idiot, agreed.

But Peterson said nothing the feminists he derides haven't been saying for generations. He just writes it off as excuses whereas feminists are advocating for change for equality.

As he said - define equality - or are you talking about "equality of outcome?".

And he explained why that was no good.

If you're so intelligent you shouldn't need it explained that it's no good either.

I know he irritates you immensely .... it's because he's smarter than you & better at discussing & explaining a contrary view of issues that you parrot like decades of radical feminist dogma.

I mean equality of worth. Can you get your head around that one?

And nobody thinks Peterson is as clever as he thinks he is. It's usually half-wits bamboozled by his word salads that are impressed by him. Anyone with any sense can see quite clearly that he's not actually saying anything at all most of th time and when he does, it's usually someone else's work.

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Reply #179 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:53pm

"So you're saying..." Cheesy

Cathy Newman - and all activist journalists, etc - always want to drag everyone into the orbit of their own terms. She is relentlessly angling for the 'gotcha' and Petersen, having worked at universities all his adult life, sees through this pathetic ruse and refuses to accept Newman's constant paraphrasing of his words in her own terms.
He does explain his position very clearly - male/female differences in pay, life choices, etc are multi-variant equations and questions. She doesn't and only assumes that equality of outcome is an unchallengeable starting point in such a discussion. It evidently isn't but her mind is befogged by the ideology and she doesn't have the intelligence and candour to perceive that multi-variant aspect of this and most other such questions.

It is quite amusing to watch.

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