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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #195 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:01pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 8:58pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 8:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 8:41pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 8:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 8:34pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 8:23pm:

Nobody made the juvenile claim that "men cause it" ... other than the morons on this forum.

Newman: So it seems to a lot of women that they're still being dominated and excluded, to quote your words back to you. [which Peterson never said]

And that translates to you as "men cause it" does it?

Defensive much? Were Peterson a psychologist worthy of even a fraction of his self-opinion, he's immediately diagnose that as defensiveness.

I don't know what it is about you lot on here. Obsessed with "blame" and "guilt". I keep telling you that's not going to get us anywhere.

What Newman was (mis)quoting back to Peterson was what he'd written in '12 Rules for Life' -

Let me put it quite to you from the book where you say “there are whole disciplines in universities forthrightly hostile towards men. These are the areas of study dominated by the postmodern stroke neo-Marxist claim the Western culture in particular is an oppressive structure created by white men to dominate and exclude women.”

Do you see how she abused the context of Peterson's written words?

More deflection to run away from the fact you're cornered.

I am not defending that interviewer. I've said twice now she was poor.

But if you don't think that this world has been set up by men, for men and we are still in the processes of dismantling that, then you've not been paying attention to any part of history.

Furthermore, Peterson himself refers to women's tendency to be "agreeable". Do you think this nurture or nature? Think about it.

See? Multi-faceted. Not Peterson's original work.

Both TGD and you have attempted to demonstrate that Peterson contradicted himself. He didn't.

I'm sure most women understand that the issue is multi-faceted, Newman, at least in this interview didn't want to there; she wanted to flatten the rugged geography of the point to a plain with one hill (which she ended up dying on) - that there is a pay gap (via domination and exclusion - which she misattributed to Peterson) and men cause it.

Of course he contradicted himself! I posted the direct quote!

First he said there was no gender pay gap ... then he went on to detail factors that cause the pay gap.

You can't make this stuff up.

And, you utter hysteric, absolutely nobody said "men cause it".

Simply sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating falsehoods doesn't make you right. It just makes you look as churlish and self-congratulatory as Peterson.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #196 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:12pm

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:01pm:

Of course he contradicted himself! I posted the direct quote!

First he said there was no gender pay gap ... then he went on to detail factors that cause the pay gap.

You can't make this stuff up.

And, you utter hysteric, absolutely nobody said "men cause it".

Simply sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating falsehoods doesn't make you right. It just makes you look as churlish and self-congratulatory as Peterson.

No. You quoted him out of context, as TGD did.

I quoted Peterson in context.

Newman not only added that men cause the pay gap via domination and exclusion, she also abused Peterson's quote from his book by claiming he'd said it.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #197 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:15pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:12pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:01pm:

Of course he contradicted himself! I posted the direct quote!

First he said there was no gender pay gap ... then he went on to detail factors that cause the pay gap.

You can't make this stuff up.

And, you utter hysteric, absolutely nobody said "men cause it".

Simply sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating falsehoods doesn't make you right. It just makes you look as churlish and self-congratulatory as Peterson.

No. You quoted him out of context, as TGD did.

I quoted Peterson in context.

Newman not only added that men cause the pay gap via domination and exclusion, she also abused Peterson's quote from his book by claiming he'd said it.

No i didn't I quoted explaining that the wage gap was multi-faceted just after he said there was no wage gap.

Look, you can't just keep pretending he didn't do that.

Hang on, of course you can. Look where we are.

And she never said "men cause the pay gap". You are simply paraphrasing her and doing so hysterically. I know she was poo but she wasn't that bad.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #198 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:21pm

Well there is no 'gender pay gap' - there are differences between sectors in levels of income, and with the proviso that everyone works the same hours - which is demonstrably not the case - the figures come out slightly in favour of women overall.

But we all know that by now....

What does need to be addressed is the fallacies by which this non-issue continues to be pushed for political advantage, and how to put an end to such nonsenses that derive from it as 'affirmative action' by any name.

Time to declare equality and just get on with it - not continue to make life harder for everyone, with some constantly thinking they are being short-changed and this causing problems in their work and home life, and others be quite deliberately cut out of genuine equal opportunity as a result...

NEITHER of these will deliver a willing and performing workforce, but rather a divided one that simply functions all over the place instead of as a well-oiled machine.

That might advantage employers and conservatives by permitting them to deal with a divided workforce, but it does not genuinely enhance a nation overall, and that advantaging will only make things worse again.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #199 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:22pm

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:12pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:01pm:

Of course he contradicted himself! I posted the direct quote!

First he said there was no gender pay gap ... then he went on to detail factors that cause the pay gap.

You can't make this stuff up.

And, you utter hysteric, absolutely nobody said "men cause it".

Simply sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating falsehoods doesn't make you right. It just makes you look as churlish and self-congratulatory as Peterson.

No. You quoted him out of context, as TGD did.

I quoted Peterson in context.

Newman not only added that men cause the pay gap via domination and exclusion, she also abused Peterson's quote from his book by claiming he'd said it.

No i didn't I quoted explaining that the wage gap was multi-faceted just after he said there was no wage gap.

Look, you can't just keep pretending he didn't do that.

Hang on, of course you can. Look where we are.

And she never said "men cause the pay gap". You are simply paraphrasing her and doing so hysterically. I know she was poo but she wasn't that bad.

Newman: So it seems to a lot of women that they still being dominated and excluded, to quote your words back to you.

Prior to having referred to women being 'dominated and excluded' in the context of white men doing it.

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Reply #200 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:25pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:22pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:12pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:01pm:

Of course he contradicted himself! I posted the direct quote!

First he said there was no gender pay gap ... then he went on to detail factors that cause the pay gap.

You can't make this stuff up.

And, you utter hysteric, absolutely nobody said "men cause it".

Simply sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating falsehoods doesn't make you right. It just makes you look as churlish and self-congratulatory as Peterson.

No. You quoted him out of context, as TGD did.

I quoted Peterson in context.

Newman not only added that men cause the pay gap via domination and exclusion, she also abused Peterson's quote from his book by claiming he'd said it.

No i didn't I quoted explaining that the wage gap was multi-faceted just after he said there was no wage gap.

Look, you can't just keep pretending he didn't do that.

Hang on, of course you can. Look where we are.

And she never said "men cause the pay gap". You are simply paraphrasing her and doing so hysterically. I know she was poo but she wasn't that bad.

Newman: So it seems to a lot of women that they still being dominated and excluded, to quote your words back to you.

Prior to having referred to women being 'dominated and excluded' in the context of white men doing it.

So yes, you were paraphrasing.

And to make it worse, now you've said she's claimed it's white men doing it!

This is ridiculous. Seriously, what's the point?

Even among the semi-literate on here, you're hard up to get an open and honest debate.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #201 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:31pm

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:22pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:12pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:01pm:

Of course he contradicted himself! I posted the direct quote!

First he said there was no gender pay gap ... then he went on to detail factors that cause the pay gap.

You can't make this stuff up.

And, you utter hysteric, absolutely nobody said "men cause it".

Simply sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating falsehoods doesn't make you right. It just makes you look as churlish and self-congratulatory as Peterson.

No. You quoted him out of context, as TGD did.

I quoted Peterson in context.

Newman not only added that men cause the pay gap via domination and exclusion, she also abused Peterson's quote from his book by claiming he'd said it.

No i didn't I quoted explaining that the wage gap was multi-faceted just after he said there was no wage gap.

Look, you can't just keep pretending he didn't do that.

Hang on, of course you can. Look where we are.

And she never said "men cause the pay gap". You are simply paraphrasing her and doing so hysterically. I know she was poo but she wasn't that bad.

Newman: So it seems to a lot of women that they still being dominated and excluded, to quote your words back to you.

Prior to having referred to women being 'dominated and excluded' in the context of white men doing it.

So yes, you were paraphrasing.

And to make it worse, now you've said she's claimed it's white men doing it!

This is ridiculous. Seriously, what's the point?

Even among the semi-literate on here, you're hard up to get an open and honest debate.

Newman was attributing the pay gap to white men dominating and excluding women, and abusing Peterson's quote from his book to do it.

Speaking of a point, why would Newman add 'to quote your words back to you' to her point?

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Reply #202 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:35pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:31pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:22pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:12pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:01pm:

Of course he contradicted himself! I posted the direct quote!

First he said there was no gender pay gap ... then he went on to detail factors that cause the pay gap.

You can't make this stuff up.

And, you utter hysteric, absolutely nobody said "men cause it".

Simply sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating falsehoods doesn't make you right. It just makes you look as churlish and self-congratulatory as Peterson.

No. You quoted him out of context, as TGD did.

I quoted Peterson in context.

Newman not only added that men cause the pay gap via domination and exclusion, she also abused Peterson's quote from his book by claiming he'd said it.

No i didn't I quoted explaining that the wage gap was multi-faceted just after he said there was no wage gap.

Look, you can't just keep pretending he didn't do that.

Hang on, of course you can. Look where we are.

And she never said "men cause the pay gap". You are simply paraphrasing her and doing so hysterically. I know she was poo but she wasn't that bad.

Newman: So it seems to a lot of women that they still being dominated and excluded, to quote your words back to you.

Prior to having referred to women being 'dominated and excluded' in the context of white men doing it.

So yes, you were paraphrasing.

And to make it worse, now you've said she's claimed it's white men doing it!

This is ridiculous. Seriously, what's the point?

Even among the semi-literate on here, you're hard up to get an open and honest debate.

Newman was attributing the pay gap to white men dominating and excluding women, and abusing Peterson's quote from his book to do it.

Speaking of a point, why would Newman add 'to quote your words back to you' to her point?

So yes. You paraphrased.

And i'm not interested in debating her performance. I have repeatedly said she gave a poor interview. But if you want your question answered, perhaps you can examine your own motives? After all, you keep doing precisely what you are accusing her of having done.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #203 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:39pm

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:35pm:

So yes. You paraphrased.

And i'm not interested in debating her performance. I have repeatedly said she gave a poor interview. But if you want your question answered, perhaps you can examine your own motives? After all, you keep doing precisely what you are accusing her of having done.

So she put it to Peterson that it was his words, not hers.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #204 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:43pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:39pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:35pm:

So yes. You paraphrased.

And i'm not interested in debating her performance. I have repeatedly said she gave a poor interview. But if you want your question answered, perhaps you can examine your own motives? After all, you keep doing precisely what you are accusing her of having done.

So she put it to Peterson that it was his words, not hers.

As you are putting it to me that the words you have ascribed to her are her words, not yours.

Oh this is ridiculous.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #205 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:48pm

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:39pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:35pm:

So yes. You paraphrased.

And i'm not interested in debating her performance. I have repeatedly said she gave a poor interview. But if you want your question answered, perhaps you can examine your own motives? After all, you keep doing precisely what you are accusing her of having done.

So she put it to Peterson that it was his words, not hers.

As you are putting it to me that the words you have ascribed to her are her words, not yours.

Oh this is ridiculous.

You can read the transcript.

Newman: So it seems to a lot of women that they still being dominated and excluded, to quote your words back to you.

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mothra Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 35530 Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #209 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:02pm Frank wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:57pm: What IS your point, addressing anyone? Read back. Or not. I don't care.
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