Australian Politics Forum - a referendum we actually need

Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47464 Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #210 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:02pm Do you have a point, Mothra? Can you articulate it? Or is the request too patriarchal oppressive white male rationalistic colonialistic oppressive awful white male insensitive racist racist racist?
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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #211 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:09pm

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:02pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:57pm:

What IS your point, addressing anyone?

Read back. Or not. I don't care.

You are posting shite and you don't care.

Never mind the pay gap - there is a massive intellectual gap. Do you have any strategies for catching up and closing your gap of your intellectual disadvantage? The Great Decolletage might have a government subsidised job for you.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35522 Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #212 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:13pm I've made many points, Frank. I'm not listing them for you because you're too lazy to read back and naturally assume you have some sort of authority over me. Get bent.
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Reply #213 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:29pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 7:31pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:06pm:

These four could easily sum up the x4 Middle-Eastern Religions of
Zarathustrianism
Judaism
Christianity
Mohommedism

Did you mean

Zoroastrianism
Judaism
Christianity
Islam

Zoroastrianism is the Greek word for the original Zarathustrianism.

Islam is a State, just like Israel.
Mohommedism and Judaism are the Religion

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Reply #214 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:49pm

Jasin wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 7:31pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:06pm:

These four could easily sum up the x4 Middle-Eastern Religions of
Zarathustrianism
Judaism
Christianity
Mohommedism

Did you mean

Zoroastrianism
Judaism
Christianity
Islam

Zoroastrianism is the Greek word for the original Zarathustrianism.

Islam is a State, just like Israel.
Mohommedism and Judaism are the Religion

No. The term Mohammedanism is offensive to Mulims as they do not worship Mohammed as Christians worship Christ - they honour him as a prophet, not a god. Islam means submission (to God) in Arabic. It is not a state.

Zarathustrianism was coined by the German Hermann Lommel.

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Reply #215 - Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:50pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:49pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 10:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 7:31pm:

Jasin wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:06pm:

These four could easily sum up the x4 Middle-Eastern Religions of
Zarathustrianism
Judaism
Christianity
Mohommedism

Did you mean

Zoroastrianism
Judaism
Christianity
Islam

Zoroastrianism is the Greek word for the original Zarathustrianism.

Islam is a State, just like Israel.
Mohommedism and Judaism are the Religion

No. The term Mohammedanism is offensive to Mulims as they do not worship Mohammed as Christians worship Christ - they honour him as a prophet, not a god. Islam means submission (to God) in Arabic. It is not a state.

Zarathustrianism was coined by the German Hermann Lommel.

Interesting. I'll look into it.
Am not afraid to be wrong in pursuit of truth, etc.
Cheers.

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Boris Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 4067 Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #216 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 12:09am Zoroastrianism Judaism Christianity Islam The Persian word for Zoroastrianism is Zartosht All these religions are Zoroastrianism - Paradise is an Avestan word and Monotheism is Zoroastrianism - Heaven Hell, Angels Demons - all Zoroaster the name is the same but the fundamental beliefs are Zoroastrian
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49354 At my desk.	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #217 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 6:35am Quote: It is not a state. According to Muslims, it naturally is. That is why Muslims start pushing for a religious state as soon as they are in a position to do so. Muhammad was a political leader, just as much as a religious one, and his movement is just as political as it is religious.
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Reply #218 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 7:55am

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:25pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:20pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:09pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:03pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

Peterson's very first stupidity:

journo: " women earn less than men"

peterson: "no they dont"

journo: "The pay gap is 9 percent less on average"

peterson:Yes but there are multiple reasons for that..."

So he agreed there IS a pay gap..... contradicting his earlier statement....

That's not even close to the transcript.

Read it before you put words in his mouth.

https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/psychology/jordan-petersons-channel-4-interview-ca...

Really?

Newman: But that’s not true, is it? That 9 percent pay gap, that’s a gap between median hourly earnings between men and women. That exists.

Peterson: Yes. But there’s multiple reasons for that. One of them is gender, but that’s not the only reason.

So you want to list all the other reasons there's a difference in earnings?

Seems like TGD you don't listen either.

No i didn't listen. Peterson irritates me immensely. I read the transcript. The interviewer was an idiot, agreed.

But Peterson said nothing the feminists he derides haven't been saying for generations. He just writes it off as excuses whereas feminists are advocating for change for equality.

As he said - define equality - or are you talking about "equality of outcome?".

And he explained why that was no good.

If you're so intelligent you shouldn't need it explained that it's no good either.

I know he irritates you immensely .... it's because he's smarter than you & better at discussing & explaining a contrary view of issues that you parrot like decades of radical feminist dogma.

I mean equality of worth. Can you get your head around that one?

And nobody thinks Peterson is as clever as he thinks he is. It's usually half-wits bamboozled by his word salads that are impressed by him. Anyone with any sense can see quite clearly that he's not actually saying anything at all most of th time and when he does, it's usually someone else's work.

Got a link to back that claim?

As a scholar/clinical psychologist would he not have studied other peoples work?

Of course you're the only one with sense Grin

Word salads?..... you're fairly handy with those.

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Reply #219 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 8:13am

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 6:35am:

Quote:

It is not a state.

According to Muslims, it naturally is. That is why Muslims start pushing for a religious state as soon as they are in a position to do so. Muhammad was a political leader, just as much as a religious one, and his movement is just as political as it is religious.

You are referring to an Islamic state (a religious state), not a state called Islam.

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Reply #220 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 8:35am

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 8:23pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 7:57pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 7:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 7:37pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 5:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

Peterson's very first stupidity:

journo: " women earn less than men"

peterson: "no they dont"

journo: "The pay gap is 9 percent less on average"

peterson:Yes but there are multiple reasons for that..."

So he agreed there IS a pay gap..... contradicting his earlier statement....

That's not even close to the transcript.

Read it before you put words in his mouth.

https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/psychology/jordan-petersons-channel-4-interview-ca...

Really?

Newman: But that’s not true, is it? That 9 percent pay gap, that’s a gap between median hourly earnings between men and women. That exists.

Peterson: Yes. But there’s multiple reasons for that. One of them is gender, but that’s not the only reason.

Once more, in context, this time

Newman: So it seems to a lot of women that they still being dominated and excluded, to quote your words back to you.

Peterson: It does seem that way. But multivariate analysis of the pay gap indicate that it doesn’t exist.

Newman: But that’s not true, is it? That 9 percent pay gap, that’s a gap between median hourly earnings between men and women. That exists.

Peterson: Yes. But there’s multiple reasons for that. One of them is gender, but that’s not the only reason. If you’re a social scientist worth your salt, you never do a univariate analysis. You say women in aggregate are paid less than men. Okay. Well then we break its down by age; we break it down by occupation; we break it down by interest; we break it down by personality.

You mean the context in which he is pushed to contradict himself?

I thought i'd spare you all the humiliation of pointing that out.

No. The context of pay gap had been shifted by Newman from not only - there being a pay gap - to there being a pay gap and men cause it, all else being equal.

I made no mention of Newman, other than to say she conducted that interview very poorly. You're shifting the goal posts.

I was talking about Peterson who both claims the pay gap is non-existent then goes on to explain why it is so, ergo, he contradicts himself

Ergo, in context, he addressed Newman's pay gap (extended version) - there being a pay gap and men cause it, all else being equal.

Nobody made the juvenile claim that "men cause it" ... other than the morons on this forum.

Why must everything be reduced to such inflammatory and counterproductive slogans that nobody ever actually said?

But to that point, even Peterson admits that part of it is purely about gender and prejudice.

I think you'll find, as would Peterson if he got his head out of his own arse long enough, that feminists have been saying for generations that the pay gap is multifaceted. Peterson is, in inimical form, just claiming other people's ideas as his own.

Newman did.. that was her whole premise of the interview.

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Reply #221 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 8:53am

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 8:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 8:34pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 8:23pm:

Nobody made the juvenile claim that "men cause it" ... other than the morons on this forum.

Newman: So it seems to a lot of women that they're still being dominated and excluded, to quote your words back to you. [which Peterson never said]

And that translates to you as "men cause it" does it?

Defensive much? Were Peterson a psychologist worthy of even a fraction of his self-opinion, he's immediately diagnose that as defensiveness.

I don't know what it is about you lot on here. Obsessed with "blame" and "guilt". I keep telling you that's not going to get us anywhere.

Newman was certainly the one doing the blaming

& constantly trying to the discussion back on Petersen by inferring he said this or that - which in every case he hadn't said .... because she was not listening - just hell bent on her own agenda

time after time when he answered her questions she trotted out the "so what you're saying" .... ad infinitum trying to twist everything he said to suit her narrative.

Hypothetical-(youtuber quote)

Quote:

Petersen: "I love the rain".

Newman: “So what you’re saying is you hate the sun and you want everyone to suffer from lack of Vitamin D?”

You're fairly adept at twisting & making assumptions in espousing your looney leftist ideals.

Oh & not forgetting patting yourself on the back about being intelligent & the only one with any sense. Roll Eyes

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Reply #222 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 9:00am

Context.

Newman: So it seems to a lot of women that they're still being dominated and excluded, to quote your words back to you.

Newman has raised the issue of the pay gap earlier. She now claims that women are still being dominated and excluded [did she mean caused by men? What else could she mean - by other women, climate change?]. Newman also suggests that Peterson said as much in one of his books - which he didn't.

Peterson: It does seem that way. But multivariate analysis of the pay gap indicate that it doesn’t exist.

Note that Peterson acknowledges the pay gap, but is now answering Newman's augmented statement about it which includes, what Newman believes, is the reason for it - that men dominate and exclude women.

Newman: But that’s not true, is it? That 9 percent pay gap, that’s a gap between median hourly earnings between men and women. That exists.

Now Newman returns to the pay gap alone, having established that she believes there is a pay gap and men cause it.

Peterson: Yes. But there’s multiple reasons for that. One of them is gender, but that’s not the only reason.

Peterson is responding to Newman's claim - that there is a pay gap and men cause it.

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Reply #223 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 9:02am

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:12pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 9:01pm:

Of course he contradicted himself! I posted the direct quote!

First he said there was no gender pay gap ... then he went on to detail factors that cause the pay gap.

You can't make this stuff up.

And, you utter hysteric, absolutely nobody said "men cause it".

Simply sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating falsehoods doesn't make you right. It just makes you look as churlish and self-congratulatory as Peterson.

No. You quoted him out of context, as TGD did.

I quoted Peterson in context.

Newman not only added that men cause the pay gap via domination and exclusion, she also abused Peterson's quote from his book by claiming he'd said it.

No i didn't I quoted explaining that the wage gap was multi-faceted just after he said there was no wage gap.

Look, you can't just keep pretending he didn't do that.

Hang on, of course you can. Look where we are.

And she never said "men cause the pay gap". You are simply paraphrasing her and doing so hysterically. I know she was poo but she wasn't that bad.

He actually said the reasons for a perceived pay gap - like you & Newman parrot was multifaceted.

He also said that studies had shown that multivariant analysis, taking all things into account, that the gender pay gap doesn't really exist.

Or did you not hear that?

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Reply #224 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 9:19am

Men per hour actually worked earn less than women per hour actually worked.... those are the fig-yures, Major Kong...

I'm on the road today - I'll re-work them a little for the innumerate late... try again to get across their deep-seated ideological idiosyncrasies and approach reality for them.

Per actual hour worked men are paid on average less than women. Eat it.

Where's lefty? The shock of my suggesting that it being the case, by his admission, that some women where he works are paid less than him, and that the government, according to his ideological stance, should therefore march in and compel the boss to pay those women the same as he is paid seems to have caused an explosion in his magazine akin to HMS Hood...

Poor fellow - always was a little too high-strung...

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