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Reply #255 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 1:29pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 1:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 12:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 12:45pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 12:08pm:

You forgot TGD's, 'a disgrace to God and the creation.';

War IS a disgrace to God and the creation, not undestood by "man .. an imbecile earthworm; depository of truth, yet a sewer of uncertainty and error; pride and refuse of the universe" (Pascal)

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Now selling on ebay for 50 bucks as part of the 'Marxists say the Darnedest Things' series.

"from each according to abilty, to each according to need " ... need, which is NOT 'equality of outcome' as asserted by conservative frauds. .

Yes. I guess a CCP official needs a Lamborghini. A Chinese peasant in a rural village needs an ox and cart.

a comment to be expected from a "freedom" war monger ", and survival of the fittest " sewer of error" ...

In the CCP should it be a struggle between survival of the most entitled and survival of the politically fittest (i.e. in brutality and the capacity to drink high-proof alcohol)?

I'm looking forward to the bloodbath that will directly follow the collapse of the CCP as they eat each other while attempting to extricate themselves from the rubble.

Now you have turned into frauddiver; to be expected from the "sewer of the universe".

"From each according to ability, to each according to need" is not bound by corrupt politicians' behaviour, it's a goal for economic relations between individuals. .

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #258 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 1:41pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 1:29pm:

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In the CCP should it be a struggle between survival of the most entitled and survival of the politically fittest (i.e. in brutality and the capacity to drink high-proof alcohol)?

I'm looking forward to the bloodbath that will directly follow the collapse of the CCP as they eat each other while attempting to extricate themselves from the rubble.

Now you have turned into frauddiver; to be expected from the "sewer of the universe".

"From each according to ability, to each according to need" is not bound by corrupt politicians' behaviour, it's a goal for economic relations between individuals. .

Ah, a "sewer of the universe". Yes, where rural Chinese people are forced to live - sewers of the universe pretty well describes it.

And without the ability or capacity for brutal Machiavellianism to climb the CCP's political ladder, a Chinese citizen has little to no chance of climbing out of that sewer.

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Reply #259 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 2:37pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 11:08am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:14pm:

His calm & considered style is what annoys leftist ideologues like you & lefty journalists like Newman.

I was exasperated by Peterson's woolly thinking before the quoted exchange:

Newman: "there is a crisis of masculinity? what do you do about it?"

Perterson: you tell ...you help people to understand why it's necessary to grow up..to get their act together (ok, in his psychiatrist mode) "it's more like a delineation of destiny that makes life worth living.

(Apart from the waffle) note: "you need to tell ...to help people" ....so much for the rugged individual who has to make his own success....

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You want him to be angry & abusive so play the oppressive white male patriarchy card.

No I want him to show some understanding of the human condition with its conflict between unconscious instinct and conscious thought.

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Yes your lefty feminists were parroting the same mantra & Petersen explained to Newman that they were wrong just as she was ...... and you are.

As Mothra noted, feminsts have been saying the same thing as peterson for ages; Peterson just likes to cloud the issue. Fact is women must bear and suckle children
(...which might offend some extreme feminists...), which therefor must interfere with career opportunities on average.

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Like he said, he chooses his words very very carefully .....

and struggles to put a sensible argument , as outlined above : "tell... help...." (men how to live full lives)

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And he has people like you for breakfast on a regular basis.

Pass.I haven't met him.

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That interview had to be the worst Newman has ever done and I bet she looks back on that & cringes.

Addressed above: he has me cringing.

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Ahhhhhhhh gotcha! He certainly did ..... and she admitted it.

Care to detail your point? I stopped listening at: "Yes the gender pay gap exists, but..."
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So you're as stupid as Newman?

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Reply #260 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 2:42pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 11:35am:

Frank wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:53pm:

(Peterson) does explain his position very clearly - male/female differences in pay, life choices, etc are multi-variant equations and questions.

Clear as mud. Why not just say women have to bear and suckle children, and society's assistance might be necessary in a world where many women are single mothers, and women increasingly want to have independent lifestyles.

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She doesn't and only assumes that equality of outcome is an unchallengeable starting point in such a discussion.

'Equality of outcome' is a RW ruse, which the Right confuse with 'equality of opportunity". to avoid establishment of above-poverty participation by all.
Newson herself probably doesn't understand the implications of this in regard to women's economic outcomes in society

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It evidently isn't but her mind is befogged by the ideology and she doesn't have the intelligence and candour to perceive that multi-variant aspect of this and most other such questions.

The Right's understanding of "equality of outcome" is a shibboleth, a ruse as noted above.

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It is quite amusing to watch.

I would say excruciating....

Women have equal opportunity & have for ages.

In fact they now have more than equal opportunity & you know it. Preferential job selection & quota levels.

All you are prattling are dated victimhood excuses.

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Reply #261 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 2:46pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 12:30pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 11:59am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 11:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 11:16am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 11:08am:

I stopped listening at: "Yes the gender pay gap exists, but..."

Stopped listening, eh! And you think you can take on Peterson!

Petereson: "Men...need to be told...men need help..."

Yes, I can take on Peterson.

Common prosperity, one-party state and government knows best, print mo' money, jobs for all, refuted above, that not debate, 50 years ago is ancient history, freedom is horrible, Marxism is wonderful....ZZZzzzz......

Yes I would demolish Peterson in minutes, just as Meister can't confront Cicero's paradox; "for all to be free, all must submit to rule of law.

Peterson of course seems blissfully unaware of the effect of unconscious instinct on conscious thought, in humans - egregious, given his background in psychiatry.

Horseshyte.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #262 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 4:43pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 1:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 1:29pm:

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In the CCP should it be a struggle between survival of the most entitled and survival of the politically fittest (i.e. in brutality and the capacity to drink high-proof alcohol)?

I'm looking forward to the bloodbath that will directly follow the collapse of the CCP as they eat each other while attempting to extricate themselves from the rubble.

Now you have turned into frauddiver; to be expected from the "sewer of the universe".

"From each according to ability, to each according to need" is not bound by corrupt politicians' behaviour, it's a goal for economic relations between individuals. .

Ah, a "sewer of the universe". Yes, where rural Chinese people are forced to live - sewers of the universe pretty well describes it.

And without the ability or capacity for brutal Machiavellianism to climb the CCP's political ladder, a Chinese citizen has little to no chance of climbing out of that sewer.

No. Pascal is referring to YOU ...ouch; you blind "freedom" war-monger, and survival of the fittest free-marketeer.

Blind and fraudulent - "a sewer of error, and refuse of the universe".

Case closed.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #263 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 4:46pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 2:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 11:35am:

Frank wrote on Sep 12^th, 2022 at 6:53pm:

(Peterson) does explain his position very clearly - male/female differences in pay, life choices, etc are multi-variant equations and questions.

Clear as mud. Why not just say women have to bear and suckle children, and society's assistance might be necessary in a world where many women are single mothers, and women increasingly want to have independent lifestyles.

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She doesn't and only assumes that equality of outcome is an unchallengeable starting point in such a discussion.

'Equality of outcome' is a RW ruse, which the Right confuse with 'equality of opportunity". to avoid establishment of above-poverty participation by all.
Newson herself probably doesn't understand the implications of this in regard to women's economic outcomes in society

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It evidently isn't but her mind is befogged by the ideology and she doesn't have the intelligence and candour to perceive that multi-variant aspect of this and most other such questions.

The Right's understanding of "equality of outcome" is a shibboleth, a ruse as noted above.

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It is quite amusing to watch.

I would say excruciating....

Women have equal opportunity & have for ages.

Nonsense. It's impossible, if you have to bear and suckle babies.

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In fact they now have more than equal opportunity & you know it. Preferential job selection & quota levels.

All you are prattling are dated victimhood excuses.

refuted above.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #264 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 4:51pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 2:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 12:30pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 11:59am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 11:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 11:16am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 11:08am:

I stopped listening at: "Yes the gender pay gap exists, but..."

Stopped listening, eh! And you think you can take on Peterson!

Petereson: "Men...need to be told...men need help..."

Yes, I can take on Peterson.

Common prosperity, one-party state and government knows best, print mo' money, jobs for all, refuted above, that not debate, 50 years ago is ancient history, freedom is horrible, Marxism is wonderful....ZZZzzzz......

Yes I would demolish Peterson in minutes, just as Meister can't confront Cicero's paradox; "for all to be free, all must submit to rule of law.

Peterson of course seems blissfully unaware of the effect of unconscious instinct on conscious thought, in humans - egregious, given his background in psychiatry.

Horseshyte.

er..that's not debate....feel free to refute Cicero, Meister is studiously avoiding the paradox.

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Reply #265 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 4:56pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 1:06pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 12:37pm:

the pay gap exists but is not due solely or even mainly to gender,

(note: edited format corrections in previous post)

"Not due solely", implying gender is ONE factor..

.which in part, by definition is
the gender pay gap (because women must bear and suckle babies ...and it exists...

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so it is not a 'gender pay gap'.

Of course it is, regardless of co-existing non-gender causes of the gap; ever heard of logic?

Why single out gender if other causes - far more influential - also exist? Ever heard of propaganda?

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Reply #266 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 5:26pm

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 4:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 1:06pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 12:37pm:

the pay gap exists but is not due solely or even mainly to gender,

(note: edited format corrections in previous post)

"Not due solely", implying gender is ONE factor..

.which in part, by definition is
the gender pay gap (because women must bear and suckle babies ...and it exists...

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so it is not a 'gender pay gap'.

Of course it is, regardless of co-existing non-gender causes of the gap; ever heard of logic?

Why single out gender if other causes - far more influential - also exist? Ever heard of propaganda?

I would say the burden of bearing and suckling children is quite influential, in determining women's economic circumstances.

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Reply #268 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 5:43pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 4:56pm:

Ever heard of propaganda?

Heard of it? He trekked through it.

The reality of the burden of bearing and suckling children, without male or societal support, is not 'propaganda, it's fact.

Feel free to refute that point, since you have given up on the Cicero paradox.

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Funny how the bamboo thickets looked bigger than the mountains he climbed there, but.

The pictures must've been taken from bad angles.

Fraudulent non-debating narrative, as expected.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13100 Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #269 - Sep 13^th, 2022 at 5:51pm thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13^th, 2022 at 5:43pm: Fraudulent non-debating narrative, as expected. Aww, boo hoo.
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