Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 14
th, 2022 at 5:29pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 14
th, 2022 at 11:07am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 13
th, 2022 at 10:55pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13
th, 2022 at 5:43pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13
th, 2022 at 5:29pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 13
th, 2022 at 4:56pm:
Ever heard of propaganda?
Heard of it? He trekked through it.
The reality of the burden of bearing and suckling children, without male or societal support, is not 'propaganda, it's fact.
Feel free to refute that point, since you have given up on the Cicero paradox.
Quote:Funny how the bamboo thickets looked bigger than the mountains he climbed there, but.
The pictures must've been taken from bad angles.
Fraudulent non-debating narrative, as expected.
So women should be paid extra for their child bearing duties and choices?
Child bearing and sucklng isn't a choice in the macro sense,
Quote:They have been supported by men for generations, sharing in all the proceeds of often very hard and dangerous work for the man...and the state has taken on the burden as well...
Yet as a group (50% of the population),
they are poorer than men, Quote:They are already paid for it and always have been....
Refuted above.
Quote:What is your argument?
That gendered employment roles like child and age care should be paid more. So that's your entire premise?
No, that's just one policy coming out of the recent jobs summit.
Quote:Already in train, and under discussion between unions, governments and employers.... why are you bothering?
Agreed, as noted above. I'm bothering because the issue shows the
limits of wage determination in market economies; government must be able to intervene in wage determination.
Quote: The flow-on economic effects will be endless and potentially disastrous for many Mandatory Dual Income Families (MADIFs), and will impose a mighty extra burden on the budget that it can ill afford at this time.
Just as I thought, your entire objection to wage justice for child and age care workers comes down to
entirely obsolete concerns about the
government budget Note:unlike you and me, governments with
currency-issuing capacity don't HAVE to balance their budgets, they have to
maximize efficient mobilization of the nation's resources (including age and child care workers). which includes overseeing resource mobilization in the
self-interested, profit-seeking private sector. Quote:It's time for governments to get out of their social science mode and get into doing they things they are paid for - fixing the hospitals, roads, and infrastructure, the rest should be left to market forces,
Refuted above....'market forces' value the CEO of CocaCola at multiples the value of a child care worker, when the reverse should be the case, in terms of harm versus good achieved for the community.
Quote:with additional oversight and regulation for the aged care sector at least....
No way around it; the numbers of workers and rates of pay in the age care sector have to be increased, funded by government.
Quote:The more you pay people the more it costs
...costs the currency-issuing government who doesn't have to balance its budget..
Quote:and the more it costs the more you have to pay people to get by - it's a never-ending cycle....
Wrong; higher wages (paid by government) makes it
easier for people to get by....(assuming workers are available for govt. to employ).
Quote:You speak as if it is a finite issue that will be magically resolved by giving the girls more money so as to further unbalance the current income levels clearly favouring women.
well certainly I would be lowering female - and male - CEO wages.....they are at absurd levels driven by shareholder greed.
Quote:In every sector there are those who get less and those who get more... between different sectors there are some who get less and some who get more.... you will never change that, but what your thinking style can do is create further problems for others by exclusion and disadvantage to them.
Addressed and refuted above. In this case, your
market forces dogma is the cause of your typical GIGO argumention.......
Quote:You cannot continue to rob Peter to pay Paula... and when you raise incomes for childcare workers, you create pressure on both Peter and his wife Petra to demand higher income levels to cater for increased costs, or you create a truly insane policy of a government to fund it near totally, meaning those with children get a better deal .... and so it goes on and on...
Like I said, GIGO......
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