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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #300 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 8:16am Flip
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #301 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 8:17am Flip
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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #302 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 8:30am

mothra wrote on Sep 16^th, 2022 at 8:00am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 16^th, 2022 at 7:42am:

mothra wrote on Sep 16^th, 2022 at 5:57am:

Aaaaand they're still going. Round in circles.

Have we all agreed yet that there is indeed a gender pay gap yet the causes of it are multifaceted?

No?

I'll check back in in a week or so.

Don't bother ... your input & or scrutiny isn't needed.

Yes. You're much more comfortable in your echo chamber.

Still incredibly hostile though Gonads. Haemorrhoids?

You attract hostility like a magnet

& you're as beneficial as haemorrhoids.

Though I doubt Anusol or Rectinol would cure you.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #303 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 8:39am

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2022 at 8:16am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 16^th, 2022 at 7:33am:

There is no pay gap.
If a bloke does the same job, he gets paid the same.
Now learn to deal with that, or play the victim of your own bullshyte.

Men and women get paid the same when doing the same job.

Good morning Captain : Like many people you're confusing the terms : "equal pay/unequal pay" with the term "gender pay gap".

Never mind....have a look at this little helpful article 👇

https://www.wgea.gov.au/the-gender-pay-gap

Cheers

So you've repeated TGD quote via link.

There are still many variables as to why they earn less.

The evidence presented in that link from a govt site does nothing but make a blame game/finger point.

It would seem that trying to balance the variables & making opportunity equal in the workplace has been a waste of time..............

& begs the question that has never been able to be answered.

What do women want?

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Reply #304 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 10:00am

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2022 at 8:16am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 16^th, 2022 at 7:33am:

There is no pay gap.
If a bloke does the same job, he gets paid the same.
Now learn to deal with that, or play the victim of your own bullshyte.

Men and women get paid the same when doing the same job.

Good morning Captain : Like many people you're confusing the terms : "equal pay/unequal pay" with the term "gender pay gap".

Never mind....have a look at this little helpful article 👇

https://www.wgea.gov.au/the-gender-pay-gap

Cheers

Morning Lisa.
I am not confusing the issue.

Mearly pointing out that it's obviously job based.
I can guarantee you that traddie women on construction sites are becoming more and more.
So these women are paid exactly the same as the men.
As more women step up into this realm of work, the gap will close.
Unfortunately, a lot of women can not handle the work load atm.
I've seen traddie women as sparkies, heaps as traffic controllers and peggies etc but extremely rare to see a female steel fixer, PT stresser, tilt up or pre cast installers, riggers and dogman, scafolders.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85090 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #305 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 11:52am Gender pay gap doesn't exist.... black gap doesn't exist other than by their own efforts.
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Reply #306 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 11:57am

I think we need to look at the real figures again.... just to un-confuse the foolish here:-

"… and now on the Grappler Morning show – our promised re-working of the classic 'gender wage gap' in an attempt to intrude some reality into the lives of those perpetually and professionally dumbed by ideology:-
https://www.google.com/search?q=australia+how+many+hours+per+week+do+men+work&oq...
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-working-conditions/average...

Women worked 36.4 hours pw on average, earned $1672.45

Average working weeks is 37.5 hours – so we add 1.1 hours worth to women's overall income

= $1723 for a 37.5 hour week.

Men worked 41 hours pw on average, earned $1955.45

At 37.5 hour average week – we must take away 3.5 hours pay to attain equity.

Ergo - $1955.45 - $166.92 = $1788.53 for a 37.5 hour week...

..then we must remove the half time penalty component from the extra 3.5 hours = 3.5 x $23.85 = $83.48.

Ergo - for a 37.5 hour week men would be paid $1788.53 - $83.48 = $1705.05.

ERGO:- For an ordinary 37.5 hour week women are paid $18 pw more than men, not including additions for conditions such as wet, weather, dust, remoteness, underground, height and so forth."

Would you like me to re-work the real figures for a 38 hour week, just in case you want to quibble?

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Reply #307 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 11:59am

Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 16^th, 2022 at 10:00am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2022 at 8:16am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 16^th, 2022 at 7:33am:

There is no pay gap.
If a bloke does the same job, he gets paid the same.
Now learn to deal with that, or play the victim of your own bullshyte.

Men and women get paid the same when doing the same job.

Good morning Captain : Like many people you're confusing the terms : "equal pay/unequal pay" with the term "gender pay gap".

Never mind....have a look at this little helpful article 👇

https://www.wgea.gov.au/the-gender-pay-gap

Cheers

Morning Lisa.
I am not confusing the issue.

Mearly pointing out that it's obviously job based.
I can guarantee you that traddie women on construction sites are becoming more and more.
So these women are paid exactly the same as the men.
As more women step up into this realm of work, the gap will close.
Unfortunately, a lot of women can not handle the work load atm.
I've seen traddie women as sparkies, heaps as traffic controllers and peggies etc but extremely rare to see a female steel fixer, PT stresser, tilt up or pre cast installers, riggers and dogman, scafolders.

Well - at the same time there are countless sectors where women actually are paid more, being slotted into the prime positions in those.

It's time to declare genuine equal opportunity again and let the dice fall where they fall - let Right be done though the heavens fall.

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Reply #308 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 12:07pm

Anyway, poppets - this is very far away from freediver's original premise.... the referendum that we actually need to stop political parties cheating their way into power.

I suppose he should have known better and that the blinded ideologues* would immediately launch into the mythical realms of 'gender pay gap' against women and some equally mythical 'black gap'.

The real figures have been shown for you over and over again and yet you refuse to accept that the gender pay gap actually works the other way and men are again the ones being cheated with lies.

BTW - when you have enough experience with The Madness Of Women Crowded Into One Body With Their Multiples you will cease to give a damn what women think they want - they don't know so don't bother trying to deal with crazies... they can't handle their own lives so why would you allow them to run the world for you?

Maybe the Mussos have got it right..... just a thought...

* Event Horizon with Sam Neill, old mate of the kids' mother.... "Where we're going we won't need eyes!" Somehow seems apt for the way this country is going down the toilet.... better not to see it .....

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Reply #309 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 12:17pm

No Black Gap - they're out there doing what they want to do, under their own steam as that fat dopey sheila from Melbadishu said they wanted, got free money coming in for the rent, killing and fighting one another as they choose, getting into the goom, lolling about in the warm sun living in their own remote communities, often with sandy beaches drinking rum every night, and enjoying the general fracas of their normal life.

What's to complain about? Living the Dreamtime....

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Reply #310 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 12:38pm

Jesus, Igor - that shut 'em down... Truth Pills too hard to swallow.

You have to wonder why people just take in anything they are told without a single thought and then start pushing it as some kind of reality when the facts show otherwise.... reminds me of a dope ring sitting around blowing their minds, man, and talking sh1t.... that sh1t becomes reality for them, too.....

Truly we live in a mental asylum here....

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85090 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #311 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 1:33pm Jesus, Igor - that shut 'em down..... bloody reality checks..... hmmph .....
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Reply #312 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 2:50pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 16^th, 2022 at 1:58am:

Funded by government means we pay.

Given the current obsolete monetary orthodoxy, that is correct.

Which means the people will be stuck with adversarial politics, with people like you demanding 'let (the disadvantaged) eat cake'.

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You could of just answered properly without being a farqwit about it, It was a simple question.

Simple question for simple minds.......

At least Lisa has put you right on the gender pay gap, now you have to continue demanding child and age care workers (mostly female) be paid as little as possible because "we all pay".

Yet the royal commision called for more age-care workers and higher pay......

Pity, either Gina will "have to pay more" or you will......

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Reply #313 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 3:26pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 6:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 15^th, 2022 at 11:23am:

Gnads wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 6:36pm:

Bullshyte

Statistical evidence could be tattooed on your forehead & you would still parrot the bs leftist radical feminist dogma.

https://www.wgea.gov.au/the-gender-pay-gap

What it is:
The gender pay gap measures the difference between the average earnings of women and men in the workforce. The gender pay gap is an internationally established measure of women’s position in the economy in comparison to men. The gender pay gap is the result of the social and economic factors that combine to reduce women’s earning capacity over their lifetime.

I accept your concession.

What social & economic factors?

women can't work the same quantity of hours as men on average., over a lifetime (child bearing and rearing)

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They are not forced to bear & suckle children.

on average they are....."go forth and multiply..."

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They are paid the same rates of pay.

Feminized employment (eg age, child care: 90% female) is among the lowest paid.

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How that's worded is indicating a comparison of a working lifetime of equal lengths to men.

Addressed above, women can't take paid work as long as men over a lifetime, on average.

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And if they choose they can do that too

fortunately women on average can't choose; the race would have ceased propagating itself long ago if they could..

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Their earning capacity would not be reduced then would it?

You are extrapolating individual choices to community choices. ...GIGO.

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Are they going to all be single at the end of their working lives?

No.

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If not & they are partnered either as a hetrosexual or a homosexual do not their partners support them & share everything?

Maybe.

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What that statement does is generalises & implies that all women choose to bear/suckle children that takes them out of the workforce & they don't earn...... it's not true.

Explained and refuted above; individuals are not communities.

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What about the all the factors that can reduce any genders earning capacity throughout a life time
Sickness, accident, disability, death of a partner, redundancy, termination, unemployment etc etc etc.

on average, these factors will apply equally to both genders.

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It does not change the fact that all it's about is for women to be paid or paid more for not working because they choose to have children, not to work overtime, not work shift work, not work weekends, not to work dangerous jobs, not to work FIFO, not to do trade apprenticeships,,,,,,

Addressed and refuted above; on average, women -over a life-time - will spend less time in less paid work than men.

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the list of reasons why they may earn less goes on & on.

Correct, includijg the ONE issue - bearing and rearing/suckling children, which men don't do.

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And it's in the majority... choice....... not discrimination.

You don't understand averages, or the difference between individuals and communities.

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Reply #314 - Sep 16^th, 2022 at 3:39pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 16^th, 2022 at 11:52am:

Gender pay gap doesn't exist.... black gap doesn't exist other than by their own efforts.

Gender pay gap:

over a lifetime, on average, women can't spend as much time in paid work as men.

Black gap:

1. Av. black life expectancy is a decade less than non-blacks.

2. In the NT, blacks are the most imprisoned people by race in the world.

Very simple grapps......this much you ought to be able to grasp, though the causes are too complex (transition between cultures ) for your simple mind to grapple with ...(excuse the pun)

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