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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #90 - Sep 8^th, 2022 at 9:02am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Sep 8^th, 2022 at 8:36am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 8^th, 2022 at 8:31am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Sep 8^th, 2022 at 8:27am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 8^th, 2022 at 8:10am:

" If you raise a point, it's not one I made. "

Ego much - so you are now admitting that YOU will not debate me about anything too factual for you to handle? If you design software, sonny - stay away from payroll and other important issues for people's lives - you'd be the kind that developed paradigms for Robodebt.

You are what I'd call a hack - as opposed to a scientifically based software engineer.

Oh - sorry - I did do a course in that as well...

I did in fact answer your ignorant bullshit. It was simply not a counter to my claim, but to a claim you made up

Get your glasses checked, old man

yes, the left love Robodebt. LOL!!!

Which particular sciences are pertinent to my software development? What about me having morals and shaming right wing filth on the internet educates you on my knowledge of C#, SQL and Typescript?

Utterly missed the realities, as usual... and now we descend into the usual that will get you banned - the ad homs and personal slights in place of any valid argument..

Go back and read the links on AWE and AHW - try again, child. If your treatment of Elders is anything to go by, and your handling of facts - you have zero morals.

You have to understand the REALITY of how any science or issue works before you can develop adequate and relevant software for it. Easy-peasy ... you can't even work out the simple figures for AWE/Hours worked and come up with figures.... and your total unwillingness to read relevant documents speaks for itself.

Make sure you stay away from other people's money, sonny.... stick to writing kid's games....

Grin

I am your master at every step. Grin

I agree, you can insult me and post racist hate, but I'll get a ban for answering. Have you not worked out I don't care?

I have lots of morals. I treat old people with respect when they are not human garbage.

That's not really true LOL!! I don't deeply understand the businesses I write software for. I get given one PBI at a time and I follow those business rules without ever getting a broader picture, I don't need one. I often write systems for things and don't understand WHY they exist, only how they work.

The fact is, women are paid less. This is literally maths. No, you are a worthless old man spewing hate. You never answer me or debate me, why would I give you the time of day? I'm just having fun laughing at you

That is 100% pure fantasy ... in "fact" it's a bloody lie.

Women are not paid less.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29811 Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #91 - Sep 8^th, 2022 at 9:02am ##
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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #92 - Sep 8^th, 2022 at 9:23am Gnads wrote on Sep 8^th, 2022 at 9:02am: That is 100% pure fantasy ... in "fact" it's a bloody lie. Women are not paid less. Did you get tagged? Why are women paid less then?
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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #93 - Sep 8^th, 2022 at 1:15pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2022 at 9:09pm:

An example of the type of political reform in Australia which i would like to see....

If any Federal government can't balance its [our] budget, then retired politicians [at that time] will only be entitled to the [exact] same pension payments as other Australians.

well.....speaking of reform: the currency-issuing government ought be free from usurious private sector money lenders.....so government (the public sector) can oversee resource mobilization on behalf of the <commonwealth>, rather than being constrained by private sector greed.

...ie, currency-issuing government are constrained by the nation's available resources, not money which is created solely by self-interested private sector financiers.

Balanced budgets are necessary for USERS of the currency (you and me), not the ISSUER (private or public) of the currency.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #94 - Sep 9^th, 2022 at 9:55pm

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 6:46am:

Just got another feeble excuse from Labor - they do not need to fix this problem because one day they will make Australia a republic. Not sure what they plan to do with the Senate if we do become a republic, or when they plan to make it happen.

Still no response from the other parties.

It just occurred to me that maybe the real reason Labor is stalling on the voice referendum is because they were anticipating the Queen's death, and want to throw in a republic referendum sooner than they have been letting on.

Both ideas seem to have the same problem - lack of detail. And both ideas lack detail because no-one likes what they see, if they ever get to see it.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #95 - Sep 10^th, 2022 at 5:40am

All that they can comprehend is a copycat of the Irish Republic cliche.

Think of this Forum becoming a Republic FD.
It means that you - as leader, becomes the 'sacrificial goat' on behalf of the people.
Unlike the Northern Hemisphere Politics, regardless of format - where the 'People' are the sacrifice, not the leader.

Come FD, die for our 'political' sins. Wink

...those Trolls here want your blood anyway.

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Reply #96 - Sep 10^th, 2022 at 8:32am

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2022 at 9:55pm:

Both ideas seem to have the same problem - lack of detail. And both ideas lack detail because no-one likes what they see, if they ever get to see it.

see how conservatives fuss about the letter of the law;

a voice is just that, an advice from black communities to Parliament - which may or may not be taken; and removal of the UK monarch as head of state in Oz. (The issue of electing an Oz head of state is minor, though people think their "freedom" is at stake)

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #97 - Sep 10^th, 2022 at 8:39am

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 8:32am:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2022 at 9:55pm:

Both ideas seem to have the same problem - lack of detail. And both ideas lack detail because no-one likes what they see, if they ever get to see it.

see how conservatives fuss about the letter of the law;

a voice is just that, an advice from black communities to Parliament - which may or may not be taken; and removal of the UK monarch as head of state in Oz. (The issue of electing an Oz head of state is minor, though people think their "freedom" is at stake)

It is not a change to the law. It is a change to the constitution. It would be incredibly stupid and naïve (like supporting the CCP) to ignore the detail and hope for the best.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29811 Gender:	Re: a referendum we actually need Reply #98 - Sep 10^th, 2022 at 8:44am FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Sep 8^th, 2022 at 9:23am: Gnads wrote on Sep 8^th, 2022 at 9:02am: That is 100% pure fantasy ... in "fact" it's a bloody lie. Women are not paid less. Did you get tagged? Why are women paid less then? They aren't.
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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #99 - Sep 10^th, 2022 at 8:49am

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 8:32am:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2022 at 9:55pm:

Both ideas seem to have the same problem - lack of detail. And both ideas lack detail because no-one likes what they see, if they ever get to see it.

see how conservatives fuss about the letter of the law;

a voice is just that, an advice from black communities to Parliament - which may or may not be taken; and removal of the UK monarch as head of state in Oz. (The issue of electing an Oz head of state is minor, though people think their "freedom" is at stake)

Phark me hooray - they already have a voice & the mechanisms to be heard in Parliament ...

that's what 15 plus elected Aboriginal MPs and Senators are there for.......

how does this continually escape you?

They do not need a duplication or a non elected voice directly to PARLIAMENT.

It's a nonsense.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #100 - Sep 10^th, 2022 at 9:07am

Gnads wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 8:49am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 8:32am:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2022 at 9:55pm:

Both ideas seem to have the same problem - lack of detail. And both ideas lack detail because no-one likes what they see, if they ever get to see it.

see how conservatives fuss about the letter of the law;

a voice is just that, an advice from black communities to Parliament - which may or may not be taken; and removal of the UK monarch as head of state in Oz. (The issue of electing an Oz head of state is minor, though people think their "freedom" is at stake)

Phark me hooray - they already have a voice & the mechanisms to be heard in Parliament ...

No they have c 15 separate voices (according to you) in Parliament, displaying the usual L-R divide.

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that's what 15 plus elected Aboriginal MPs and Senators are there for.......

how does this continually escape you?

Addressed above. A consensus voice as opposed to the 15 separate voices currently in Parliament.

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They do not need a duplication or a non elected voice directly to PARLIAMENT.

The voice would represent a 'black party' (though without actually existing as a party in parliament), as the ALP represents the voice of the Oz centre left, for exmple.

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It's a nonsense.

Refuted above.

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Re: a referendum we actually need
Reply #101 - Sep 10^th, 2022 at 9:50am

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 10^th, 2022 at 9:07am: