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Reply #1035 - Feb 15th, 2024 at 6:31pm
 
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Now Now Bobby I am a proud member of your fictional list and as an affirmed Groucho Marxist I deserve a position with full honours.



No - it means you're the type who would have voted for gay marriage.   Embarrassed



All marrages should be happy - no ?



Sorry - I voted against cultural Marxist homo marriage.    Embarrassed
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Reply #1037 - Feb 19th, 2024 at 9:21am
 
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So.....what would "progressive" signify, according to Voigt?

(he was anti Vietnam-war back in the day, but now he's pro war, to eradicate the commies.....). 
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Reply #1038 - Feb 19th, 2024 at 9:31am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 9:21am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 18th, 2024 at 10:16pm:
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So.....what would "progressive" signify, according to Voigt?

(he was anti Vietnam-war back in the day, but now he's pro war, to eradicate the commies.....). 



Some reading for you:

https://medium.com/@Perri_Fisher/progressivism-isnt-progressive-it-s-just-recycl...
Progressivism Isn’t Progressive; It’s Just Recycled Marxism


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It’s “progressive” to lobby for affirmative action programs and employment quotas that mandate race and gender-based diversity in the workplace. It’s “progressive” to show gay couples kissing on TV. It’s “progressive” to welcome massive numbers of hostile and culture-clashing migrants into Western countries. It’s “progressive” to defend a woman’s right to kill her unborn child under any circumstances, without apology.

That’s just how things are now. It’s CURRENT YEAR.

The central thrust of progressivism (besides the constant guilt-mongering over endless permutations of imagined bigotry) is the idea inherent in its name- that it is “progressive,” or heralding a natural movement into the future. But just a cursory review of the history of political movements will show that these very same sentiments have ebbed and flowed throughout the course of Western history. The idea that women should be equal in every way to men, that sexuality should be unrestricted, and that traditional Christian-based family values need to be abolished in order to “advance” society are, in fact, nearly a century old.

The root of these destructive ideas can be traced to
Italian Communist philosopher Antonio Gramsci,
who grew to prominence around World War I.
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Reply #1039 - Feb 19th, 2024 at 9:35am
 
Progressive? Unh, Unh
Don’t validate the Left’s self-cherishing fantasy.


Political Leftists call themselves “progressives” as a form of self-praise, an assertion that their politics represent a higher consciousness than the prejudices of the mob of unthinking deplorables and will lead mankind to a sunny upland where human nature will transcend its baser impulses, and peace and harmony will reign. Conservatives should not indulge them in this self-deception. We should stop using “progressive” as a synonym for the noun “Lefty” or the adjective “left-wing.”

The label springs from the thought of philosopher G. W. F. Hegel, whose writings Woodrow Wilson, a founder of Progressivism as an early-twentieth-century political movement, taught himself German to read. For Hegel, history moves from lower stages of human consciousness to higher, until finally it will purportedly reach its goal, man’s full realization of human freedom, both in the sense of understanding it and achieving it. History has a forward trajectory, an arc, whose shape and direction our first professor-president believed he could discern more clearly than the non-Ivy League masses. Hence his impatience with the Founding Fathers’ ideal of self-government. How could the half-educated masses understand justice as well as the highly educated judges and skilled administrators he believed should run the nation’s affairs? How foolish of the Constitution’s framers, he thought, to believe that the people themselves could know what was good for them!

Though the Marxists turned Hegel upside-down, positing man’s material life as the source of his thoughts rather than vice-versa, the intellectual hubris remained unchanged. Always, there would be a vanguard of leaders and thinkers, who saw through the mystifications of capitalism and perceived the grinding of the historical gears that would lead to that utopia where “to each according to his need; from each according to his ability” would be the golden rule. In this spirit, early in the Great Depression, which many took as proof that liberal capitalism had permanently failed, “progressive” came to be a euphemism, or mask, for “Communist” or “fellow traveler.”
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Reply #1040 - Feb 19th, 2024 at 9:44am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 9:35am:
Progressive? Unh, Unh
Don’t validate the Left’s self-cherishing fantasy.


Political Leftists call themselves “progressives” as a form of self-praise, an assertion that their politics represent a higher consciousness than the prejudices of the mob of unthinking deplorables and will lead mankind to a sunny upland where human nature will transcend its baser impulses, and peace and harmony will reign. Conservatives should not indulge them in this self-deception. We should stop using “progressive” as a synonym for the noun “Lefty” or the adjective “left-wing.”

The label springs from the thought of philosopher G. W. F. Hegel, whose writings Woodrow Wilson, a founder of Progressivism as an early-twentieth-century political movement, taught himself German to read. For Hegel, history moves from lower stages of human consciousness to higher, until finally it will purportedly reach its goal, man’s full realization of human freedom, both in the sense of understanding it and achieving it. History has a forward trajectory, an arc, whose shape and direction our first professor-president believed he could discern more clearly than the non-Ivy League masses. Hence his impatience with the Founding Fathers’ ideal of self-government. How could the half-educated masses understand justice as well as the highly educated judges and skilled administrators he believed should run the nation’s affairs? How foolish of the Constitution’s framers, he thought, to believe that the people themselves could know what was good for them!

Though the Marxists turned Hegel upside-down, positing man’s material life as the source of his thoughts rather than vice-versa, the intellectual hubris remained unchanged. Always, there would be a vanguard of leaders and thinkers, who saw through the mystifications of capitalism and perceived the grinding of the historical gears that would lead to that utopia where “to each according to his need; from each according to his ability” would be the golden rule. In this spirit, early in the Great Depression, which many took as proof that liberal capitalism had permanently failed, “progressive” came to be a euphemism, or mask, for “Communist” or “fellow traveler.”
https://www.city-journal.org/article/progressive-unh-unh

By mid-century, the center-left American mainstream assumed the title of “liberal,” appropriating (and distorting) a British term that had meant a politics of free trade, free markets, an expanded democratic franchise, and intellectual tolerance. American liberalism retained the tolerance, including a tolerance for free enterprise, but its emphasis was on statism, especially the redistributive taxation, welfare-statism, and economic regulation left over from the New Deal, with an admirable leavening of civil rights activism. But for the 1960s student Left, “liberal” became a dirty word. Now it was time for “radicalism,” up to and including the murderous Black Panthers and Weathermen. Out went tolerance, even reason itself. (For an impassioned account of this transformation, see the documentary Arguing the World, starring Daniel Bell, Nathan Glazer, Irving Howe, and Irving Kristol.) Herbert Marcuse’s “repressive tolerance”—an oxymoron meaning punitive, inquisitorial suppression of politically incorrect speech and thought—shoved aside tolerance. In political discourse, entitlement to your own facts replaced entitlement to your own opinion.

And now? With the near-total success of the civil rights movement and the disappearance of the Soviet empire as a threatening example of the inevitable tyranny that Communism entails, the Left’s program has shrunk to campus microaggressions, environmentalist opposition to capitalism, and a reborn socialism among people ignorant of its history and blind to its real-world nightmare in Venezuela or Cuba. Bicycling against global warming, or pointing to micro-groups of supposed victims as objects of Jim Crow-style oppression, is not an inspiring politics and doesn’t hold a candle to shutting up your opponents by mob rule.

Progressive? Hardly. I’ll leave it to you to think up the proper label for mobs who threaten to break into conservative pundits’ homes or hound Trump administration officials out of restaurants, for “activists” who verbally abuse a Fox News host or a reader of the New Criterion on the subway. For now, I’ll stick with “Lefty.”
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Reply #1041 - Feb 19th, 2024 at 10:23am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 15th, 2024 at 6:31pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 15th, 2024 at 6:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 15th, 2024 at 9:27am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 15th, 2024 at 9:16am:
Now Now Bobby I am a proud member of your fictional list and as an affirmed Groucho Marxist I deserve a position with full honours.



No - it means you're the type who would have voted for gay marriage.   Embarrassed


All marrages should be happy - no ?



Sorry - I voted against cultural Marxist homo marriage.    Embarrassed


That's right Sir Knight, 

it's a slippery slope..
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Reply #1042 - Feb 19th, 2024 at 10:31am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 10:23am:
That's right Sir Knight, 

it's a slippery slope..



What would Jesus have done?



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Reply #1043 - Feb 19th, 2024 at 10:41am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 9:31am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 9:21am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 18th, 2024 at 10:16pm:
[url]https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/159/197/361/orig
inal/789fa3336f6b94e8.jpeg[/url]


So.....what would "progressive" signify, according to Voigt?

(he was anti Vietnam-war back in the day, but now he's pro war, to eradicate the commies.....). 



Some reading for you:

https://medium.com/@Perri_Fisher/progressivism-isnt-progressive-it-s-just-recycl...
Progressivism Isn’t Progressive; It’s Just Recycled Marxism


Perri Fisher

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It’s “progressive” to lobby for affirmative action programs and employment quotas that mandate race and gender-based diversity in the workplace. It’s “progressive” to show gay couples kissing on TV. It’s “progressive” to welcome massive numbers of hostile and culture-clashing migrants into Western countries. It’s “progressive” to defend a woman’s right to kill her unborn child under any circumstances, without apology.



Ah.... Ta.

1. Yes, being ignorant of the role mainstream economics plays in engendering poverty in the land, so-called "progressives" will try to find other ways to counter the economic injustice of unemployment.

2. Well, if the show has no redeeming qualities, try another TV channel.

3. As I keep telling you, the current global refugee crises can only be fixed with reformed IMF and WorldBank policies.

4. Abortion is a difficult one: perhaps  if the state  was prepared to fund the unwanted child..... (the church used to look after unwanted babies in the middle ages...)

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The central thrust of progressivism (besides the constant guilt-mongering over endless permutations of imagined bigotry) is the idea inherent in its name- that it is “progressive,” or heralding a natural movement into the future.


Yes...moving toward a less bigoted, more prosperous world for everyone.....

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But just a cursory review of the history of political movements will show that these very same sentiments have ebbed and flowed throughout the course of Western history. The idea that women should be equal in every way to men, that sexuality should be unrestricted, and that traditional Christian-based family values need to be abolished in order to “advance” society are, in fact, nearly a century old.


Well...modern educated women want to be more than baby machines without personal autonomy..

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The root of these destructive ideas can be traced to Italian Communist philosopher Antonio Gramsci,
who grew to prominence around World War I.


Well - ok; he was after all in search of a better world..not necessarily "destructive ideas"....
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Reply #1044 - Feb 19th, 2024 at 12:14pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 10:41am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 9:31am:
[quote] But just a cursory review of the history of political movements will show that these very same sentiments have ebbed and flowed throughout the course of Western history. The idea that women should be equal in every way to men, that sexuality should be unrestricted, and that traditional Christian-based family values need to be abolished in order to “advance” society are, in fact, nearly a century old.


Well...modern educated women want to be more than baby machines without personal autonomy..





What a mindless idiocy - just what we have come to epect from you.

Was yo mamma a mindless baby machine withut personal autonomy?

And personal autonomy- is that like ...er.... personal freedom?




You are a serious threat to Bbwian's crown as the king of eyewateringly stupid self-contradictons.

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Reply #1045 - Feb 19th, 2024 at 1:48pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 12:14pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 10:41am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 9:31am:
[quote] But just a cursory review of the history of political movements will show that these very same sentiments have ebbed and flowed throughout the course of Western history. The idea that women should be equal in every way to men, that sexuality should be unrestricted, and that traditional Christian-based family values need to be abolished in order to “advance” society are, in fact, nearly a century old.


Well...modern educated women want to be more than baby machines without personal autonomy..


What a mindless idiocy - just what we have come to epect from you.


Er, the subject was the social status  of women, in history.

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Was yo mamma a mindless baby machine withut personal autonomy?


Most women didn't have their own careers until recently.

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And personal autonomy- is that like ...er.... personal freedom?


Yes - under rule of law, of course.

Geez, dealing with your confused deluded ideology is like herding cats....

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You are a serious threat to Bbwian's crown as the king of eyewateringly stupid self-contradictons.


Refuted above - with explanation; give it a try for a change. 
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Reply #1046 - Feb 19th, 2024 at 5:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 9:31am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 9:21am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 18th, 2024 at 10:16pm:
[url]https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/159/197/361/orig
inal/789fa3336f6b94e8.jpeg[/url]


So.....what would "progressive" signify, according to Voigt?

(he was anti Vietnam-war back in the day, but now he's pro war, to eradicate the commies.....). 



Some reading for you:

https://medium.com/@Perri_Fisher/progressivism-isnt-progressive-it-s-just-recycl...
Progressivism Isn’t Progressive; It’s Just Recycled Marxism


Perri Fisher

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It’s “progressive” to lobby for affirmative action programs and employment quotas that mandate race and gender-based diversity in the workplace. It’s “progressive” to show gay couples kissing on TV. It’s “progressive” to welcome massive numbers of hostile and culture-clashing migrants into Western countries. It’s “progressive” to defend a woman’s right to kill her unborn child under any circumstances, without apology.

That’s just how things are now. It’s CURRENT YEAR.

The central thrust of progressivism (besides the constant guilt-mongering over endless permutations of imagined bigotry) is the idea inherent in its name- that it is “progressive,” or heralding a natural movement into the future. But just a cursory review of the history of political movements will show that these very same sentiments have ebbed and flowed throughout the course of Western history. The idea that women should be equal in every way to men, that sexuality should be unrestricted, and that traditional Christian-based family values need to be abolished in order to “advance” society are, in fact, nearly a century old.

The root of these destructive ideas can be traced to
Italian Communist philosopher Antonio Gramsci,
who grew to prominence around World War I.


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Progressivism Isn’t Progressive; It’s Just Recycled Marxism


Economic progressivism is centre right in nature

Social progressivism is a form of social liberalism which is politically centrist.

Neither is Marxist.
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Economic progressivism is centre right in nature

Social progressivism is a form of social liberalism which is politically centrist.

Neither is Marxist.


Nonsense, as usual. Shite no more, duck. Tsk, tsk.

Marx was very much for economic progress, as it would lead to communism when production was at such a high level that nobody would have to work more than a couple of hours a day.

Social progressivism is a little more complex but it is not liberal still programmatic, ie with a predetermined goal. Progressivism, by definitin, is programmatic. Liberalism by definition, is the absence of a pre-determined goals to progress to. SO progressivism - goal oriented - is the very opposite of liberalism - not goal oriented beyond maximum freedom now and into the future.

Marx was BOTH economic pogressive AND social progressive. A good definition of Marxism, in fact, duck head.

Nil points.   No cigar - or peas- neither.
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Reply #1048 - Feb 19th, 2024 at 5:53pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 5:45pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 5:17pm:
Economic progressivism is centre right in nature

Social progressivism is a form of social liberalism which is politically centrist.

Neither is Marxist.


Nonsense, as usual. Shite no more, duck. Tsk, tsk.

Marx was very much for economic progress, as it would lead to communism when production was at such a high level that nobody would have to work more than a couple of hours a day.

Social progressivism is a little more complex but it is not liberal still programmatic, ie with a predetermined goal. Progressivism, by definitin, is programmatic. Liberalism by definition, is the absence of a pre-determined goals to progress to. SO progressivism - goal oriented - is the very opposite of liberalism - not goal oriented beyond maximum freedom now and into the future.

Marx was BOTH economic pogressive AND social progressive. A good definition of Marxism, in fact, duck head.

Nil points.   No cigar - or peas- neither.


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very much for economic progress,


So economic progress is an example of Marxism ? Really ? You sure that you want to hang your hat there ?

So you saying that capitalism is based on economic regression ?

I don't think your argument holds a lot of water.

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Reply #1049 - Feb 19th, 2024 at 6:12pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 5:53pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 5:45pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2024 at 5:17pm:
Economic progressivism is centre right in nature

Social progressivism is a form of social liberalism which is politically centrist.

Neither is Marxist.


Nonsense, as usual. Shite no more, duck. Tsk, tsk.

Marx was very much for economic progress, as it would lead to communism when production was at such a high level that nobody would have to work more than a couple of hours a day.

Social progressivism is a little more complex but it is not liberal still programmatic, ie with a predetermined goal. Progressivism, by definitin, is programmatic. Liberalism by definition, is the absence of a pre-determined goals to progress to. SO progressivism - goal oriented - is the very opposite of liberalism - not goal oriented beyond maximum freedom now and into the future.

Marx was BOTH economic pogressive AND social progressive. A good definition of Marxism, in fact, duck head.

Nil points.   No cigar - or peas- neither.


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very much for economic progress,


So economic progress is an example of Marxism ? Really ? You sure that you want to hang your hat there ?

So you saying that capitalism is based on economic regression ?

I don't think your argument holds a lot of water.


You are an idiot, duck head.  You have no idea about ANYTHING. Not about Marxism, liberalism, economics, social philosphy, history - nothing.

You eat peas and you poo and... er.. that's it!!


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