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Reply #1065 - Feb 21^st, 2024 at 10:32am

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 9:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 9:25am:

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 8:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 7:44pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 7:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 2:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 12:53pm:

Woke is cultural Marxist:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/907/648/original/04805d...

Woke is anything the right don't like, nothing to do with marxism.

Er... the right doesn't like Marxism, stupid, waddling little water fowl.

You didn't realise, I know.

Peas? Somewhere to shite?
Help yourself.

You don't think there is anything not marxist that the right don't like.

The don't like right membership casts a wide net / it is a broad church. The vast majority isn't marxist.

Marxist is just a small subset ot the rights insane list of dislikes.

Dr Seuss is not marxist but it is woke to the right ?

The Green M&M isn't marxist ?

Bud Light isn't Marxist ?

OK - tell us then - what IS the intellectual basis of Lefty agitation if not Marxism?

It can't just be peas and poo, like your intellectual grounding.

You should use words that you understand.

Much of people's agitation would be non political in nature.

In this case even for the 10% where it may be political it could equally or more probably be Liberal, Libertarian, social justice, progressive, moderate conservative, socialist or others.

I am asking you about intellectual groundings, not about labels.

Less than 0.5% of the population would have a grounding in marxism intellectual or other, its almost non existent.

Marxism is just not a thing any more, nobody is grounded in it.

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Reply #1066 - Feb 21^st, 2024 at 10:38am

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 11:16am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 19^th, 2024 at 1:48pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 19^th, 2024 at 12:14pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 19^th, 2024 at 10:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2024 at 9:31am:

[quote] But just a cursory review of the history of political movements will show that these very same sentiments have ebbed and flowed throughout the course of Western history. The idea that women should be equal in every way to men, that sexuality should be unrestricted, and that traditional Christian-based family values need to be abolished in order to “advance” society are, in fact, nearly a century old.

Well...modern educated women want to be more than baby machines without personal autonomy..

What a mindless idiocy - just what we have come to epect from you.

Er, the subject was the social status of women, in history.

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Was yo mamma a mindless baby machine withut personal autonomy?

Most women didn't have their own careers until recently.

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And personal autonomy- is that like ...er.... personal freedom?

Yes - under rule of law, of course.

So... was yo mamma a mindless baby machine with no personal autonomy and not subject to the rule of law?

1. She had no career...looking after 4 kids was a full-time job. Times are a changin'....

2. Everyone has been subject to rule of law since Magna Carta, nay, even since Hammurabi; the content of the law is the issue....

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Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere.
Reply #1067 - Feb 21^st, 2024 at 10:58am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 10:32am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 9:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 9:25am:

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 8:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 7:44pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 7:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 2:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 12:53pm:

Woke is cultural Marxist:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/907/648/original/04805d...

Woke is anything the right don't like, nothing to do with marxism.

Er... the right doesn't like Marxism, stupid, waddling little water fowl.

You didn't realise, I know.

Peas? Somewhere to shite?
Help yourself.

You don't think there is anything not marxist that the right don't like.

The don't like right membership casts a wide net / it is a broad church. The vast majority isn't marxist.

Marxist is just a small subset ot the rights insane list of dislikes.

Dr Seuss is not marxist but it is woke to the right ?

The Green M&M isn't marxist ?

Bud Light isn't Marxist ?

OK - tell us then - what IS the intellectual basis of Lefty agitation if not Marxism?

It can't just be peas and poo, like your intellectual grounding.

You should use words that you understand.

Much of people's agitation would be non political in nature.

In this case even for the 10% where it may be political it could equally or more probably be Liberal, Libertarian, social justice, progressive, moderate conservative, socialist or others.

I am asking you about intellectual groundings, not about labels.

Less than 0.5% of the population would have a grounding in marxism intellectual or other, its almost non existent.

Marxism is just not a thing any more, nobody is grounded in it.

You are avoiding the question. What is the intellectual grounding of the Left if not Marxism?

What is yours?

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Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere.
Reply #1068 - Feb 21^st, 2024 at 11:22am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 10:32am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 9:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 9:25am:

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 8:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 7:44pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 7:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 2:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 20^th, 2024 at 12:53pm:

Woke is cultural Marxist:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/907/648/original/04805d...

Woke is anything the right don't like, nothing to do with marxism.

Er... the right doesn't like Marxism, stupid, waddling little water fowl.

You didn't realise, I know.

Peas? Somewhere to shite?
Help yourself.

You don't think there is anything not marxist that the right don't like.

The don't like right membership casts a wide net / it is a broad church. The vast majority isn't marxist.

Marxist is just a small subset ot the rights insane list of dislikes.

Dr Seuss is not marxist but it is woke to the right ?

The Green M&M isn't marxist ?

Bud Light isn't Marxist ?

OK - tell us then - what IS the intellectual basis of Lefty agitation if not Marxism?

It can't just be peas and poo, like your intellectual grounding.

You should use words that you understand.

Much of people's agitation would be non political in nature.

In this case even for the 10% where it may be political it could equally or more probably be Liberal, Libertarian, social justice, progressive, moderate conservative, socialist or others.

I am asking you about intellectual groundings, not about labels.

Less than 0.5% of the population would have a grounding in marxism intellectual or other, its almost non existent.

Marxism is just not a thing any more, nobody is grounded in it.

Correct. When Dutton accused Albo's stage-3 tax policy of being "Marxist" , and then Dutton promptly voted FOR the policy, Labor members were greatly amused.

Self-described social democrat Bernie Sanders speaks of an 'economy which works for all'.
....not referencing Marx.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 43636 Gender:	Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere. Reply #1069 - Feb 24^th, 2024 at 7:16pm
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Reply #1070 - Feb 25^th, 2024 at 11:55am

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 10:58am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 10:32am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 9:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 9:25am:

You should use words that you understand.

Much of people's agitation would be non political in nature.

In this case even for the 10% where it may be political it could equally or more probably be Liberal, Libertarian, social justice, progressive, moderate conservative, socialist or others.

I am asking you about intellectual groundings, not about labels.

Less than 0.5% of the population would have a grounding in marxism intellectual or other, its almost non existent.

Marxism is just not a thing any more, nobody is grounded in it.

You are avoiding the question. What is the intellectual grounding of the Left if not Marxism?

What is yours?

It is like asking what the rights - conservatives grounding is that drives the uniform mean and nasty authoritarian slant.

There are many different triggers for their abnormal condition just as there is not one single driver for a more fair understanding focus from the left. It is likely more driven by born / ingrained personality traits. Nothing to do directly with any ism.

On the marxism point it is hard to justify a dominant impact from anything that virtually does not exist.

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Reply #1071 - Feb 25^th, 2024 at 12:47pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2024 at 11:55am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 10:58am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 10:32am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 9:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 9:25am:

You should use words that you understand.

Much of people's agitation would be non political in nature.

In this case even for the 10% where it may be political it could equally or more probably be Liberal, Libertarian, social justice, progressive, moderate conservative, socialist or others.

I am asking you about intellectual groundings, not about labels.

Less than 0.5% of the population would have a grounding in marxism intellectual or other, its almost non existent.

Marxism is just not a thing any more, nobody is grounded in it.

You are avoiding the question. What is the intellectual grounding of the Left if not Marxism?

What is yours?

It is like asking what the rights - conservatives grounding is that drives the uniform mean and nasty authoritarian slant.

There are many different triggers for their abnormal condition just as there is not one single driver for a more fair understanding focus from the left. It is likely more driven by born / ingrained personality traits. Nothing to do directly with any ism.

On the marxism point it is hard to justify a dominant impact from anything that virtually does not exist.

You don't even understand the question, duckwit.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12113 Gender:	Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere. Reply #1072 - Feb 25^th, 2024 at 1:18pm Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 10:58am: You are avoiding the question. What is the intellectual grounding of the Left if not Marxism? Fairness, ie fair pay for a fair day's work. That Marx wanted the same thing is incidental today.
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Reply #1073 - Feb 25^th, 2024 at 8:03pm

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2024 at 12:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2024 at 11:55am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 10:58am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 10:32am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 9:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 9:25am:

You should use words that you understand.

Much of people's agitation would be non political in nature.

In this case even for the 10% where it may be political it could equally or more probably be Liberal, Libertarian, social justice, progressive, moderate conservative, socialist or others.

I am asking you about intellectual groundings, not about labels.

Less than 0.5% of the population would have a grounding in marxism intellectual or other, its almost non existent.

Marxism is just not a thing any more, nobody is grounded in it.

You are avoiding the question. What is the intellectual grounding of the Left if not Marxism?

What is yours?

It is like asking what the rights - conservatives grounding is that drives the uniform mean and nasty authoritarian slant.

There are many different triggers for their abnormal condition just as there is not one single driver for a more fair understanding focus from the left. It is likely more driven by born / ingrained personality traits. Nothing to do directly with any ism.

On the marxism point it is hard to justify a dominant impact from anything that virtually does not exist.

You don't even understand the question, duckwit.

You just don't get that it can't be something that virtually does not exist.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57729 Here Gender:	Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere. Reply #1074 - Feb 25^th, 2024 at 8:04pm thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25^th, 2024 at 1:18pm: Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 10:58am: You are avoiding the question. What is the intellectual grounding of the Left if not Marxism? Fairness, ie fair pay for a fair day's work. That Marx wanted the same thing is incidental today. Correct.
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Reply #1075 - Feb 25^th, 2024 at 10:33pm

Here is a good example of cultural Marxism from New Zealand -
learn Maori crap or lose your job:

https://www.noticer.news/new-zealand-harcourts-real-estate-agent-fired-maori-cul...

February 25, 2024
The Noticer

A New Zealand realtor has been fired after she publicly revealed

she was facing a five-year industry ban for refusing to complete a course on Maori culture
that was required for her real estate licence.

The Te Kakano Diversity and Inclusion Continuing Professional Development course is 1.5 hours long and claims to “provide licensees with an opportunity to develop or deepen their understanding of Maori culture, language and custom”.

It includes lessons on Maori ritual chants, “correct” pronunciation of place names, New Zealand’s Treaty of Waitangi, and the “special connection” Maori people claim to have with the land.

To complete the course questions on the content must be answered correctly at regular intervals, and an accompanying video must be watched beginning to end.

Activities include reciting Maori prayers, writing a tribal expression, and practicing the Maori alphabet.

The course also advises real estate agents to recite special prayers for “spiritual protection” when entering and leaving land that Maori people consider sacred, and to avoid putting hats on food tables or sitting on pillows or cushions.

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Reply #1076 - Feb 26^th, 2024 at 10:32am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2024 at 10:33pm:

Here is a good example of cultural Marxism from New Zealand -
learn Maori crap or lose your job:

https://www.noticer.news/new-zealand-harcourts-real-estate-agent-fired-maori-cul...

February 25, 2024
The Noticer

A New Zealand realtor has been fired after she publicly revealed

she was facing a five-year industry ban for refusing to complete a course on Maori culture
that was required for her real estate licence.

The Te Kakano Diversity and Inclusion Continuing Professional Development course is 1.5 hours long and claims to “provide licensees with an opportunity to develop or deepen their understanding of Maori culture, language and custom”.

It includes lessons on Maori ritual chants, “correct” pronunciation of place names, New Zealand’s Treaty of Waitangi, and the “special connection” Maori people claim to have with the land.

To complete the course questions on the content must be answered correctly at regular intervals, and an accompanying video must be watched beginning to end.

Activities include reciting Maori prayers, writing a tribal expression, and practicing the Maori alphabet.

The course also advises real estate agents to recite special prayers for “spiritual protection” when entering and leaving land that Maori people consider sacred, and to avoid putting hats on food tables or sitting on pillows or cushions.

You think Marx would have been interested in this nonsense?

At least Frank asked a sensible question - though he has run away after being given the answer....

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 100855 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere. Reply #1077 - Feb 26^th, 2024 at 10:48am thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26^th, 2024 at 10:32am: You think Marx would have been interested in this nonsense? At least Frank asked a sensible question - though he has run away after being given the answer.... It's culture.
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Reply #1078 - Feb 26^th, 2024 at 10:52am

Progressivism“Gender,” Marxism, and the Search for Power
Critical gender theorists argue that gender is a defining element of society and is rooted in the struggle for power, and they provide direct references to Marxism.
Logically, then, queer theorists believe that the rejection of radical gender theories is the same as racial discrimination.
https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/gender-marxism-and-the-search-power

Critical race theory is an academic discipline, formulated in the 1990s and built on the intellectual framework of identity-based Marxism. Relegated for many years to universities and obscure academic journals, it has increasingly become the default ideology in our public institutions over the past decade. It has been injected into government agencies, public school systems, teacher training programs and corporate human resources departments in the form of diversity training programs, human resources modules, public policy frameworks and school curricula.
https://manhattan.institute/article/what-critical-race-theory-is-really-about

Structuralism focuses on understanding the underlying structures that determine or shape human behaviour, perception and meaning. Structuralists argue that reality can only be understood by examining the wider systems that shape individuals and events. Structuralo-Marxism is a school of thought that attempts to fuse the ideas of Marxism and structuralism. The aim is to understand how social and economic structures determine the behaviour and perceptions of individuals while keeping in mind the class struggle and the role of capitalism in structuring these systems. Structural Marxists argue that capitalism is a structure in itself that shapes people's behaviour and perceptions.
https://baripedia.org/wiki/Marxism_and_Structuralism#:~:text=Structuralo%2DMarxi
sm%20is%20a%20school,capitalism%20in%20structuring%20these%20systems.

Etc, etc.

There is no economic or socio-political discourse today that is not either derived from Marxist economic and social analysis or is in contrast to it. Marxism itself is derived from earlier economic and social theories and intellectual currents.

If you are not aware of the intellectual foundations or currents that underlie your own ideas then you should perhaps start looking into the matter.

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Reply #1079 - Feb 26^th, 2024 at 11:26am

Frank wrote on Feb 26^th, 2024 at 10:52am:

Progressivism“Gender,” Marxism, and the Search for Power
Critical gender theorists argue that gender is a defining element of society and is rooted in the struggle for power, and they provide direct references to Marxism.

Marx was only interested in the the role/status of women in the economy, so those "critical gender theorists" are talking out of their a*ses.

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Logically, then, queer theorists believe that the rejection of radical gender theories is the same as racial discrimination.

And nothing to do with Marx, you dummy.

google

"Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels said very little on the subject (LBGT rights)in their published works and what they did say was contemptuous. Marx in particular commented rarely on sexuality in general.

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https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/gender-marxism-and-the-search-power

Critical race theory is an academic discipline, formulated in the 1990s and built on the intellectual framework of identity-based Marxism.

...being largely RW mythology, as noted above.

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Relegated for many years to universities and obscure academic journals, it has increasingly become the default ideology in our public institutions over the past decade.
There is no economic or socio-political discourse today that is not either derived from Marxist economic and social analysis or is in contrast to it. Marxism itself is derived from earlier economic and social theories and intellectual currents.

That's right because Marx wanted economic wellbeing for all, and examined power relationships in society.

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If you are not aware of the intellectual foundations or currents that underlie your own ideas then you should perhaps start looking into the matter.

Correct.

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