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Reply #1095 - Feb 27th, 2024 at 9:35am  
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 11:26am:
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 10:52am:
Progressivism“Gender,” Marxism, and the Search for Power
Critical gender theorists argue that gender is a defining element of society and is rooted in the struggle for power, and they provide direct references to Marxism.


Marx was only interested in the the role/status of women in the economy, so those "critical gender theorists" are talking out of their a*ses.

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Logically, then, queer theorists believe that the rejection of radical gender theories is the same as racial discrimination.


And nothing to do with Marx, you dummy.

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"Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels said very little on the subject (LBGT rights)in their published works and what they did say was contemptuous. Marx in particular commented rarely on sexuality in general.





Marxism is NOT just, or even mainly, what Marx and Engels wrote.



Ok - good to know "Marxism" has got nothing to do with Marx ......

Sounds a bit like the relationship of the Catholic Christian Church to Christ ie, zilch.

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Marxism is a method of social, economic and political analysis: dialectical and historical materialism, scientific socialism.


...without reference to Marx's own  writings?  eg he said NOTHING about queer culture or CRT - again, a bit like Christ.....

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Or as Lenin put it, Karl Marx was, "the genius who continued and consummated the three main ideological currents of the 19th century, as represented by the three most advanced countries of mankind: classical German philosophy, classical English political economy, and French socialism combined with French revolutionary doctrines in general.”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/granat/ch02.htm


Certainly the Communist Manifesto was concerned to describe how the economy could engender universal well-being - but not how Lenin could achieve such an outcome in  Russia....
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Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere.
Reply #1096 - Feb 27th, 2024 at 9:40am  
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 9:35am:
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 11:26am:
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 10:52am:
Progressivism“Gender,” Marxism, and the Search for Power
Critical gender theorists argue that gender is a defining element of society and is rooted in the struggle for power, and they provide direct references to Marxism.


Marx was only interested in the the role/status of women in the economy, so those "critical gender theorists" are talking out of their a*ses.

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Logically, then, queer theorists believe that the rejection of radical gender theories is the same as racial discrimination.


And nothing to do with Marx, you dummy.

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"Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels said very little on the subject (LBGT rights)in their published works and what they did say was contemptuous. Marx in particular commented rarely on sexuality in general.





Marxism is NOT just, or even mainly, what Marx and Engels wrote.



Ok - good to know "Marxism" has got nothing to do with Marx ......





Look, moron, look, with all your eyes, look:

"Not just" is NOT the same as "nothing to do with".


Now, if you have comprehended your moronic misinterpretation you could try again, intelligently, with signs of comprehending of what you are told. See if you are capable of it (I doubt it).
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Reply #1097 - Feb 27th, 2024 at 9:44am  
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 1:40pm:
Neo-fascism masquerading as a goodie two-shoes.


Ah ha...graps delusional "freedom" ideology masquerading as rule of law. (No doubt graps is putting himself forward as an example of the 'non-self-interested individual' who doesn't need to accept rule of law....)

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Well - critical gender theory IS rooted pretty much...... no matter which way you cook it... same as Bleck critical theory and all the other rising clouds of bulldust obscuring the horizons in the West....


Relationships based on power and oppression are still alive and kicking in the world, whether sex or race based, (or anything else, eg, money).





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Reply #1098 - Feb 27th, 2024 at 9:50am  
Frank wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 9:40am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 9:35am:
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 11:26am:
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 10:52am:
Progressivism“Gender,” Marxism, and the Search for Power
Critical gender theorists argue that gender is a defining element of society and is rooted in the struggle for power, and they provide direct references to Marxism.


Marx was only interested in the the role/status of women in the economy, so those "critical gender theorists" are talking out of their a*ses.

Quote:
Logically, then, queer theorists believe that the rejection of radical gender theories is the same as racial discrimination.


And nothing to do with Marx, you dummy.

google

"Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels said very little on the subject (LBGT rights)in their published works and what they did say was contemptuous. Marx in particular commented rarely on sexuality in general.





Marxism is NOT just, or even mainly, what Marx and Engels wrote.



Ok - good to know "Marxism" has got nothing to do with Marx ......





Look, moron, look, with all your eyes, look:

"Not just" is NOT the same as "nothing to do with".


Now, if you have comprehended your moronic misinterpretation you could try again, intelligently, with signs of comprehending of what you are told. See if you are capable of it (I doubt it).


"not just, or even mainly"

My exaggeration was made to prove the point: gender and race were not Marx's chief concerns. 

Just as "zilch" was an exaggeration; Catholicism emerged after Christ was long dead.

So stop banging on about race and gender, and conflating them with Marx.

Your turn to show some intelligence.
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Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere.
Reply #1099 - Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:18am  
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 9:50am:
Frank wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 9:40am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 9:35am:
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 11:26am:
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 10:52am:
Progressivism“Gender,” Marxism, and the Search for Power
Critical gender theorists argue that gender is a defining element of society and is rooted in the struggle for power, and they provide direct references to Marxism.


Marx was only interested in the the role/status of women in the economy, so those "critical gender theorists" are talking out of their a*ses.

Quote:
Logically, then, queer theorists believe that the rejection of radical gender theories is the same as racial discrimination.


And nothing to do with Marx, you dummy.

google

"Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels said very little on the subject (LBGT rights)in their published works and what they did say was contemptuous. Marx in particular commented rarely on sexuality in general.





Marxism is NOT just, or even mainly, what Marx and Engels wrote.



Ok - good to know "Marxism" has got nothing to do with Marx ......





Look, moron, look, with all your eyes, look:

"Not just" is NOT the same as "nothing to do with".


Now, if you have comprehended your moronic misinterpretation you could try again, intelligently, with signs of comprehending of what you are told. See if you are capable of it (I doubt it).


"not just, or even mainly"

My exaggeration was made to prove the point: gender and race were not Marx's chief concerns. 

Just as "zilch" was an exaggeration; Catholicism emerged after Christ was long dead.

So stop banging on about race and gender, and conflating them with Marx.

Your turn to show some intelligence.

I told you - you are not able.

Marxism is a method of economic and social and historical analysis, combining earlier intellectual currents into dialectical materialism, historical materialism andscientific socialism.   
As such a method, it can be and has been applied to every aspect of economic, social and historical analysis, incuding race, gender, technology, post-colonialism, LGBT, imperialism, war, liberation theology, law and order, crime and punishment, anything and everything where a dialectic of disadvantage/advantage can be perceived.
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Reply #1100 - Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:31am  
Frank wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:18am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 9:50am:
Frank wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 9:40am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 9:35am:
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 1:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 11:26am:
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 10:52am:
Progressivism“Gender,” Marxism, and the Search for Power
Critical gender theorists argue that gender is a defining element of society and is rooted in the struggle for power, and they provide direct references to Marxism.


Marx was only interested in the the role/status of women in the economy, so those "critical gender theorists" are talking out of their a*ses.

Quote:
Logically, then, queer theorists believe that the rejection of radical gender theories is the same as racial discrimination.


And nothing to do with Marx, you dummy.

google

"Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels said very little on the subject (LBGT rights)in their published works and what they did say was contemptuous. Marx in particular commented rarely on sexuality in general.





Marxism is NOT just, or even mainly, what Marx and Engels wrote.



Ok - good to know "Marxism" has got nothing to do with Marx ......





Look, moron, look, with all your eyes, look:

"Not just" is NOT the same as "nothing to do with".


Now, if you have comprehended your moronic misinterpretation you could try again, intelligently, with signs of comprehending of what you are told. See if you are capable of it (I doubt it).


"not just, or even mainly"

My exaggeration was made to prove the point: gender and race were not Marx's chief concerns. 

Just as "zilch" was an exaggeration; Catholicism emerged after Christ was long dead.

So stop banging on about race and gender, and conflating them with Marx.

Your turn to show some intelligence.

I told you - you are not able.

Marxism is a method ....


Ok, a " method", as opposed to the man's actual teachings....

Got it.    

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As such a method, it can be and has been applied to every aspect of economic, social and historical analysis, incuding race, gender, technology, post-colonialism, LGBT, imperialism, war, liberation theology, law and order, crime and punishment, anything and everything where a dialectic of disadvantage/advantage can be perceived.


All inventions to avoid dealing with/analyzing real power disparities in society.
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Reply #1101 - Feb 27th, 2024 at 11:33am  
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:31am:
Frank wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:18am:
As such a method, it can be and has been applied to every aspect of economic, social and historical analysis, incuding race, gender, technology, post-colonialism, LGBT, imperialism, war, liberation theology, law and order, crime and punishment, anything and everything where a dialectic of disadvantage/advantage can be perceived.


All inventions to avoid dealing with/analyzing real power disparities in society.


So applying dialectical, Marxist analysis to areas of power disparities resulting in perceived disadvantage/advantage - is all inventions to avoid exactly such an analysis.

You are EVEN more mentally impaired/stupid than I thought - and I thought you were very stupid.
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Reply #1102 - Feb 27th, 2024 at 12:01pm  
Frank wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 11:33am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:31am:
Frank wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:18am:
As such a method, it can be and has been applied to every aspect of economic, social and historical analysis, incuding race, gender, technology, post-colonialism, LGBT, imperialism, war, liberation theology, law and order, crime and punishment, anything and everything where a dialectic of disadvantage/advantage can be perceived.


All inventions to avoid dealing with/analyzing real power disparities in society.


So applying dialectical, Marxist analysis to areas of power disparities resulting in perceived disadvantage/advantage - is all inventions to avoid exactly such an analysis.



Your error there: it's not Marx's own analysis of power disparities, but so-called "Marxist analysis", based on methods of analysis  created by Marx, but concerning topics ranging far outside Marx


Spot the difference? (or reveal your low IQ...ouch...) 


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Reply #1103 - Mar 1st, 2024 at 10:44am  
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
Your error there: it's not Marx's own analysis of power disparities, but so-called "Marxist analysis", based on methods of analysis  created by Marx, but concerning topics ranging far outside Marx


Spot the difference? (or reveal your low IQ...ouch...) 



Thank you, stupid.

Since when was Marxism restricted to what Marx and Engels wrote about?
Is Christianity restricted to what Christ said in the gospels? Buddhism to the words of the Buddha, fascism to what Mussolini said, nazism to Hitler's speeches and writing?

Any -ism is a methodical perspective on the world. Marxism is a dialectical materialist, historical materialist, scientific socialist way of looking at the world.

Come on, say some thing stupid.
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Reply #1104 - Mar 1st, 2024 at 11:04am  
Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2024 at 10:44am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
Your error there: it's not Marx's own analysis of power disparities, but so-called "Marxist analysis", based on methods of analysis  created by Marx, but concerning topics ranging far outside Marx


Spot the difference? (or reveal your low IQ...ouch...) 



Thank you, stupid.

Since when was Marxism restricted to what Marx and Engels wrote about?


Not since a few decades after his death - and that is the problem; much nonsense is said in Marx's name. 

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Is Christianity restricted to what Christ said in the gospels?
Buddhism to the words of the Buddha...


Ditto

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fascism to what Mussolini said, nazism to Hitler's speeches and writing?


With M and H we are getting into real specifics concerning the ideology of men who have been dead for less than a century - their actual  speeches (as well as actual writings, as opposed to 2nd hand reports in the case of Christ and Buddha) are recorded for all to see and hear.

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Any -ism is a methodical perspective on the world. Marxism is a dialectical materialist, historical materialist, scientific socialist way of looking at the world.


Yes - often with scant relationship to Marx; hence the garbage of "cultural Marxism".

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Come on, say some thing stupid.


No.
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Reply #1105 - Mar 1st, 2024 at 11:40am  
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_contributors_to_Marxist_theory


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism
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Reply #1106 - Mar 1st, 2024 at 11:50am  
Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2024 at 11:40am:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_contributors_to_Marxist_theory


Get back to us when the list of contributors to National Socialism as espoused by Hitler is a big as that list pontificating on 'Marxist theory'. 


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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism


"Neo" Marxism?

...a bit like neo-Keynesianism: nothing to do with Keynes.....
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Reply #1107 - Mar 1st, 2024 at 11:53am  
To the right Marxism is anything left of extreme right.

A huge percentage of the things they label as marxist is in fact right of centre.
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Reply #1108 - Mar 1st, 2024 at 12:24pm  
Marxism requires poverty -
hence importing millions of immigrants when there's no housing for them.


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Reply #1109 - Mar 1st, 2024 at 12:28pm  
Dnarever wrote on Mar 1st, 2024 at 11:53am:
To the right Marxism is anything left of extreme right.

A huge percentage of the things they label as marxist is in fact right of centre.

Such as?
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