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Reply #1320 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 2:55pm
 
I don’t have a TV, you pathetic piece of shit.

What evidence do you have for all the other names on your fatuous list?
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Reply #1321 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 2:56pm
 
Kat is D E A D you know.

FFS remove her from your S T U P I D  list!
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Reply #1322 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 2:59pm
 
Update 30th Nov 2024.
Monk's name removed because he didn't know he
was espousing cultural Marxist propaganda.
It was probably from watching too much ABC and SBS.

Kat is removed as she has passed away.



List as of today of Cultural Marxists who post on Ozpolitic:

LTYC,
FTLW,
Smith,
Greggy,
Mothra,
Athos,
AiA,
Jim,
Random,
Marla,
Dnarever. (fixed)
Brian,
AusGeoff.
TGD  - 
thegreatdivide

SadKangaroo -
a possible Marxist

Tallow 

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Reply #1323 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 3:03pm
 
My name was removed because you didn’t have a skerrick of evidence that I was a cultural marxist.

You are really pathetic.

Glad to see you removed Kat’s name after being told SEVERAL times that she is dead.

I will be back to work my way down your pathetic list to have you remove names one by one.
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Reply #1324 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 3:04pm
 
There is no member called Tallow.
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Reply #1325 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 3:15pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 3:04pm:
There is no member called Tallow.



You are forgiven

namaste

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Reply #1326 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 3:16pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 3:03pm:
My name was removed because you didn’t have a skerrick of evidence that I was a cultural marxist.

You are really pathetic.

Glad to see you removed Kat’s name after being told SEVERAL times that she is dead.

I will be back to work my way down your pathetic list to have you remove names one by one.



It is, of course, a slight exaggeration to say that no one is a Marxist anymore. Some people have not yet received the memo. There are also the “left libertarians,” who are the rump of 20th century academic Marxism (these are people who cling to the self-ownership claim, while seeking to block the anti-egalitarian conclusions that Nozick derived from it). There is also a recent mini-trend of “neo-Republican” Marxists, but they are basically just liberals, who instead of appealing to Rawls’s egalitarianism, instead want to rely on Philip Pettit’s “non-domination” norm (which I take to be just another flavour of liberalism) to reconstruct Marxism.

But beyond this, the collapse of academic Marxism – as a body of normatively motivated social criticism – has been complete. Hence the fundamental unseriousness of contemporary Marxism in public discourse. Popular Marxism (along with the sort of Gramscian or “cultural” Marxism one finds in critical studies departments) has become a religion without a theology. I can understand why some people might be reluctant to read serious Marxist theory, if the primary upshot is that it turns you into a liberal, but if the alternative is the style of aggressive, in-your-face stupidity found in Jacobin magazine (i.e. “I’m going to talk like a Marxist, even though none of it makes any sense, because you can’t stop me!”), then it seems to me a price worth paying.

Some people have failed to notice these trends, unfortunately, because there was no point at which any one person “refuted” Marxism. Serious thinkers, for the most part, just slowly drifted away from it, the way that guests at a party filter out of the living room into the kitchen, where the conversation is livelier. In this case, the conversation that they drifted toward was Rawlsianism. That is how Rawls wound up triumphing over Marxism – by rendering it superfluous, making it so that no one needed to be a Marxist any more.

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Reply #1327 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 3:22pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 3:16pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 3:03pm:
My name was removed because you didn’t have a skerrick of evidence that I was a cultural marxist.

You are really pathetic.

Glad to see you removed Kat’s name after being told SEVERAL times that she is dead.

I will be back to work my way down your pathetic list to have you remove names one by one.



It is, of course, a slight exaggeration to say that no one is a Marxist anymore. Some people have not yet received the memo. There are also the “left libertarians,” who are the rump of 20th century academic Marxism (these are people who cling to the self-ownership claim, while seeking to block the anti-egalitarian conclusions that Nozick derived from it). There is also a recent mini-trend of “neo-Republican” Marxists, but they are basically just liberals, who instead of appealing to Rawls’s egalitarianism, instead want to rely on Philip Pettit’s “non-domination” norm (which I take to be just another flavour of liberalism) to reconstruct Marxism.

But beyond this, the collapse of academic Marxism – as a body of normatively motivated social criticism – has been complete. Hence the fundamental unseriousness of contemporary Marxism in public discourse. Popular Marxism (along with the sort of Gramscian or “cultural” Marxism one finds in critical studies departments) has become a religion without a theology. I can understand why some people might be reluctant to read serious Marxist theory, if the primary upshot is that it turns you into a liberal, but if the alternative is the style of aggressive, in-your-face stupidity found in Jacobin magazine (i.e. “I’m going to talk like a Marxist, even though none of it makes any sense, because you can’t stop me!”), then it seems to me a price worth paying.

Some people have failed to notice these trends, unfortunately, because there was no point at which any one person “refuted” Marxism. Serious thinkers, for the most part, just slowly drifted away from it, the way that guests at a party filter out of the living room into the kitchen, where the conversation is livelier. In this case, the conversation that they drifted toward was Rawlsianism. That is how Rawls wound up triumphing over Marxism – by rendering it superfluous, making it so that no one needed to be a Marxist any more.




he's an interesting character.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rawls#:~:text=Rawls's%20theory%20of%20%22just...


John Bordley Rawls (/rɔːlz/;[2] February 21, 1921 – November 24, 2002) was an American moral, legal and political philosopher in the modern liberal tradition.[3][4] Rawls has been described as one of the most influential political philosophers of the 20th century.[5]

In 1990, Will Kymlicka wrote in his introduction to the field that "it is generally accepted that the recent rebirth of normative political philosophy began with the publication of John Rawls's A Theory of Justice in 1971".[6][7] Rawls's theory of "justice as fairness" recommends equal basic liberties, equality of opportunity, and facilitating the maximum benefit to the least advantaged members of society in any case where inequalities may occur. Rawls's argument for these principles of social justice uses a thought experiment called the "original position", in which people deliberately select what kind of society they would choose to live in if they did not know which social position they would personally occupy. In his later work Political Liberalism (1993), Rawls turned to the question of how political power could be made legitimate given reasonable disagreement about the nature of the good life.
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Reply #1328 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 3:24pm
 
Liberalism Cannot Produce Outcomes Satisfactory to Liberals

The conversation reflects the quintessential condition of 21st century liberal/progressive Democrat/Labor politics: a couple of fundamentally good guys imagining a more just world that their core political philosophy has absolutely no ability to bring about.
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Reply #1329 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 3:30pm
 

Frank wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 3:27pm:
Please Just ****ing Tell Me What Term I Am Allowed to Use for the Sweeping Social and Political Changes You Demand


You know personally I’ve been achingly specific about my critiques of social justice politics, but fine - no woke, it’s a “dogwhistle” for racism. (The term “dogwhistle” is a way for people to simply impute attitudes you don’t hold onto you, to make it easier to dismiss criticism, for the record.) But the same people say there’s no such thing as political correctness, and they also say identity politics is a bigoted term. So I’m kind of at a loss. Also, they propose sweeping changes to K-12 curricula, but you can’t call it CRT, even though the curricular documents specifically reference CRT, and if you do you’re an idiot and also you’re a racist cryptofascist. Also nobody (nobody!) ever advocated for defunding the police, and if they did it didn’t actually mean defunding the police. Seems to be a real resistance to simple, comprehensible terms around here. Serwer is a guy who constantly demands that he and his allies be allowed to do politics on easy mode, but he’s just part of a broader communal rejection of basic self-definition and comprehensible terms for this political tendency. Also if you say things they don’t like they might try to beat you up. Emphasis on try.

If you ask these people, are you part of a social revolution?, they’ll loudly tell you yes! Yes they are! They’re going to shake society at its very foundations. Well, OK then -what do I call your movement? You reject every name that organically develops! I’ll use the name you pick, but you have to actually pick one. You can’t just bitch on Twitter every time someone tries to describe your political cohort, which again you yourself say intends to change the world. Name yourself or you will be named.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211108155321/https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/...



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Reply #1330 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 7:12pm
 
Idiot, why do you have LTYC as a Cultural Marxist?

I doubt he is anywhere near that position.

I want details, not that you have them.

So—why is LTYC on your stupid list?


Answer please!
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Reply #1331 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 7:51pm
 
Booby?
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Reply #1332 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 7:54pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 7:12pm:
Idiot, why do you have LTYC as a Cultural Marxist?

I doubt he is anywhere near that position.

I want details, not that you have them.

So—why is LTYC on your stupid list?


Answer please!

Answer this question first:



Please Just ****ing Tell Me What Term I Am Allowed to Use for the Sweeping Social and Political Changes You Demand




If you ask these people, are you part of a social revolution?, they’ll loudly tell you yes! Yes they are! They’re going to shake society at its very foundations. Well, OK then -what do I call your movement? You reject every name that organically develops! I’ll use the name you pick, but you have to actually pick one. You can’t just bitch on Twitter every time someone tries to describe your political cohort, which again you yourself say intends to change the world. Name yourself or you will be named.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211108155321/https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/
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Reply #1333 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 8:00pm
 
Please Just ****ing Tell Me What Term I Am Allowed to Use for the Sweeping Social and Political Changes You Demand



You are not woke, not pc, not sjw, not CRT, not progs, lefties, Marxists, cultural Marxist, Antifa, blm, not anything.


Are you part of a social revolution? Or are you for maintaining the status quo?

Well, OK then -what do I call your movement? You reject every name that organically develops! I’ll use the name you pick, but you have to actually pick one. You can’t just bitch on Twitter every time someone tries to describe your political cohort, which again you yourself say intends to change the world. Name yourself or you will be named.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211108155321/https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/...


If not cultural Marxists, what then? What shall we call you?


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Reply #1334 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 8:03pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 7:12pm:
Idiot, why do you have LTYC as a Cultural Marxist?

I doubt he is anywhere near that position.

I want details, not that you have them.

So—why is LTYC on your stupid list?


Answer please!


It is fairly simple - to Bobby anyone who isn't a crazy ultra right lunatic has to be a Cultural Marxist.

He only has 2 catagories.
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