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Reply #300 - Apr 20^th, 2023 at 2:58pm

Frank wrote on Apr 20^th, 2023 at 1:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 19^th, 2023 at 8:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 19^th, 2023 at 5:55pm:

The difference between the faulty communist systems and the faulty capitalist systems is that the communist one failed first.

What we are doing is clearly not working.

Not sure about that. Capitalism has always had socialism to bail it out. It has always been capitalise the wins, socialise the losses. Even before the great depression.

State intervention in a capitalist economy is not socialism.
Taxation and wealth redistribution, social security, state controlled armed forces, state controlled foreign relations are not socialism.

Marxist ideology and methods of social and political analysis are present in capitalist economies, education systems, civil society bodies and NGOs. They do not make a country socialist, even if they are among to do so through their efforts.

Marxists control the media hence our Aunty ABC.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103034 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere. Reply #302 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:22pm Cultural Marxists are so powerful they have even forced changes in children's books:
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103034 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere. Reply #303 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 10:34pm
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12461 Gender:	Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere. Reply #305 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 2:49pm The thread is of course a dead-end and only good for a laugh, because the terms are not - and cannot be - clearly defined. Which is why deluded ideologues can have a field day....
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103034 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere. Reply #306 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 2:55pm thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 2:49pm: The thread is of course a dead-end and only good for a laugh, because the terms are not - and cannot be - clearly defined. Which is why deluded ideologues can have a field day.... It's clearly defined in the opening post. forgiven namaste
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Reply #307 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 2:55pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 2:49pm:

The thread is of course a dead-end and only good for a laugh, because the terms are not - and cannot be - clearly defined.

Which is why deluded ideologues can have a field day....

It's clearly defined in the opening post.

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Thanks.

"While Marx's Communist Manifesto focused on the alleged class struggle between bourgeois (owners of the means of production) and proletariat (workers)..."

Not "alleged", the struggle was real - with workers' kids forced to forgo education and work in coal mines to supplement the family's income..

"Marx did address culture, which he intimated would change after his economic vision was implemented."

So "cultural marxism" was defined by others who came after him. ..eg:

" Patrick Buchanan argues that Cultural Marxism succeeded where Marx failed.[7] Marxism has permeated the American Left."[8]

And I'll argue that's waffle serving Buchanan's purposes, since "the means of production" have changed markedly since Marx's day, including increasing automation and the need for government intervention in markets, to avoid social revolution.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103034 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere. Reply #308 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:59pm Hi Mr Divide, Cultural Marxism seems to cover many issues these days - including pro trannies, pro gay, pro white guilt, anti-racism, political correctness - the list is expanding on a daily basis.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44576 Gender:	Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere. Reply #309 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 4:11pm
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Reply #310 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 4:36pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 2:55pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 2:49pm:

The thread is of course a dead-end and only good for a laugh, because the terms are not - and cannot be - clearly defined.

Which is why deluded ideologues can have a field day....

It's clearly defined in the opening post.

forgiven

namaste

Thanks.

"While Marx's Communist Manifesto focused on the alleged class struggle between bourgeois (owners of the means of production) and proletariat (workers)..."

Not "alleged", the struggle was real - with workers' kids forced to forgo education and work in coal mines to supplement the family's income..

"Marx did address culture, which he intimated would change after his economic vision was implemented."

So "cultural marxism" was defined by others who came after him. ..eg:

" Patrick Buchanan argues that Cultural Marxism succeeded where Marx failed.[7] Marxism has permeated the American Left."[8]

And I'll argue that's waffle serving Buchanan's purposes, since "the means of production" have changed markedly since Marx's day, including increasing automation and the need for government intervention in markets, to avoid social revolution.

Silly as usual.

Marxist analysis and methodology are the foundation of the lefty, progressive ideology. The engine of this ideology is not and never has been the proletariat, the working class. It has always been the intelligentsia: academics, media commentators, artists, writers, journalists.
As an economist, Marx and his followers are negligible. As cultural agitators they are formidable since they frame social and cultural discourse as a perpetual dialectical struggle: class struggle, race, gender, colonial, generational struggle, [your antagonism here] struggle.

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Reply #311 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 7:19pm

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As a conspiracy promoted by the far-right, Cultural Marxism has gained ground over the past quarter century. In its dominant iteration, the US-originating conspiracy holds that a small group of Marxist critical theorists have conspired to destroy Western civilisation by taking over key cultural institutions.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504630.2020.1787822?journalCode=cs...

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The term "Cultural Marxism" refers to a far-right anti-Semitic conspiracy theory which claims that Western Marxism is the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture. The conspiracy theory misrepresents the Frankfurt School as being responsible for modern progressive movements, identity politics, and political correctness, claiming there is an ongoing and intentional subversion of Western society via a planned culture war that undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism and seeks to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

looks like "Cultural Marxism" is the rights excuse for crying about Mr Potato Head or the green M&M.

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Reply #312 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 8:01pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

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As a conspiracy promoted by the far-right, Cultural Marxism has gained ground over the past quarter century. In its dominant iteration, the US-originating conspiracy holds that a small group of Marxist critical theorists have conspired to destroy Western civilisation by taking over key cultural institutions.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504630.2020.1787822?journalCode=cs...

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The term "Cultural Marxism" refers to a far-right anti-Semitic conspiracy theory which claims that Western Marxism is the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture. The conspiracy theory misrepresents the Frankfurt School as being responsible for modern progressive movements, identity politics, and political correctness, claiming there is an ongoing and intentional subversion of Western society via a planned culture war that undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism and seeks to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

looks like "Cultural Marxism" is the rights excuse for crying about Mr Potato Head or the green M&M.

It's Wiki bollocks.

The Frankfurt School is real. The New School in NY is real. Adorno, Horkheimer, Foucault et al are real.

You are a duck. A real fowl. Gobble more peas, that's your intellectual strength.

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Reply #313 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 8:30pm

Frank wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 8:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

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As a conspiracy promoted by the far-right, Cultural Marxism has gained ground over the past quarter century. In its dominant iteration, the US-originating conspiracy holds that a small group of Marxist critical theorists have conspired to destroy Western civilisation by taking over key cultural institutions.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504630.2020.1787822?journalCode=cs...

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The term "Cultural Marxism" refers to a far-right anti-Semitic conspiracy theory which claims that Western Marxism is the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture. The conspiracy theory misrepresents the Frankfurt School as being responsible for modern progressive movements, identity politics, and political correctness, claiming there is an ongoing and intentional subversion of Western society via a planned culture war that undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism and seeks to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

looks like "Cultural Marxism" is the rights excuse for crying about Mr Potato Head or the green M&M.

It's Wiki bollocks.

The Frankfurt School is real. The New School in NY is real. Adorno, Horkheimer, Foucault et al are real.

You are a duck. A real fowl. Gobble more peas, that's your intellectual strength.

It's a school - in Germany ??? The conspiracy theory started in the US and is a misrepresentation of the Frankfurt school's work. They have nothing to do with the rights fixation on Disney characters and Dr Suess

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Frankfurt School offers excellent study programmes for participants with various professional backgrounds and experiences, enabling every student to find the programme that suits them best. Students have the option to study at our campus in Frankfurt, in the financial metropolis of Europe. We also offer selected study programmes at our campus in Hamburg and at our study centre in Munich.

Frankfurt School offers education and training for ambitious people. Through our strong combination of theory and practice, students are prepared for a successful international business career. We offer study programmes that allow for complete flexibility. Students can choose to study full-time, part-time or in our unique 3-day model. In addition to our Bachelor's and Master's degree programmes, Frankfurt School offers MBA programmes and a Doctoral programme, as well as Executive Education courses.

https://www.frankfurt-school.de/en/home/programmes/master

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Reply #314 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 8:58pm

Frank wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 4:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 3:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 2:55pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 2:49pm:

The thread is of course a dead-end and only good for a laugh, because the terms are not - and cannot be - clearly defined.

Which is why deluded ideologues can have a field day....

It's clearly defined in the opening post.

forgiven

namaste

Thanks.

"While Marx's Communist Manifesto focused on the alleged class struggle between bourgeois (owners of the means of production) and proletariat (workers)..."

Not "alleged", the struggle was real - with workers' kids forced to forgo education and work in coal mines to supplement the family's income..

"Marx did address culture, which he intimated would change after his economic vision was implemented."

So "cultural marxism" was defined by others who came after him. ..eg:

" Patrick Buchanan argues that Cultural Marxism succeeded where Marx failed.[7] Marxism has permeated the American Left."[8]

And I'll argue that's waffle serving Buchanan's purposes, since "the means of production" have changed markedly since Marx's day, including increasing automation and the need for government intervention in markets, to avoid social revolution.

Silly as usual.

Waiting for the substantive argument...

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Marxist analysis and methodology are the foundation of the lefty, progressive ideology.

Well, "lefty progressive ideology" has many manifestations, does Albo comply? Today Albo is sounding like the neoclassical-trained economist he is.

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The engine of this ideology is not and never has been the proletariat, the working class. It has always been the intelligentsia: academics, media commentators, artists, writers, journalists.

But note: RW populists like Howard, Johnson, and Trump have cleverly captured the working class ("Howard's battlers") because neoclassical economists have destroyed the post-war Keynesian 'welfare state'.

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As an economist, Marx and his followers are negligible.

Marx is one of the most influential writers in history, if not as an economist. Some of his followers started revolutions in Russia and China (though not what Marx had in mind).

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As cultural agitators they are formidable since they frame social and cultural discourse as a perpetual dialectical struggle: class struggle, race, gender, colonial, generational struggle, [your antagonism here] struggle.

Yes, because central bankers have bamboozled everyone re the nature of money, which means we are all forever pitted against one another and - as "taxpayers", the government itself.

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