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Reply #435 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 12:08pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 12:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 11:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 11:54am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 10:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 10:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 10:02pm:

OH - Of course she is the one just left of centre screen with the big ears.

What a troll. Grin

Yep - She certainly is. I am glad that we do agree on some things.

Where do you think it is ? Under the table ?

You're a troll -
the message is simple -
if you're a left wing voter you support the ideas of Karl Marx.

"Despair"

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if you're a left wing voter you support the ideas of Karl Marx.

I suspect that you have no idea how silly that is.

OH - I still don't know where it is.

Does this picture help you?

Do you have one that looks like Karl Marx.

Or even one for my type of Marxism ?

Besides Karl was never a cultural Marxist like these guys.

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Reply #438 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 12:44pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 5:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 4:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 2:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 10:53pm:

No, I'm a real "Marxist", not a "cultural" marxist:

"Patrick Buchanan argues that Cultural Marxism succeeded where Marx failed."

I'm for the Marxism which is a work in progress, and is yet to succeed, to create 'common prosperity'.

You're a cultural Marxist because that is a subset of real Marxists.

"The central idea of Cultural Marxism is to soften up and prepare Western Civilization for economic Marxism".

So.... "economic Marxism" = common prosperity, is the goal of 'cultural' Marxists, to be achieved[b] by attacking conservative cultural shibboleths. [/b]

According to your blind, reptilian-brain-driven conservative ideology.

For my part, I want to bypass all that nonsense, and enable governments to implement common prosperity:

"The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Thomas Jefferson

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/104/164/314/original/7bfc88...

See the errors your blind reptilian brain driven ideology leads you (from the top of the diagram, clockwise).

Errors fixed for you:

1. replace "establish a new communist utopia" with 'introduce a job guarantee'; nothing "utopian" about it, easily done at the local council level.

2. replace "rob or kill the successful" with 'fund the JG' via the government's money creation/issuing power (taking account of the nation's available resources).

3. replace "force the rest to work for free" with "legislate the JG wage is an above poverty wage" .

4. replace "run out of food" with 'ensure farmers have an assured income regardless of market conditions'.

5. replace "starve to death" with 'produce good quality food' (not sugar alcohol wine)

6. replace "say it wasn't real communism" with the simple fact: 'Starvation isn't real communism', and certainly Marx did not envisage it. On the contrary Marx envisioned "common prosperity".

See how easy it is to dispose of your your blind 'freedom values'/ 'prosperity for all is utopian' nonsense?

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Reply #439 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 2:31pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 12:44pm:

See the errors your blind reptilian brain driven ideology leads you (from the top of the diagram, clockwise).

Errors fixed for you:

1. replace "establish a new communist utopia" with 'introduce a job guarantee'; nothing "utopian" about it, easily done at the local council level.

2. replace "rob or kill the successful" with 'fund the JG' via the government's money creation/issuing power (taking account of the nation's available resources).

3. replace "force the rest to work for free" with "legislate the JG wage is an above poverty wage" .

4. replace "run out of food" with 'ensure farmers have an assured income regardless of market conditions'.

5. replace "starve to death" with 'produce good quality food' (not sugar alcohol wine)

6. replace "say it wasn't real communism" with the simple fact: 'Starvation isn't real communism', and certainly Marx did not envisage it. On the contrary Marx envisioned "common prosperity".

See how easy it is to dispose of your your blind 'freedom values'/ 'prosperity for all is utopian' nonsense?

Communism always led to starvation.
Just Google it - it's already been well covered on Ozpolitic.
Do some homework. Roll Eyes

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Reply #440 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 6:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 2:31pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 12:44pm:

See the errors your blind reptilian brain driven ideology leads you (from the top of the diagram, clockwise).

Errors fixed for you:

1. replace "establish a new communist utopia" with 'introduce a job guarantee'; nothing "utopian" about it, easily done at the local council level.

2. replace "rob or kill the successful" with 'fund the JG' via the government's money creation/issuing power (taking account of the nation's available resources).

3. replace "force the rest to work for free" with "legislate the JG wage is an above poverty wage" .

4. replace "run out of food" with 'ensure farmers have an assured income regardless of market conditions'.

5. replace "starve to death" with 'produce good quality food' (not sugar alcohol wine)

6. replace "say it wasn't real communism" with the simple fact: 'Starvation isn't real communism', and certainly Marx did not envisage it. On the contrary Marx envisioned "common prosperity".

See how easy it is to dispose of your your blind 'freedom values'/ 'prosperity for all is utopian' nonsense?

Communism always led to starvation.
Just Google it - it's already been well covered on Ozpolitic.
Do some homework. Roll Eyes

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/104/164/314/original/7bfc88...

Your errors again obvious to all, except blind reptilain brain driven ideologues.

1. The "Communist Manifesto" did not see communism first arising in subsistence agricultural economies like Russia and China, but in industrialized European states.

Hence Marxism is not responsible for Stalinist or Maoist "communism", in economies in which a majority of workers were still enagaged in subsistance agriculture - just as George Orwell - a socialist - understood.

Of course Soviet manufacturing increased during WW2 when the nation's existance was at state; and indeed in war, free markets in ALL countries are swept aside.

Whereas today, China - in search of common prosperity - is seeking the happy medium between government control of the economy, and private enterprise in free markets.

...while the US is displaying its sickening level of inequality and entrenched poverty to the whole world, with half the population living pay-check to paycheck - and only an illness away from bankruptcy.

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Reply #441 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 6:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 6:03pm:

Your errors again obvious to all, except blind reptilain brain driven ideologues.

1. The "Communist Manifesto" did not see communism first arising in subsistence agricultural economies like Russia and China, but in industrialized European states.

Hence Marxism is not responsible for Stalinist or Maoist "communism", in economies in which a majority of workers were still enagaged in subsistance agriculture - just as George Orwell - a socialist - understood.

Of course Soviet manufacturing increased during WW2 when the nation's existance was at state; and indeed in war, free markets in ALL countries are swept aside.

Whereas today, China - in search of common prosperity - is seeking the happy medium between government control of the economy, and private enterprise in free markets.

...while the US is displaying its sickening level of inequality and entrenched poverty to the whole world, with half the population living pay-check to paycheck - and only an illness away from bankruptcy.

Listen comrade,
communism has never worked anywhere that it's been tried.

Study the Kibbutz ideas in Israel -
it mostly ended in despair.
Some people bludged all day watching TV and expected the
same return as those who worked like hell from dawn till dusk every day.

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Reply #442 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 6:30pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 6:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 6:03pm:

Your errors again obvious to all, except blind reptilain brain driven ideologues.

1. The "Communist Manifesto" did not see communism first arising in subsistence agricultural economies like Russia and China, but in industrialized European states.

Hence Marxism is not responsible for Stalinist or Maoist "communism", in economies in which a majority of workers were still enagaged in subsistance agriculture - just as George Orwell - a socialist - understood.

Of course Soviet manufacturing increased during WW2 when the nation's existance was at state; and indeed in war, free markets in ALL countries are swept aside.

Whereas today, China - in search of common prosperity - is seeking the happy medium between government control of the economy, and private enterprise in free markets.

...while the US is displaying its sickening level of inequality and entrenched poverty to the whole world, with half the population living pay-check to paycheck - and only an illness away from bankruptcy.

Listen comrade,
communism has never worked anywhere that it's been tried.

Listen you blind ideologue, Marxism is different to your communism.

Just as government rightfully taking back the money issuing power is not the communism we have seen in the past.

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Study the Kibbutz ideas in Israel -
it mostly ended in despair.
Some people bludged all day watching TV and expected the
same return as those who worked like hell from dawn till dusk every day.

And yet work for all can be implemented - at the local level - funded by the federal government acting as employer of last resort (ELR), with local government setting tasks needed to be peformed - not by watching TV.

...while the US is displaying its sickening level of inequality and entrenched poverty to the whole world, with half the population living pay-check to paycheck - and only an illness away from bankruptcy.

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Reply #443 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 6:51pm

Listen Mr Divide,
it sounds good but it doesn't work in reality.
Show me anywhere where Marxism or communism has worked?

People in Soviet Russia lived way below the poverty line even
if they were advanced university graduates.
In the 1970s I heard of Soviet engineers with university degrees
working for less than $40 per month who had to stand in long lines
to buy a loaf of bread.
It took 10 years to order and buy a car on a long waiting list
for those wealthy enough to buy one.

In China 50 million people starved to death under communism.

The Marxist Kibbutz ideas didn't work in Israel.

Communist Cuba is still in extreme poverty after going communist over 55 years ago.
They can't seem to get out of it.

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Reply #444 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 7:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 6:51pm:

Listen Mr Divide,
it sounds good but it doesn't work in reality.
Show me anywhere where Marxism or communism has worked?

People in Soviet Russia lived way below the poverty line even
if they were advanced university graduates.
In the 1970s I heard of Soviet engineers with university degrees
working for less than $40 per month who had to stand in long lines
to buy a loaf of bread.
It took 10 years to order and buy a car on a long waiting list
for those wealthy enough to buy one.

In China 50 million people starved to death under communism.

The Marxist Kibbutz ideas didn't work in Israel.

Communist Cuba is still in extreme poverty after going communist over 55 years ago.
They can't seem to get out of it.

Perhaps they are not allowed to? Does the US still have sanctions on them ?

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Reply #445 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 7:06pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 7:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 6:51pm:

Listen Mr Divide,
it sounds good but it doesn't work in reality.
Show me anywhere where Marxism or communism has worked?

People in Soviet Russia lived way below the poverty line even
if they were advanced university graduates.
In the 1970s I heard of Soviet engineers with university degrees
working for less than $40 per month who had to stand in long lines
to buy a loaf of bread.
It took 10 years to order and buy a car on a long waiting list
for those wealthy enough to buy one.

In China 50 million people starved to death under communism.

The Marxist Kibbutz ideas didn't work in Israel.

Communist Cuba is still in extreme poverty after going communist over 55 years ago.
They can't seem to get out of it.

Perhaps they are not allowed to? Does the US still have sanctions on them ?

That's true - the sanctions didn't help Cuba but
their extreme poverty can't be blamed on that.
They could have traded with 100s of other countries.

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Reply #446 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 7:14pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 7:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 7:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 6:51pm:

Listen Mr Divide,
it sounds good but it doesn't work in reality.
Show me anywhere where Marxism or communism has worked?

People in Soviet Russia lived way below the poverty line even
if they were advanced university graduates.
In the 1970s I heard of Soviet engineers with university degrees
working for less than $40 per month who had to stand in long lines
to buy a loaf of bread.
It took 10 years to order and buy a car on a long waiting list
for those wealthy enough to buy one.

In China 50 million people starved to death under communism.

The Marxist Kibbutz ideas didn't work in Israel.

Communist Cuba is still in extreme poverty after going communist over 55 years ago.
They can't seem to get out of it.

Perhaps they are not allowed to? Does the US still have sanctions on them ?

That's true - the sanctions didn't help Cuba but
their extreme poverty can't be blamed on that.
They could have traded with 100s of other countries.

When you are locked out of trading with neighbours because of US sanctions and the US influence in the region... I suspect you'd be SOL.

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Reply #449 - Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 7:36pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 7:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 7:30pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2023 at 7:14pm:

When you are locked out of trading with neighbours because of US sanctions and the US influence in the region... I suspect you'd be SOL.

Are you a communist?

Jump to 2:40

No.

I got these Russian shoes with my feet coming through -
what you want me to do -
stay there do nothing?

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