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Reply #540 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 12:45pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 12:18pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 11:57am:
Looks like Frank is a Marxist! Do you call people “Comrade” Frank?

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Ah... so NOT buying your AGW agit-prop and your completely tendentious misrepresentation of conservative outlook makes ME a Marxist??

Your logic and command of the facts and arguments remain as shaky and tenuous as to be expected from a Juvenile Wanker.
You must be that other duck next to Jemima,  gobbling peas.




No, you were quoting Lenin and stuff—that is enough for the idiot Booby to call you a cultural marxist. I told the simpleton I had owned and flicked through Das Kapital and that was enough for the intellectual pygmy to label me a Cultural Marxist.

So, Good day, Comrade as they say in CMism.
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Reply #541 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 1:29pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 10:05am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:11am:
Frank is a conservative in a time of rapid change. Like lee he hates the idea of AGW because it brings change and tackling AGW will lead to even more change so he decries all energy that is not from burning oil, coal or gas, ridiculing wind and solar energy.

Social change is also anathema to conservatives.

Conservatives just wanting to hold onto the present and preferring the past have nothing to offer.


Very stupid, Juvenile.

Conservatism is not about holding onto an unchanging past.  Like all conserving - nature conservation, art conservation, fruit preserving, libraries, museums, galleries, souvenirs, etc, etc - it is about holding on to what is good and therefore what is loved. It has never, ever, been about changing nothing.

Just in social reform, some of the greatest reforms have been by conservatives. For example, the first franchise law in England, the Reform act, was a Conservative reform. As was the franchise given to women in 1018. Slavery in the British Empire was abolished by the Tories.

In Australia, it was the Liberal Holt government that ended the White Australia policy, a reform opposed by Labor and the Unions (just as the abolition of slavery in the US was opposed by the Dems). Were these acts of holding on to the past??  The 1967 referendum was under conservative management, as was the 1999 one.

There are lots of other examples. The real point is that conservative reform is ongoing but crucially, it comes from the bottom up, not imposed on ideological grounds from the top down, like most progressive lefty reforms. Social change IMPOSED FROM ABOVE ON IDEOLOGICAL GROUNDS is anathema to conservatives, Juvenile, not change itself.

AGW is a lie. There is no way to prove - only to assume and then model - that human-generated CO2 is the defining driver of climate.

Solar and wind turbines are ridiculed not because the idea is bad but because they are ineffective at this stage yet are ideologically foisted on society. After all, wind powered mills and ships for millenia.





I loved reading the above post.

Knowledgeable wordsmiths always stand out for me.
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Reply #542 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 2:53pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 1:29pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 10:05am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 9:11am:
Frank is a conservative in a time of rapid change. Like lee he hates the idea of AGW because it brings change and tackling AGW will lead to even more change so he decries all energy that is not from burning oil, coal or gas, ridiculing wind and solar energy.

Social change is also anathema to conservatives.

Conservatives just wanting to hold onto the present and preferring the past have nothing to offer.


Very stupid, Juvenile.

Conservatism is not about holding onto an unchanging past.  Like all conserving - nature conservation, art conservation, fruit preserving, libraries, museums, galleries, souvenirs, etc, etc - it is about holding on to what is good and therefore what is loved. It has never, ever, been about changing nothing.

Just in social reform, some of the greatest reforms have been by conservatives. For example, the first franchise law in England, the Reform act, was a Conservative reform. As was the franchise given to women in 1018. Slavery in the British Empire was abolished by the Tories.

In Australia, it was the Liberal Holt government that ended the White Australia policy, a reform opposed by Labor and the Unions (just as the abolition of slavery in the US was opposed by the Dems). Were these acts of holding on to the past??  The 1967 referendum was under conservative management, as was the 1999 one.

There are lots of other examples. The real point is that conservative reform is ongoing but crucially, it comes from the bottom up, not imposed on ideological grounds from the top down, like most progressive lefty reforms. Social change IMPOSED FROM ABOVE ON IDEOLOGICAL GROUNDS is anathema to conservatives, Juvenile, not change itself.

AGW is a lie. There is no way to prove - only to assume and then model - that human-generated CO2 is the defining driver of climate.

Solar and wind turbines are ridiculed not because the idea is bad but because they are ineffective at this stage yet are ideologically foisted on society. After all, wind powered mills and ships for millenia.





I loved reading the above post.

Knowledgeable wordsmiths always stand out for me.


NA - Its just Frank.
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Reply #543 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 3:01pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 11:57am:
Looks like Frank is a Marxist! Do you call people “Comrade” Frank?

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NO - Comrade Frank would do no such thing. Though he does have a preference for "salvation" Frank as his interjection.
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Reply #544 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 3:29pm
 
Comrade Frank has a sore end  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #545 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 3:35pm
 
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Conservatism is not about holding onto an unchanging past.  Like all conserving - nature conservation, art conservation, fruit preserving, libraries, museums, galleries, souvenirs, etc, etc - it is about holding on to what is good and therefore what is loved. It has never, ever, been about changing nothing.


That's not entirely true. There are conservatives and there are conservatives. Some tolerate some progressive reform and others do not. When reform happens from conservatives, it's more likely because there is a widespread progressive social movement afoot. That is, their arm is twisted.

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Just in social reform, some of the greatest reforms have been by conservatives. For example, the first franchise law in England, the Reform act, was a Conservative reform. As was the franchise given to women in 1018. Slavery in the British Empire was abolished by the Tories.


The push for electoral reform and expanding voting rights had been building up for years, and the Reform Act was a response to growing public pressure and demands for political change.

The Reform Act aimed to address long-standing issues of corruption and unequal representation in Parliament, and its passage was influenced by various political forces, including reformist Whigs and popular pressure from outside Parliament. The act fell short of granting universal suffrage and still excluded the vast majority of the population from voting.

The 1918 Act did not grant voting rights to all women. It primarily extended the right to vote to women over the age of 30 who met certain property qualifications. It also expanded the voting rights for men, lowering the voting age and increasing the male electorate.

It wasn't until the Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act 1928 that voting rights were fully equalized, and women were granted the right to vote on the same terms as men, regardless of age or property qualifications.

The extension of voting rights to women in the United Kingdom was the result of a long and arduous campaign by the women's suffrage movement.

The suffrage movement in the UK consisted of suffragists and suffragettes. Suffragists, led by organizations like the National Union of Women's Suffrage Societies (NUWSS),

They believed in challenging the status quo and seeking social and political reforms to promote gender equality and women'

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In Australia, it was the Liberal Holt government that ended the White Australia policy, a reform opposed by Labor and the Unions (just as the abolition of slavery in the US was opposed by the Dems). Were these acts of holding on to the past??  The 1967 referendum was under conservative management, as was the 1999 one.
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The policy's dismantling was a gradual process that began before Holt's time and continued under his successor, John Gorton. Additionally, elements of the policy persisted in various forms even after its formal abolition.

The historical context of the White Australia policy involves multiple factors, including shifts in public opinion, international pressure, and changing attitudes towards immigration.

While the Liberal Party was in power during the formal end of the policy, both major political parties in Australia had, at different points, supported the White Australia policy in the past.

Characterizing the policy's end as solely a conservative reform and the opposition as a stance of the Labor Party and unions oversimplifies the complexities of the political landscape at the time.

To say the 1967 and 1999 referendums were under conservative management, doesn't really say anything. It overlooks everything that was going on before and at the time.

With respect to the 1999 referendum, the push for a Republic was seen on both sides of politics. And do note, John Howard was  and is a Monarchist.  Grin

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AGW is a lie. There is no way to prove - only to assume and then model - that human-generated CO2 is the defining driver of climate.


If you know anything about science, nothing is proven like a mathematical theorem or deductive argument. The weight of evidence and prediction, to the best of our knowledge, confirms AGW.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), an international body of climate scientists, has produced extensive reports based on rigorous scientific research, concluding that human activities, particularly the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation, are the primary drivers of the observed global warming trend. The vast majority of climate scientists and scientific organizations worldwide support the conclusion that AGW is real and presents a significant challenge to our planet.

The evidence supporting AGW is based on extensive observations, measurements, and empirical data. Climate scientists use a combination of historical climate records, laboratory experiments, satellite data, and climate models to understand the Earth's climate system.

The consistency between observed climate changes and model projections reinforces confidence in the conclusions drawn about AGW.

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Solar and wind turbines are ridiculed not because the idea is bad but because they are ineffective at this stage yet are ideologically foisted on society.



False. Both solar and wind power have made significant advancements over the years and are now established as viable and effective sources of renewables. They are well integrated into the energy mix and are effective in combating AGW.
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Reply #546 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 3:47pm
 
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It wasn't until the Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act 1928 that voting rights were fully equalized, and women were granted the right to vote on the same terms as men, regardless of age or property qualifications.

The extension of voting rights to women in the United Kingdom was the result of a long and arduous campaign by the women's suffrage movement.


Under a Conservative government, in response to bottom up reform initiatives and efforts.

Exactly what I am arguing:
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The real point is that conservative reform is ongoing but crucially, it comes from the bottom up, not imposed on ideological grounds from the top down, like most progressive lefty reforms. Social change IMPOSED FROM ABOVE ON IDEOLOGICAL GROUNDS is anathema to conservatives, Juvenile, not change itself.




As for the rest of your post
I didnt argue that it is solely conservatives who introduce reform,mas you try to twist my argument. My point was in response Juvenile's ignorant, blinkered assertion that Conservative do not support or like any change - an obvious, demonstrated idiocy.

Howard the monarchist holding a Republican referendum - another example that Conservatives respond to change initiatives from the bottom up, even if they are not in personal agreement. The referendum was lost not because a Conservative monarchist Government forbade it or refused to respond to the bottom up call for a referendum but because the Republicans couldnt agree among themselves about what the bloody hell they wanted.


The Anthropogenic Co2 part of AGW is scientifically unprovable.
The terminology has now moved on anyway to climate change (d'oh! When was the climate static?) Or more tellingly "Climate Crisis". That formulation tells you straight away that dirty work is afoot at the clime activist crossroads. It is hysterical nonsense, like A in AGW.




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Reply #547 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 4:03pm
 
Howard’s designed-to-fail referendum? Of course we blocked it, would stop us having a real republic.

Bad move, tovarich, better adhere more closely to Marxis/Leninist thought as interpreted by Comrade Stalin!
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Reply #548 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 4:07pm
 
Linus wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 3:35pm:
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Conservatism is not about holding onto an unchanging past.  Like all conserving - nature conservation, art conservation, fruit preserving, libraries, museums, galleries, souvenirs, etc, etc - it is about holding on to what is good and therefore what is loved. It has never, ever, been about changing nothing.


That's not entirely true. There are conservatives and there are conservatives. Some tolerate some progressive reform and others do not. When reform happens from conservatives, it's more likely because there is a widespread progressive social movement afoot. That is, their arm is twisted.


Your ill informed idea of what conservatism actually means is typical of elderly people like you who define terms according to old age mindset.

Conservatism is a process which finds meaning with each GENERATION!

Right now it’s Gen X and Gen Y etc who are telling boomers like you what it means. And how the term plays out in social and political policy direction.

So as you’re a boomer you might want to keep that in mind.





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Reply #549 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 4:29pm
 
So Sprake an Early Boomer

From his squalid HC flat
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Reply #550 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 4:30pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 4:03pm:
Howard’s designed-to-fail referendum? Of course we blocked it, would stop us having a real republic.

Bad move, tovarich, better adhere more closely to Marxis/Leninist thought as interpreted by Comrade Stalin!



Did Howard design it, Juvenile Wanker? Really? Not the Constitutional Convention?
Your mind is gone and you remember nothing or you are lying on purpise or a bit of both.



The 1998 Australian Constitutional Convention debated the need for a change to the Constitution of Australia which would abolish the Australian monarchy.[5] The convention considered three categories of model for the selection of the head of state in an Australian republic: direct election, parliamentary election by a special majority, and appointment by a special council following prime ministerial nomination.

"In principle" agreement was reached by a majority of delegates for an Australian Republic (though a minority bloc of monarchists dissented). Following a series of votes, a proposal for a "Bipartisan Appointment of the President Model" for an Australian republic was endorsed by a majority of delegates who voted for or against the motion (monarchists and some radical-change republicans abstained from the vote).[6] The Convention recommended to the Prime Minister and Parliament of Australia that the model, and other related changes to the Constitution, supported by the convention, be put to the people in a constitutional referendum in 1999.
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Reply #551 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 4:33pm
 
Actually—Larry seems to have reached his 80th birthday—no more talk of ME pushing 80—so he is. WWII baby, older than the earliest Booner!

I was born 2 years after WWII—almost exactly 2 years after Victory in Europe Day! Guess I am an Early Boomer,
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Reply #552 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 7:09pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 4:07pm:
Linus wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 3:35pm:
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Conservatism is not about holding onto an unchanging past.  Like all conserving - nature conservation, art conservation, fruit preserving, libraries, museums, galleries, souvenirs, etc, etc - it is about holding on to what is good and therefore what is loved. It has never, ever, been about changing nothing.


That's not entirely true. There are conservatives and there are conservatives. Some tolerate some progressive reform and others do not. When reform happens from conservatives, it's more likely because there is a widespread progressive social movement afoot. That is, their arm is twisted.


Your ill informed idea of what conservatism actually means is typical of elderly people like you who define terms according to old age mindset.

Conservatism is a process which finds meaning with each GENERATION!

Right now it’s Gen X and Gen Y etc who are telling boomers like you what it means. And how the term plays out in social and political policy direction.

So as you’re a boomer you might want to keep that in mind.








You do like creating your straw men, don't you, Lisa?  You're not even connecting with what I said there. And you know nothing about me. But I know, from my observations, that's of no consequence to you.

In a similar fashion, you're imperiously giving words your own meanings.  Grin

What's the word that defines someone who lives in a make-believe world and can't distinguish it from reality?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #553 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 7:58pm
 
Linus (and whatever other ID you usually hide behind) .. you’re out of order!

You seem to think you can define the identity of others based on your blinkered little antiquated presumptions and boomer mindset which observes from what you think is a safe distance. You can’t. You can only speculate. Why? You’re not living the reality of that other identity. I’m a conservative. You’re not! I know what conservatism means because I identify and function as a conservative. I come from a strong line of Conservatives. I’m also a Christian. I’m a woman (biological female). I’m also a MOTHER. And I’m a full blooded Mediterranean. Each and every aspect of my identity is foreign to you. You CANNOT know what it’s like to be a woman or a mother or even a full Mediterranean blooded human being.

All you can really do is sit there and fool yourself. And while you’re busy doing that I’ll continue being busy with the lived experience of being a Gen X conservative and as such I will continue to contradict and challenge your definition of what YOU think/believe Conservatism means.
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Reply #554 - Jul 28th, 2023 at 8:20pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 28th, 2023 at 7:58pm:
Linus (and whatever other ID you usually hide behind) .. you’re out of order!

You seem to think you can define the identity of others based on your blinkered little antiquated presumptions and boomer mindset which observes from what you think is a safe distance. You can’t. You can only speculate. Why? You’re not living the reality of that other identity. I’m a conservative. You’re not! I know what conservatism means because I identify and function as a conservative. I come from a strong line of Conservatives. I’m also a Christian. I’m a woman (biological female). I’m also a MOTHER. And I’m a full blooded Mediterranean. Each and every aspect of my identity is foreign to you. You CANNOT know what it’s like to be a woman or a mother or even a full Mediterranean blooded human being.

All you can really do is sit there and fool yourself. And while you’re busy doing that I’ll continue being busy with the lived experience of being a Gen X conservative.


Where have I defined the identity of anyone or anything under my "blinkered little antiquated presumptions and boomer mindset'?

It's clear that you're doing that. What makes you think I'm a boomer? I might be or I might not be, you don't know either way. And for your information I have only had this I.D. How about you?

I'll take your word for it that you're conservative ( however, you define that for yourself  Grin), Mediterranean and a woman.

Although, there seems to be some controversy over whether you're a woman or not. I've been told that you're not.

Fooling myself about? You're doing a resounding job of that on your own. You define words however you please in the moment, you impose identities on people you know nothing about, and you accuse them as your fancy tickles you.

What does being "busy with the lived experience of being a Gen X conservative" mean? Dissing and libeling people on  forums like this?





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