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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57739 Here Gender:	Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere. Reply #585 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 2:17pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 4^th, 2023 at 9:34am: Marxism. All the Western powers have a 2 party system which is really a derivative of a one party communist state.. Mr Trump ran a fascist autocratic idiocracy. Thank dog that he will never be back to soil the underpants of the USA again.
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Reply #586 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 8:42pm

Frank wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 2:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 11:42am:

Frank wrote on Sep 4^th, 2023 at 1:32pm:

We see a vast campaign to undermine and demoralise – well, what exactly?

The failure of neoliberalism to improve the lives of everyone, that's what.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1645944963/new

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Oz's young are right to be disgusted by the current state of affairs which sees home ownership now a distant dream for many of them, as they are burdined by HECS debt.

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The main target is the English-speaking world, with the attack mainly coming out of the US and spreading.

The US has itself to blame, as corporate greed has ruined capitalism's promise to lift living standards for all, producing the most divided, hyperpartisan democracy on the planet.

The rest of your post is GIGO.

https://media.tenor.com/9gHGn-aVPIoAAAAC/hey-bugger-off-bugger-off.gif

Displaying the 'quality' of your argument....

Meanwhile the new Liberal Senator, in her first Senate speech, says (inter alia):“We should not be afraid to consider tax changes. Whether it be capping the number of properties that can be negatively geared, or working with the states to replace stamp duty, or at a minimum to correct decades of bracket creep.

Some sense there , BUT - she drops in the usual RW garbage about "equality of outcome":
"Kovacic said that Australia must be vigilant to threats against liberalism including “rightwing populism and leftwing preoccupations with equality of outcomes”.

ie, the old conservative lie that eradicating poverty is the same as "equality of outcome".

The lie which is deservedly destroying your world, and not a moment too soon.

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Reply #587 - Sep 19^th, 2023 at 10:45am

In a surprising twist within the Dutch political arena, the recent uproar surrounding conservative politician Thierry Baudet‘s remarks has shed light on the complex dynamics of political discourse and lack of transparency. While Baudet’s comments may not have been inherently controversial, the vehement response from the left-wing Cabinet has raised questions about the willingness to engage in open dialogue and scrutiny.

Baudet’s Bold Assertions
Thierry Baudet, the leader of the populist Right party Forum for Democracy in The Netherlands, made headlines during the General Political Considerations of 2022 when he delivered a speech delving into Marxism’s lasting influence, particularly “cultural Marxism,” within Western societies. In his remarks, Baudet boldly questioned the presence of Marxist ideologies within institutions such as universities, trade unions, media, and intelligence agencies, even beyond the Cold War era.

The St. Anthony’s College Connection
One facet of Baudet’s address that garnered attention was his mention of St. Anthony’s College in Oxford, where Minister of Finance Sigrid Kaag had pursued an MPhil degree. Baudet insinuated potential connections between the college and Western secret services, implying that it might be symbolic of a broader entanglement between academic institutions and intelligence agencies.

A Controversial Response
However, the actual controversy in this incident arose not from Baudet’s remarks but from the left-wing Cabinet’s response to them. The Cabinet’s abrupt walkout during the parliamentary session has ignited a fierce debate about the acceptance of dissenting voices and the readiness to engage in constructive dialogue.

Critics argue that the Cabinet’s actions were an attempt to stifle open debate and hinder the scrutiny of their policies and ideologies. It has been suggested that Baudet’s speech merely touched upon topics that some may have preferred to remain unexamined.

https://rairfoundation.com/cultural-marxism-unveiled-thierry-baudet-exposes-dutc...

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Reply #588 - Sep 19^th, 2023 at 11:45am

Frank wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 10:45am:

Thierry Baudet, the leader of the populist Right party Forum for Democracy in The Netherlands, made headlines during the General Political Considerations of 2022 when he delivered a speech delving into Marxism’s lasting influence, particularly “cultural Marxism,” within Western societies. In his remarks, Baudet boldly questioned the presence of Marxist ideologies within institutions such as universities, trade unions, media, and intelligence agencies, even beyond the Cold War era.

"Cultural Marxism" has already been discussed in this thread, and shown to be a RW ideological construct.

Real Marxism is about an economy which works for all.:Bernie Sanders.

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Baudet insinuated potential connections between the college and Western secret services, implying that it might be symbolic of a broader entanglement between academic institutions and intelligence agencies.

Ironic, with the CIA and Pentagon determined to maintain US military and economic global hegemony. But the 'global South' are beginning to arc up about this hegemony (as will be shown at the upcoming UN talk fest) - it's time for the 1st world to share development goals, and pay for the transition to the green economy.

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The Cabinet’s abrupt walkout during the parliamentary session has ignited a fierce debate about the acceptance of dissenting voices and the readiness to engage in constructive dialogue.

yes, well they are right to walk out on the "cultural Marxism" lie, though they would do better to fully expose the lie, as I am doing here.

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Critics argue that the Cabinet’s actions were an attempt to stifle open debate and hinder the scrutiny of their policies and ideologies. It has been suggested that Baudet’s speech merely touched upon topics that some may have preferred to remain unexamined.

The problem is in fact confusion over how to create an economy which works for all, not "topics they might wish to remain unexamined".

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Reply #590 - Sep 19^th, 2023 at 1:51pm

issuevoter wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 12:32pm:

Marx was an idealist who thought he had practical solutions. He did not live to see his ideas used to keep dictators in power, or to justify murder and torture. His forsight was limited.

Marx and Engles:

“It is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother had not interbred with a black person. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product. The obtrusiveness of the fellow is also nigger-like.”

And this:
“Being in his quality as a nigger, a degree nearer to the rest of the animal kingdom than the rest of us, he is undoubtedly the most appropriate representative of that district.”

And this:
“The Negro is indolent and lazy and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent.”

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the worldly religion of Jews was “huckstering” and that the Jew’s god was “money.” His view of Jews was that they could only become an emancipated ethnicity or culture when they no longer exist. Just one step short of calling for genocide, he said, “The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way.”

But the woke progs would not erase them from the curriculum, deface their statues, denounce all who discuss them.

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Reply #591 - Sep 19^th, 2023 at 2:33pm

issuevoter wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 12:32pm:

Marx was an idealist who thought he had practical solutions.

Correct, indeed he expected the revolution to take place in the then industrializing European countries, not subsistance agricultural countries like Russia and China.

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He did not live to see his ideas used to keep dictators in power, or to justify murder and torture. His forsight was limited.[/size]

Also correct; but that doesn't change the fact Conservatives have created a fake ideology re "cultural Marxism", to avoid the development of an economy which works for all (the Marxist ideal).

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Reply #592 - Sep 19^th, 2023 at 2:44pm

Frank wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 12:32pm:

Marx was an idealist who thought he had practical solutions. He did not live to see his ideas used to keep dictators in power, or to justify murder and torture. His forsight was limited.

Marx and Engles:

“It is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother had not interbred with a black person. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product. The obtrusiveness of the fellow is also black person-like.”

And this:

“Being in his quality as a nigger, a degree nearer to the rest of the animal kingdom than the rest of us, he is undoubtedly the most appropriate representative of that district.”

And this:
“The Negro is indolent and lazy and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent.”

Marx's view of negroes? Well.... another Luther - who hated jews....

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the worldly religion of Jews was “huckstering” and that the Jew’s god was “money.” His view of Jews was that they could only become an emancipated ethnicity or culture when they no longer exist. Just one step short of calling for genocide, he said, “The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way.”

Ok, Marx despised his own ancestry, seeing the role of Jews (in Germany) as money spinnners.

Just to let you know, I despise the "jealous God" of the OT, too....

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But the woke progs would not erase them from the curriculum, deface their statues, denounce all who discuss them.

The most woke phenomenum here is the conservative wank about "cultural Marxism."

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Reply #593 - Sep 19^th, 2023 at 4:37pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 2:33pm:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 12:32pm:

Marx was an idealist who thought he had practical solutions.

Correct, indeed he expected the revolution to take place in the then industrializing European countries, not subsistance agricultural countries like Russia and China.

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He did not live to see his ideas used to keep dictators in power, or to justify murder and torture. His forsight was limited.[/size]

Also correct; but that doesn't change the fact Conservatives have created a fake ideology re "cultural Marxism", to avoid the development of an economy which works for all (the Marxist ideal).

I would call that ideal a pipe-dream. But its the wording which I would call propaganda. "an economy that works for all." Sounds all touchy-feely, but it ends up meaning giving people free stuff. And that's OK were genuine want is present, but in the Western World generations are growing up believing society owes them a living. That's not an economy that works for all, its a bludge. Universal Basic Income, and legal access to drugs, medicinal or otherwise, are part of it. I don't see that ideal society gaining any self-esteem, or the stoic outlook of their ancestors.

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Reply #594 - Sep 19^th, 2023 at 4:41pm

Marxism is everywhere now.

We have land tax for land that you supposedly own.
Well you don't -
the Govt charges you rent for your own land.

We have payroll tax - the Govt charges employers for employing people.
They are charged rent for people.
That's money the employee can't have.

That is directly in line with Govt ownership of everything:
your land,
your labor.

just as Karl Marx wanted.

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Reply #595 - Sep 20^th, 2023 at 4:46pm

issuevoter wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 4:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 2:33pm:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 12:32pm:

Marx was an idealist who thought he had practical solutions.

Correct, indeed he expected the revolution to take place in the then industrializing European countries, not subsistance agricultural countries like Russia and China.

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He did not live to see his ideas used to keep dictators in power, or to justify murder and torture. His forsight was limited.[/size]

Also correct; but that doesn't change the fact Conservatives have created a fake ideology re "cultural Marxism", to avoid the development of an economy which works for all (the Marxist ideal).

I would call that ideal a pipe-dream.

That's because your capacity for analysis is crippled by your Conservative ideology (see the debate with Frank, in the "what motivates us" thread.

Note: in the modern AI, IT and automation era, productive capacity exceeds what is needed to house, feed and employ everyone.

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But its the wording which I would call propaganda. "an economy that works for all." Sounds all touchy-feely, but it ends up meaning giving people free stuff.

No it doesn't; it means institution of a government Job Guarantee in lieu of the current destructive poverty/welfare industry.

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And that's OK were genuine want is present, but in the Western World generations are growing up believing society owes them a living.

Well..if the parents were able to buy a house, it's reasonable for the kids to want to do the same from their own wages (inc. hard-earned insecure 'gig economy' wages), but that is patently no longer the case.

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That's not an economy that works for all, its a bludge.

To repeat: "an economy which works for all" enables everyone to work and buy a house (including public sector housing for lower income households).

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Universal Basic Income, and legal access to drugs, medicinal or otherwise, are part of it. I don't see that ideal society gaining any self-esteem, or the stoic outlook of their ancestors

Actually a UBI might be able to replace a Job Guarantee one day, when most production is automated, and people are setting up outposts on Mars.

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Reply #596 - Sep 20^th, 2023 at 5:14pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 4:41pm:

Marxism is everywhere now.

...because the free enterprise/corporate greed system is failing.

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We have land tax for land that you supposedly own. Well you don't -
the Govt charges you rent for your own land.

Er.... and many are forced to rent, so don't own property at all.

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We have payroll tax - the Govt charges employers for employing people.

Because people don't like paying income tax; how do you propose government funds its necessary social expenditures? (Apparently the MMT solution requires too much public sector management of resource mobilization, to be acceptable to neoclassical 'invisible hand' economists).

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They are charged rent for people.
That's money the employee can't have.

You mean business owners are charged rent by greedy landlords?

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That is directly in line with Govt ownership of everything:
your land,
your labor.

Another conservative whose capacity for analysis is crippled. In fact the government owned vastly more public housing in the very successful Menzies era (in the post WW2 Keynesian 'welfare state' era, not to be confused with the current disastrous 'welfare industry' era), than it does now - which the current govt. is correctly trying to amend.

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just as Karl Marx wanted.

Your absurd conclusions re governement ownership exposed above.

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Reply #597 - Sep 20^th, 2023 at 5:47pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 20^th, 2023 at 5:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 4:41pm:

Marxism is everywhere now.

...because the free enterprise/corporate greed system is failing.

Failing? How?

Which Marxism-inspired society did ever do better? They ALL collapsed under the contradictions of their ideology. Without exception.
At best they metastasised into dictatorships of the dynastic proletariat.

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