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Reply #735 - Nov 29th, 2023 at 4:25pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 1:59pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 8:37pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 8:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 6:55am:
Nov 27, 2023

Masculinity is under attack,

but despite the best efforts of the subversive Cultural-Marxists in our midst,
it certainly lives on in places such as the Aussie barber shop.
Watch as I mansplain to the Senate how the patriarchy is far from being smashed.

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Masculinity is under attack


But not from non existent Cultural Marxists.




Say the Marxists.




They always deny it but we know better.    Wink


0.00% of the population do not have an impact on much of anything.
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Reply #736 - Nov 29th, 2023 at 6:56pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 4:25pm:
0.00% of the population do not have an impact on much of anything.



Cultural Marxists are hiding in plain sight -

there are many on this forum.



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Reply #737 - Nov 29th, 2023 at 8:33pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 6:56pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 4:25pm:
0.00% of the population do not have an impact on much of anything.



Cultural Marxists are hiding in plain sight -

there are many on this forum.





I think I am the only one.

Groucho is a Marx and his contribution to culture is in films.

In general Australia have a few socialist groups and I don't know of any that are specifically Marxist but would guess there may be some. Of that small potential number of Marxist groups I doubt that any would be specifically cultural Marxist.

At the top level there would be a smallish number (maybe a few thousand) Socialists which diminishes down the tree. There could be as little few dozen Marxists if that and I suspect not even a tiny number in the cultural sub group (below that) at all - none except for me.
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Reply #738 - Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:13pm
 
I liked Harpo.

Groucho and Harpo—the Marxist core.
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Reply #739 - Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:14pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2023 at 12:50pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 9:10pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 10:07am:
Frank wrote on Nov 17th, 2023 at 5:47pm:
I agree, Marxism is a malicious Bolshevik conspiracy theory. It started in Germany, spread to Russia where it reigned for 70 years and then spread to the West when the Marxist-Leninist conspiracy collapsed in Russia.


Sloppy history, there. Soviet Communisn attracted many Western thinkers during the GD in the West,  before the collapse of the USSR in 1990.

Q. Why were they attracted?

And why is democracy held in such low regard today, especially among the nation's youth? 



Replacement for religion. Academics  and the young crave meaningful lives. Marxism provided that.


The desire for economic well-being - rather than Marxism per se - must be a factor, as youth's desire for home ownership is destroyed by neoliberal market forces.


We are talking about it in the Soviet era, not now.
Anyway, no one is Marxist these days. It's all identity politics on campuses now.
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Reply #740 - Nov 30th, 2023 at 6:16pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2023 at 12:50pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 9:10pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 10:07am:
Frank wrote on Nov 17th, 2023 at 5:47pm:
I agree, Marxism is a malicious Bolshevik conspiracy theory. It started in Germany, spread to Russia where it reigned for 70 years and then spread to the West when the Marxist-Leninist conspiracy collapsed in Russia.


Sloppy history, there. Soviet Communisn attracted many Western thinkers during the GD in the West,  before the collapse of the USSR in 1990.

Q. Why were they attracted?

And why is democracy held in such low regard today, especially among the nation's youth? 



Replacement for religion. Academics  and the young crave meaningful lives. Marxism provided that.


The desire for economic well-being - rather than Marxism per se - must be a factor, as youth's desire for home ownership is destroyed by neoliberal market forces.


We are talking about it in the Soviet era, not now.
Anyway, no one is Marxist these days. It's all identity politics on campuses now.


In Turkey?

Strange. I would have thought their identity politics would be in the Allah Uakbar phase of ideological theory and praxis.

Simple dialectics, innit.
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Reply #741 - Nov 30th, 2023 at 8:35pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 30th, 2023 at 6:16pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:14pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 24th, 2023 at 12:50pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 9:10pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2023 at 10:07am:
Frank wrote on Nov 17th, 2023 at 5:47pm:
I agree, Marxism is a malicious Bolshevik conspiracy theory. It started in Germany, spread to Russia where it reigned for 70 years and then spread to the West when the Marxist-Leninist conspiracy collapsed in Russia.


Sloppy history, there. Soviet Communisn attracted many Western thinkers during the GD in the West,  before the collapse of the USSR in 1990.

Q. Why were they attracted?

And why is democracy held in such low regard today, especially among the nation's youth? 



Replacement for religion. Academics  and the young crave meaningful lives. Marxism provided that.


The desire for economic well-being - rather than Marxism per se - must be a factor, as youth's desire for home ownership is destroyed by neoliberal market forces.


We are talking about it in the Soviet era, not now.
Anyway, no one is Marxist these days. It's all identity politics on campuses now.


In Turkey?

Strange. I would have thought their identity politics would be in the Allah Uakbar phase of ideological theory and praxis.

Simple dialectics, innit.


Identity outside of Nationalism and religion isn't that big over there. It's mostly Western 'progressives' who are obsessed with identity.
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Reply #742 - Nov 30th, 2023 at 8:57pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 30th, 2023 at 6:16pm:
In Turkey?

Strange. I would have thought their identity politics would be in the Allah Uakbar phase of ideological theory and praxis.

Simple dialectics, innit.






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Reply #743 - Dec 2nd, 2023 at 1:15pm
 
About 'A Profound Reorganising of Things'
In early 2022, for the first time in its 34-year history, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) inched further toward acknowledging what Indigenous Peoples and First Nations have long known: that colonialism is a catastrophic environmental violence (Funes, 2022). The IPCC report named colonialism as a driver and exacerbator of the harms of climate change. What this overdue recognition understates, however, is the fact that climate change and colonialism are co-constitutive, rather than some more benign consequence of history. Indeed, as Red River Métis/Michif pollution scientist Max Liboiron (2021) argues, climate change is an inevitable manifestation of global colonial land relations: not merely the effect or symptom of colonial violence, but the enactment of this violence in and of itself.

Global failure to understand and engage with the colonial roots of the impending climate catastrophe both constrains our collective capacities to untangle this wicked problem and simultaneously works to secure settler futurity and white supremacy. This dynamic is mirrored in other political, economic, and social spheres in settler colonies: the incarceration of Bla(c)k, Indigenous, and peoples of colour; the gross and increasing economic divide between rich and poor both on global and domestic scales; the detention and mistreatment of asylum seekers and refugees; poor health outcomes for Indigenous Peoples; as well as myriad other inequities and injustices, all of which can be traced to the corrupt land relations of (settler) colonialism.

Understanding these issues in this way holds systems and relations of power to account. It enables these violences to be understood as products of the complex entanglements of power that sustain settler occupation of Indigenous lands. That is to say, the incarceration of Indigenous peoples in so-called Australia is deeply implicated in the warming of the planet, is deeply implicated in the offshore detention of asylum seekers, and so on.
https://arts.unimelb.edu.au/australiancentre/a-profound-reorganising-of-things/a...

Sounds like gauche parody but it isn't.
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Reply #744 - Dec 9th, 2023 at 1:35pm
 
Chekhov’s truth shames Sydney Theatre Company actors’ stupidity


Pity poor Chekhov. It is hard to think of anything that would have appalled him more than actors ending the Sydney Theatre Company’s production of The Seagull by donning keffiyehs in protest at the “occupation” of and “genocide” in Gaza.

It is true that the stunt, which seamlessly combined the ludicrous with the repulsive, is merely agitprop’s latest triumph over art – a triumph encouraged by cultural policies that increasingly allocate public funding, including some $10m a year to the STC, on the basis of politics rather than merit.

Given the incentives those policies create, it is scarcely surprising that arts organisations, led by the STC, made such a big deal of endorsing the voice. And it is equally unsurprising that the STC’s directors and major donors, having laid out the red carpet for the politics they like, now find those they dislike entering through the stage door.

There may be an element of justice in the STC reaping what it sowed; but it cannot erase the injustice to Chekhov. In effect, of all the great Russian authors of the 19th century, it was Chekhov who most firmly opposed the confusion between art and propaganda.

Writing at a time when incessant political agitation and revolutionary fanaticism had permeated Russian life, he adamantly rejected the view that writers should tell the public what to think, much less dispense public lessons in morality.

His reluctance to assume that role was strengthened by his disdain for the intelligentsia – a term coined in Russia in 1860 – and notably for its “progressive” mainstays.

Even before Chekhov burst on to the scene, the “intelligents”, as they were known, had done everything they could to impose a stifling intellectual conformity. Nikolay Dobrolyubov, a revolutionary writer greatly admired by Marx, Lenin and Stalin, was not exaggerating when he boasted that “today even those who dislike progressive ideas must pretend to like them to gain admission to decent society”.

This “second censorship”, which prescribed what had to be said, was, Chekhov argued, even more oppressive than the “first censorship” imposed by tsars, which merely forbade, rather haphazardly, speech considered especially dangerous.

Dismissing the “molluscs we call the intelligentsia”, Chekhov presciently warned that should they ever seize power, “these toads and crocodiles will, under the banner of science, art and free-thinking, rule in ways not known even at the time of the inquisition in Spain”.
Henry Ergas
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/chekhovs-truth-shames-sydney-theatre-company-actors-stupidity/news-story/d77e0c9e1f461d5b13e0f2204c4db618


I wanted to see this Seagull production and was about to book tickets when these muppets donned their keffyas on preview night. No way now.
Pity. I love Chekhov but couldn't watch what these bozos are doing to his work.
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Reply #745 - Dec 9th, 2023 at 1:53pm
 
The right lack culture as does Marxism.
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Reply #746 - Dec 9th, 2023 at 1:54pm
 
Hi Frank,
they are everywhere -
even in the "yarts"  as Sir Les would say.

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Reply #747 - Dec 9th, 2023 at 3:48pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 9th, 2023 at 1:35pm:
Chekhov’s truth shames Sydney Theatre Company actors’ stupidity


Pity poor Chekhov. It is hard to think of anything that would have appalled him more than actors ending the Sydney Theatre Company’s production of The Seagull by donning keffiyehs in protest at the “occupation” of and “genocide” in Gaza.

It is true that the stunt, which seamlessly combined the ludicrous with the repulsive, is merely agitprop’s latest triumph over art – a triumph encouraged by cultural policies that increasingly allocate public funding, including some $10m a year to the STC, on the basis of politics rather than merit.

Given the incentives those policies create, it is scarcely surprising that arts organisations, led by the STC, made such a big deal of endorsing the voice. And it is equally unsurprising that the STC’s directors and major donors, having laid out the red carpet for the politics they like, now find those they dislike entering through the stage door.

There may be an element of justice in the STC reaping what it sowed; but it cannot erase the injustice to Chekhov. In effect, of all the great Russian authors of the 19th century, it was Chekhov who most firmly opposed the confusion between art and propaganda.

Writing at a time when incessant political agitation and revolutionary fanaticism had permeated Russian life, he adamantly rejected the view that writers should tell the public what to think, much less dispense public lessons in morality.

His reluctance to assume that role was strengthened by his disdain for the intelligentsia – a term coined in Russia in 1860 – and notably for its “progressive” mainstays.

Even before Chekhov burst on to the scene, the “intelligents”, as they were known, had done everything they could to impose a stifling intellectual conformity. Nikolay Dobrolyubov, a revolutionary writer greatly admired by Marx, Lenin and Stalin, was not exaggerating when he boasted that “today even those who dislike progressive ideas must pretend to like them to gain admission to decent society”.

This “second censorship”, which prescribed what had to be said, was, Chekhov argued, even more oppressive than the “first censorship” imposed by tsars, which merely forbade, rather haphazardly, speech considered especially dangerous.

Dismissing the “molluscs we call the intelligentsia”, Chekhov presciently warned that should they ever seize power, “these toads and crocodiles will, under the banner of science, art and free-thinking, rule in ways not known even at the time of the inquisition in Spain”.
Henry Ergas
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/chekhovs-truth-shames-sydney-theatre-company-actors-stupidity/news-story/d77e0c9e1f461d5b13e0f2204c4db618



Trust the faux intellectualism of Murdoch's RW Oz to get it wrong, as always.

I don't know if Chekhov was a revolutionary or a reactionary: "Chekhov felt that inner freedom was more important than political or social freedom".

....but.....the serfs were oppressed by Tzarism, so much for "inner freedom".   

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I wanted to see this Seagull production and was about to book tickets when these muppets donned their keffyas on preview night. No way now.
Pity. I love Chekhov but couldn't watch what these bozos are doing to his work.


I do not know what Chekhov would have thought of the occupation of Palestine,  or carving of Israel out of Arab lands,  against the wishes of the Arabs, do you?   
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Reply #748 - Dec 9th, 2023 at 3:58pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 1:15pm:
About 'A Profound Reorganising of Things'
In early 2022, for the first time in its 34-year history, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) inched further toward acknowledging what Indigenous Peoples and First Nations have long known: that colonialism is a catastrophic environmental violence (Funes, 2022). The IPCC report named colonialism as a driver and exacerbator of the harms of climate change. What this overdue recognition understates, however, is the fact that climate change and colonialism are co-constitutive, rather than some more benign consequence of history. Indeed, as Red River Métis/Michif pollution scientist Max Liboiron (2021) argues, climate change is an inevitable manifestation of global colonial land relations: not merely the effect or symptom of colonial violence, but the enactment of this violence in and of itself.

Global failure to understand and engage with the colonial roots of the impending climate catastrophe both constrains our collective capacities to untangle this wicked problem and simultaneously works to secure settler futurity and white supremacy. This dynamic is mirrored in other political, economic, and social spheres in settler colonies: the incarceration of Bla(c)k, Indigenous, and peoples of colour; the gross and increasing economic divide between rich and poor both on global and domestic scales; the detention and mistreatment of asylum seekers and refugees; poor health outcomes for Indigenous Peoples; as well as myriad other inequities and injustices, all of which can be traced to the corrupt land relations of (settler) colonialism.

Understanding these issues in this way holds systems and relations of power to account. It enables these violences to be understood as products of the complex entanglements of power that sustain settler occupation of Indigenous lands. That is to say, the incarceration of Indigenous peoples in so-called Australia is deeply implicated in the warming of the planet, is deeply implicated in the offshore detention of asylum seekers, and so on.
https://arts.unimelb.edu.au/australiancentre/a-profound-reorganising-of-things/a...

Sounds like gauche parody but it isn't.


I agree with you for once (!!), this is intellectualism gone mad.

Obviously stone age cultures had no effect on the climate,  their CO2 emissions were negligible.

I doubt the IPCC are behind such nonsense, as attributed to Max Liboiron.

Btw, I think 2023 has just been recognized by the relevant global authority as the hottest year on record...put that in your pipe and smoke it....

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Reply #749 - Dec 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9th, 2023 at 3:58pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 1:15pm:
About 'A Profound Reorganising of Things'
In early 2022, for the first time in its 34-year history, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) inched further toward acknowledging what Indigenous Peoples and First Nations have long known: that colonialism is a catastrophic environmental violence (Funes, 2022). The IPCC report named colonialism as a driver and exacerbator of the harms of climate change. What this overdue recognition understates, however, is the fact that climate change and colonialism are co-constitutive, rather than some more benign consequence of history. Indeed, as Red River Métis/Michif pollution scientist Max Liboiron (2021) argues, climate change is an inevitable manifestation of global colonial land relations: not merely the effect or symptom of colonial violence, but the enactment of this violence in and of itself.

Global failure to understand and engage with the colonial roots of the impending climate catastrophe both constrains our collective capacities to untangle this wicked problem and simultaneously works to secure settler futurity and white supremacy. This dynamic is mirrored in other political, economic, and social spheres in settler colonies: the incarceration of Bla(c)k, Indigenous, and peoples of colour; the gross and increasing economic divide between rich and poor both on global and domestic scales; the detention and mistreatment of asylum seekers and refugees; poor health outcomes for Indigenous Peoples; as well as myriad other inequities and injustices, all of which can be traced to the corrupt land relations of (settler) colonialism.

Understanding these issues in this way holds systems and relations of power to account. It enables these violences to be understood as products of the complex entanglements of power that sustain settler occupation of Indigenous lands. That is to say, the incarceration of Indigenous peoples in so-called Australia is deeply implicated in the warming of the planet, is deeply implicated in the offshore detention of asylum seekers, and so on.
https://arts.unimelb.edu.au/australiancentre/a-profound-reorganising-of-things/a...

Sounds like gauche parody but it isn't.


I agree with you for once (!!), this is intellectualism gone mad.

Obviously stone age cultures had no effect on the climate,  their CO2 emissions were negligible.

I doubt the IPCC are behind such nonsense, as attributed to Max Liboiron.

Btw, I think 2023 has just been recognized by the relevant global authority as the hottest year on record...put that in your pipe and smoke it....



Don't see any relationship to Cultural Marxism in any of this gobbledygook.
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