Bobby. wrote on Jan 1^st, 2024 at 8:00pm:


If their best method is to falsely redefine those they disagree with they don't have much.

It isn't shooting the messenger it is who he is. This crap is all made up BS.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 1^st, 2024 at 7:07pm:



'nuff said:  von Mises was a Libertarian  free marketeer.

"Ludwig Heinrich Edler von Mises was a Ukraine-born Austrian–American Austrian School economist, historian, logician, and sociologist. Mises wrote and lectured extensively on the societal contributions of classical liberalism and the power of consumers

Classical liberalism ("individual natural rights")  is delusional  - and is the cause of the political chaos in world affairs; and  consumers without money don't have any power...talk about having things back to front.


Of course Mendenhall and his ilk will try to discredit collectivist (Marxist) well-being, by blaming "cultural" Marxism, rather than blaming the individualist culture which is responsible for the war and poverty in the world.

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2024 at 6:00pm:


Well, yes,  ie, from an economic perspective.

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Of course, Marx was analyzing the political economy of his own time, ie during the onslaught of the industrial revolution in Europe.  He had to contend with the dominant economic ideology of Adam Smith's invisible hand/efficient market delusions.   

How else do you expose economic injustice and inequality, except by defining those terms?   

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In plain English: examining the causes of inequality and injustice in the work-place.

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Can you see your error now? Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise, as shown above.

Your Western 'individualist' (non Marxist/collectivist) values are deluding you.

Frank wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2024 at 10:14am:


For Marx, from his observations of the lives of the children of the poor, who were forced to worked in coal mines to support their families, rather than getting an education.

ie, forced by economic realities of the time, based on "invisible hand" market ideology.

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From Marx's own attempt to understand the economic injustice and inequality which he observed in his time.

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The apparent contradiction explained to you, above; WHY did economic injustice and inequality exist? Certainly the 'culture' of production driven by self-interest was a factor.

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So Engels supported Marx; I saw the film 'Made in Dagenham' last night; even the male unionists voted for equal pay for women in the end - and thereby changed the law of the land; they weren't hypocrites....

Frank wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2024 at 11:18am:


I must say I was going  to commend you - at the end of my reply to your post  (but I forgot)  -  for your attempt to debate the issues.....but I see you have now reverted to form....

I accept your concession.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cultural%20Marxism

Cultural Marxism

Cultural Marxism is sometimes labeled as a conspiracy theory by people on the far left, but this definition explains how most people use the term in political conversation:

Marxism can be summed up as the interpretation that the world is best understood as a power struggle between different wealth groups (poor, middleclass, rich, bourgeoisie, proletariot, etc). Cultural Marxism is a term used to describe the idea that our society is best interpreted as being a power struggle between different identity groups or cultures(women, men, gay, straight, black, white).

Cultural Marxism is used by most people refers to a kind of behavior that looks for power imbalances in everyday culture (like asking a person where they are from, or complementing a black persons hair) and problematizing those interactions, causing people to resent others for innocuous little social misdemeanors.

Cultural Marxism assumes the worst of the actions of a supposedly powerful group by saying that their little faux-pas are really egregious examples of latent prejudice, and excuses the hatred and rudeness of the supposedly weaker group by saying that their behavior is an expression of resisting power or "asserting their personhood".

Cultural Marxists hunt relentlessly to find things to be offended about, and claim to speak on behalf of all oppressed groups, though most of the time cultural marxists are rich, priviledged, upper and middle class white college women with multicolored hair.
"Like every moral busybody across history, Cultural Marxists always come at you with this famous glint in their eye that suggests that they know better than you how you should live your life and they will make you if they get the chance."

"Cultural Marxism is the practice of interpreting what people say in the most uncharitable way."

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2024 at 6:32pm:


Since Frank is still frothing at the mouth (in lieu of debate),  let's see if Bobby has anything useful to contribute.

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Ok, let's look at what "Cultural Marxism" means for "most  people" in "political conversation" - but we already have a problem, namely, what does the term "Marxism" (without the "Cultural" appendage) mean for most people?

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Ah - a definition of "Marxism" without the "cultural" appendage? 

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That's what I explained to Frank, which resulted in his frothing at the mouth; the struggle for economic justice against injustice , eg children forced to work in coal mines during the European industrial revolution , or people forced to live in tents, in wealthy nations,  today. 

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Which is an inadequate interpretation of reality; poor whites are forced to live in tents alongside poor blacks in the US.

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Blimey - keep digging Bobby, you are indeed doing a good job of exposing the idiocies of "cultural Marxism". 

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Note: resisting injustice IS asserting personhood.

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Yes, they are fools (whether LW or RW) ; true Marxists are concerned with economic injustice , while cultural Marxists fail to understand that the economic/political  system is the problem, not peoples' identities and perceived  put-downs of particular groups.

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So they do have an awareness of oppression and injustice, but don't understand the system is at fault, as explained above. So they blame the "oppressors" rather than the system which requires the "oppressors" to maintain control of the system on behalf of the elites.   

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You mean, eg, 'SJW's'  are "moral busybodies"?

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See above...thanks Bobby for making the case for us: "cultural Marxism", whether in its real or imagined manifestations, is BS.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2024 at 2:54pm:


I understand that it has both real manifestations, eg caused by denying the egregious effects of systemic economic dysfunction (such as neoliberal markets forcing people onto the dole);  and imagined manifestations (eg blaming disadvantage on gender politics).

Like I said, cultural Marxism in all it manifestation is BS, and attempts to blame Marxism for all the ills it erroneously sheets home to Marxism.