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Reply #975 - Jan 19^th, 2024 at 1:37pm

Frank wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:00pm:

Given the dismal failure of collectivist models and the undeniable advances in the free world,

China versus India?
In 1970 India had a larger GDP than China....

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socialists were forced to change their agenda:

Well yes, China adopted some free market/private ownership principles in 1980, but maintained state management of the economy.

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they left behind the class struggle based on the economic system and replaced this with other supposed social conflicts, which are just as harmful to life and to economic growth.

Wrong. China kept the economy uppermost, under a "get rich" policy; no "class" or "other social conflicts" BS.

And now China is on course to overtake the US - though the US is currently pulling out all stops to try to prevent it.

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The first of these new battles was the ridiculous and unnatural fight between man and woman. Libertarianism already provides for equality of the sexes.

All western phenomena, as Western economies failed to compete with Asia.

But Libertarianism - in this brave new world of gender and wage independence - doesn't compensate women financially for the loss of wages during birthing and suckling.

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The cornerstone of our creed is that all humans are created equal and that we all have the same inalienable rights granted by the Creator, including life, freedom and ownership.

I have proved it all garbage; "liberal" societies throw the least advantaged onto the unemployment "welfare" scrap-heap.

The rest of the article is GIGO.

Did I see mention of Milei? Unfortunately his orthodox neoclassical economics degree won't save Argentina...

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Reply #976 - Jan 20^th, 2024 at 8:22pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 1:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:00pm:

Given the dismal failure of collectivist models and the undeniable advances in the free world,

China versus India?
In 1970 India had a larger GDP than China....

Quote:

socialists were forced to change their agenda:

Well yes, China adopted some free market/private ownership principles in 1980, but maintained state management of the economy.

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they left behind the class struggle based on the economic system and replaced this with other supposed social conflicts, which are just as harmful to life and to economic growth.

Wrong. China kept the economy uppermost, under a "get rich" policy; no "class" or "other social conflicts" BS.

And now China is on course to overtake the US - though the US is currently pulling out all stops to try to prevent it.

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The first of these new battles was the ridiculous and unnatural fight between man and woman. Libertarianism already provides for equality of the sexes.

All western phenomena, as Western economies failed to compete with Asia.

But Libertarianism - in this brave new world of gender and wage independence - doesn't compensate women financially for the loss of wages during birthing and suckling.

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The cornerstone of our creed is that all humans are created equal and that we all have the same inalienable rights granted by the Creator, including life, freedom and ownership.

I have proved it all garbage; "liberal" societies throw the least advantaged onto the unemployment "welfare" scrap-heap.

The rest of the article is GIGO.

Did I see mention of Milei? Unfortunately his orthodox neoclassical economics degree won't save Argentina...

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Reply #979 - Jan 27^th, 2024 at 5:57pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 1:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:00pm:

[quote] socialists were forced to change their agenda:

Well yes, China adopted some free market/private ownership principles in 1980, but maintained state management of the economy.

Just as the more successful countries of the west adopted a sensible blend of Private / Market and socialised processes.

The best of both was always the best solution.

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Reply #980 - Jan 27^th, 2024 at 6:17pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2024 at 5:57pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 1:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:00pm:

[quote] socialists were forced to change their agenda:

Well yes, China adopted some free market/private ownership principles in 1980, but maintained state management of the economy.

Just as the more successful countries of the west adopted a sensible blend of Private / Market and socialised processes.

The best of both was always the best solution.

Why do Marxists adopt 'lizard brain, dog eat dog, red in claw' capitalist policies an practices?
Why can't Marxism stand on its own principles (for which it has been making ridiculously large clims for almost two centuries)?

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Reply #981 - Jan 27^th, 2024 at 6:25pm

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2024 at 6:17pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2024 at 5:57pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 1:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 19^th, 2024 at 12:00pm:

[quote] socialists were forced to change their agenda:

Well yes, China adopted some free market/private ownership principles in 1980, but maintained state management of the economy.

Just as the more successful countries of the west adopted a sensible blend of Private / Market and socialised processes.

The best of both was always the best solution.

Why do Marxists adopt 'lizard brain, dog eat dog, red in claw' capitalist policies an practices?
Why can't Marxism stand on its own principles (for which it has been making ridiculously large clims for almost two centuries)?

Probably the same reasons that capitalists do the same thing in reverse. Fact is that some things work best one way or the other.

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Reply #982 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 3:26pm

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2024 at 6:17pm:

Why do Marxists adopt 'lizard brain, dog eat dog, red in claw' capitalist policies an practices?
Why can't Marxism stand on its own principles (for which it has been making ridiculously large clims for almost two centuries)?

1. because the collectivization policies carried out in Marx's name, decades after his death, ignored human nature and the effects of incentive and reward.

2. The Marxist principle "workers of the world, unite" is increasingly irrelevant as AI and IT operate ever increasing sections of production. Today we need an above-poverty job guanrantee, to eradicate entrenched poverty.

Over-production is the problem today, as nations fight to protect their own markets and production facilities, because China can now easily outcompete the US and EU in growing EV and PV production, on quantity and price, in global markets.

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Reply #983 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 7:13pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 3:26pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2024 at 6:17pm:

Why do Marxists adopt 'lizard brain, dog eat dog, red in claw' capitalist policies an practices?
Why can't Marxism stand on its own principles (for which it has been making ridiculously large clims for almost two centuries)?

1. because the collectivization policies carried out in Marx's name, decades after his death, ignored human nature and the effects of incentive and reward.

2. The Marxist principle "workers of the world, unite" is increasingly irrelevant as AI and IT operate ever increasing sections of production. Today we need an above-poverty job guanrantee, to eradicate entrenched poverty.

Over-production is the problem today, as nations fight to protect their own markets and production facilities, because China can now easily outcompete the US and EU in growing EV and PV production, on quantity and price, in global markets.

So we are over-producing - but must give everyone a job to produce more. Do you remember your 'points' from one sentence to the next, idiotic robot?

No.

You sound like a very badly programmed third rate Chinese robot. If you are what China is aiming for then they are ****ed, good and proper.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 43639 Gender:	Re: Cultural Marxism is everywhere. Reply #985 - Jan 28^th, 2024 at 10:05pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 9:22pm: Quote: Cultural Marxism is everywhere. Has a look in the bush out front yesterday. Didn't see any but should I check again just in case ? Did you shite in the bush, ducky, like you do on these boards?
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Reply #986 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 7:05am

Vociferous, anarchic street protests........
'a means to an end' [....the end of civil society]

LEFTIST Neo-Marxists believe that smashing through all social 'barriers',
BY WHATEVER MEANS, is the way to achieve their [dangerous] political and societal objectives.

The modus of social change, of the LEFTIST Neo-Marxists today;
'We will just crash through, or crash! ....Nothing of the old ['liberal'] social order should have a 'protected' status.'

vociferous = = vehement or clamorous.

liberal = =
1 respectful and accepting of behaviour or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas. (of a society, law, etc.) favourable to individual rights and freedoms. regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.
2 (in a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform.

".....their goal isn't persuasion through awareness, it's terrorism."

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The Domestic Terrorists of Tomorrow are Blocking Traffic Today

by Daniel Greenfield
January 28, 2024

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Reasonable people, usually old school liberals, still don't understand the Left. And so they also don't understand what happened to their movement, their party and their country.

A quarter century of smashing Starbucks windows clearly has nothing to do with Gaza.

They don't care about black lives, the lives in Gaza or Iraq, or the lives of the poor: these are just the pretexts that provide them with moral superiority so they feel justified smashing things.

The pro-Hamas riots are a carbon copy of the BLM riots.

.....Like the eco-terrorists, who have taken to vandalizing classical art in museums, their goal isn't persuasion through awareness, it's terrorism.

Individual causes,
environmentalism,
LGBTQ rights,
Gaza,
Iraq,
income inequality,
unions,
Wall Street,
abortion
or criminals, ....are just gateway drugs to radicalize a base for the leftist revolution.

Blocking traffic or airports isn't really about ending Israeli attacks on Hamas, but about inflicting misery on Americans and making the leftist perpetrators feel powerful and self-righteous by expressing their malice. Don't think of these as protests; think of them as initiation sessions like those of gangs and cults in which new members prove themselves by hurting someone.

Blocking school buses, ambulances and people coming home from work, or shouting, "shame on you" at kids with cancer is just part of the radicalization process. Its purpose is to make the activists cause pain while being so emotionally detached from their victims that they not only feel nothing when inflicting pain, but that doing so makes them morally superior.

The process produces people capable of not only blocking traffic, but planting bombs.

Communist revolutionaries have exploited wars and food shortages to seize power, only to then inflict even worse wars and food shortages.

But following the Cloward-Piven model, leftists only make things worse. The purpose of leftist governments is to destroy countries by exacerbating every social, economic, geopolitical and cultural problem until they have brought societies to their knees and can seize total power.

But following the Cloward-Piven model, leftists only make things Revolutions need causes, but the only real cause of a revolution is its own power. Or as George Orwell wrote in 1984, "One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."

DEI educational activists may not be as blatant about it as Hamas, but they share a similar goal of radicalizing a base until it is willing to commit any atrocity and still consider itself morally superior. The processes that produced men willing to rape and murder for Islam in Israel are also producing men and women in the West who are willing to cheer that and to wage war against their own societies in order to protect those rapists and murderers.

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https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20342/domestic-terrorists-of-tomorrow

[the whole article is just a click away.]

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Reply #987 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 11:04am

Smashing windows and shutting down airports is their cause.

Before Hamas, they were smashing windows for abortion, BLM and Occupy Wall Street, and against the Iraq War and to protest the World Trade Organization. Some of the same men in black who are smashing Starbucks windows now for Gaza were smashing them back in Seattle in the WTO protests of 1999. Before too long, they'll need to retire and collect Social Security.

A quarter-century of smashing Starbucks windows clearly has nothing to do with Gaza.

They don't care about black lives, the lives in Gaza or Iraq, or the lives of the poor; these are just the pretexts that provide them with moral superiority so they feel justified smashing things.

The pro-Hamas riots are a carbon copy of the BLM riots. Like the eco-terrorists, who have taken to vandalizing classical art in museums, their goal isn't persuasion through awareness; it's terrorism. They block traffic, airport holiday travel and holiday events for whatever cause happens to be trending at any given time. Few of these leftists have any real sense of what Hamas is, and fewer still know who the Houthis are, but they'll still scream about an "Intifada."

What they actually want has less to do with Gaza than with right here at home.

"When we finally deal that final blow to destroy Israel. When the state of Israel is finally destroyed and erased from history, that will be the single most important blow we can give to destroying capitalism," promised Manolo De Los Santos of The People's Forum, which receives funds out of Communist China and has been linked to many of the pro-Hamas protests.

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Reply #988 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 11:24am

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 7:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 3:26pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2024 at 6:17pm:

Why do Marxists adopt 'lizard brain, dog eat dog, red in claw' capitalist policies an practices?
Why can't Marxism stand on its own principles (for which it has been making ridiculously large clims for almost two centuries)?

1. because the collectivization policies carried out in Marx's name, decades after his death, ignored human nature and the effects of incentive and reward.

2. The Marxist principle "workers of the world, unite" is increasingly irrelevant as AI and IT operate ever increasing sections of production. Today we need an above-poverty job guanrantee, to eradicate entrenched poverty.

Over-production is the problem today, as nations fight to protect their own markets and production facilities, because China can now easily outcompete the US and EU in growing EV and PV production, on quantity and price, in global markets.

So we are over-producing - but must give everyone a job to produce more. Do you remember your 'points' from one sentence to the next, idiotic robot?

Ah...good to see you engage your brain.

Obviously I have to lead you slowly, on the path to understanding.

No, we must give everyone a job which satisfies a social need, as manufacturing jobs are automated.

China alone could easily and most efficiently produce cars and PVs for the entire world, but geopolitics and neoclassical orthodoxy are a barrier to sensible global production.

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You sound like a very badly programmed third rate Chinese robot. If you are what China is aiming for then they are ****ed, good and proper.

You talk about robots a lot, but don't consider their implications for production.

Saw a Reuters article noting the vast PV capacity (90% of the world's production) in China, but they concluded by saying the PV market is China is limited, as if the entire third world doesn't exist ....obviously the Reuters half-wits think money, not resources, is the problem hindering takeup of PVs in the 3rd world.

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Reply #989 - Jan 29^th, 2024 at 11:33am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2024 at 11:24am:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 7:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2024 at 3:26pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2024 at 6:17pm:

Why do Marxists adopt 'lizard brain, dog eat dog, red in claw' capitalist policies an practices?
Why can't Marxism stand on its own principles (for which it has been making ridiculously large clims for almost two centuries)?

1. because the collectivization policies carried out in Marx's name, decades after his death, ignored human nature and the effects of incentive and reward.

2. The Marxist principle "workers of the world, unite" is increasingly irrelevant as AI and IT operate ever increasing sections of production. Today we need an above-poverty job guanrantee, to eradicate entrenched poverty.

Over-production is the problem today, as nations fight to protect their own markets and production facilities, because China can now easily outcompete the US and EU in growing EV and PV production, on quantity and price, in global markets.

So we are over-producing - but must give everyone a job to produce more. Do you remember your 'points' from one sentence to the next, idiotic robot?

Ah...good to see you engage your brain.

Obviously I have to lead you slowly, on the path to understanding.

No, we must give everyone a job which satisfies a social need, as manufacturing jobs are automated.

China alone could easily and most efficiently produce cars and PVs for the entire world, but geopolitics and neoclassical orthodoxy are a barrier to sensible global production.

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You sound like a very badly programmed third rate Chinese robot. If you are what China is aiming for then they are ****ed, good and proper.

You talk about robots a lot, but don't consider their implications for production.

Saw a Reuters article noting the vast PV capacity (90% of the world's production) in China, but they concluded by saying the PV market is China is limited, as if the entire third world doesn't exist ....obviously the Reuters half-wits think money, not resources, is the problem hindering takeup of PVs in the 3rd world.

So hy is China over-producing?
Why doesn't it give away its stuff for free to the third world - or inded the restof the world?
You want Wester countries to give away stuff for free. why not expect and demand the same from China?

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