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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6396 Hong Kong Gender:	Why is China seen in the West as a threat? Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:51pm China is seen in the West as a threat because it proves with its success, in all fields, that Western democracy is a failed experiment.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44409 Gender:	Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat? Reply #1 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:56pm Er....BECAUSE it is a threat. D'oh!
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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6396 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat? Reply #2 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:04pm America has 800 military bases across 80 countries around the world the UK has 124 Russia has 21 China has 1. Who then threatens the world more?
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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6396 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat? Reply #3 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:11pm Frank wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 6:56pm: Er....BECAUSE it is a threat. D'oh! Don't be arrogant and listen to a lecture before posting your moronic comments.
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Reply #4 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:14pm

You mean those friendly bases offshore are not militarily enhanced. Roll Eyes

"Two months before China’s Djibouti base began service in the Horn of Africa in August 2017, influential Chinese military adviser Jin Yinan urged Beijing to build more overseas bases to protect China’s distant maritime interests."

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3125171/size-chinas-navy-may-be...

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Reply #5 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:15pm

Because they are both powerful and delusional. What happens when they drink their own potato water?

50 million Chinese people starve to death. No repercussions for the CCP.

Covid protected from investigation for several months while the CCP pretended it did not exist, helping it spread rapidly and kill millions. No repercussions for the CCP.

What next?

Also, the CCP is granting it's citizens enormous economic freedoms, while attempting to curtail all their other freedoms. It is internally democratic, but externally autocratic. Neither of these are sustainable. China is destined for interesting times, and the misery created by the CCP with it's lies and incompetence is unlikely to respect national borders like it did with the Great Chinese Famine.

We are always one stupid idea away from catastrophe, and the CCP is not afraid of stupid ideas.

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Reply #6 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:24pm

Have to agree with you Athos.
China has done well.

From being invaded by the Japs.
Being invaded by the USSR and having land taken from them.
From rising from the ashes to become a now more powerful nation.
To become an Economic heavyweight.
To breeding millions of a Han population that is undiluted by foreigners to show a racial purity of strength.
To breeding even more Han in other countries, like becoming the largest racial group in Sydney (Shang-hai South).
To having a Pacific Fleet more numerous than the USA's global fleet.
To now having 500,000 Han in Russian territory re-taking what the USSR stole.
To sublimely dissolving Caucasoid Uighurs from its lands.
To having Nukes too.
To rescuing Hong Kong from the Opium British Drug Dealers and dealing with the British-made drug addict riots going cold turkey.
To sending vast shipments of illicit drugs to Australia and other nations in revenge to turn such populations into losers.
To getting ready to defeat the last Nationalist stronghold in Taiwan.

...I'm sure there's more to their superiority these days.

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Reply #7 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:32pm

freediver wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:15pm:

We are always one stupid idea away from catastrophe, and the CCP is not afraid of stupid ideas.

Yes. The CCP has a 19th century mindset of imperialism - trying to sail its Chinese junk down a 21st century river that ends in a waterfall.

It seems the CCP has learned nothing from Chinese 17th century political decline of its imperial legacy.

It just repeats it.

Maybe the CCP thinks 3rd time's a charm.

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Reply #8 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:34pm

freediver wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:15pm:

Because they are both powerful and delusional. What happens when they drink their own potato water?

50 million Chinese people starve to death. No repercussions for the CCP.

Covid protected from investigation for several months while the CCP pretended it did not exist, helping it spread rapidly and kill millions. No repercussions for the CCP.

What next?

Also, the CCP is granting it's citizens enormous economic freedoms, while attempting to curtail all their other freedoms. It is internally democratic, but externally autocratic. Neither of these are sustainable. China is destined for interesting times, and the misery created by the CCP with it's lies and incompetence is unlikely to respect national borders like it did with the Great Chinese Famine.

We are always one stupid idea away from catastrophe, and the CCP is not afraid of stupid ideas.

The election system in China is based on meritocracy with democracy. Chinese leaders start working from the lowest level. And it takes probably around 30 years to rise up to be president of China. Not only that, if I am not wrong, to be president of China, he or she MUST have a successful record of running a province with a population of at least 80 millions. So only the best of the best can be president of China. Chinese democracy with meritocracy is the best system in the world.
And to say that China is not a democracy is completely false. In fact, unlike Western plutocracy, China has the most successful democratic system in the world.

This is so much different from other western system of democracy where any, obedient deep state moron, can be president. And once an inexperienced (or even mentally incapacitated) person becomes president to run a country, that society suffers as you can see in many western countries.

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Reply #9 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:43pm

The problem here is China practice real democracy, whereas countries like America and Australia do not.
Democracy means rule of the people for the people (democratic outcome), it does not mean having a vote for the figurehead president (democratic process).
As a result, Chinese government policies cares far more about long term well being of the majority, and officials are regularly reprimanded and punished for under performance.
By contrast, elected western government serves the interest in the upper class oligarchs or their colonial masters, but cares very little for the common folks. Just look at Taiwan, Detroit and Portland.

Any educated Chinese will understand why the western electoral system does deliver democracy, because this system surrendered power of the state to rich oligarchs who pull the string from behind. All of the western 'free' media is paid for and controlled by the bourgeoisie, as are the eventual election outcome.

Who in the right mind believe that a senile old man clearly suffering from dementia can effectively rule over the wealthiest country in the world, making difficult decisions on the most complex of issues. He can't, instead a bunch of unelected faceless nameless people makes those decisions for him. The elected person just acts like the president, but don't expect he can function like one.

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Reply #10 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:45pm

Jasin wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:24pm:

Have to agree with you Athos.
China has done well.

From being invaded by the Japs.
Being invaded by the USSR and having land taken from them.
From rising from the ashes to become a now more powerful nation.
To become an Economic heavyweight.
To breeding millions of a Han population that is undiluted by foreigners to show a racial purity of strength.
To breeding even more Han in other countries, like becoming the largest racial group in Sydney (Shang-hai South).
To having a Pacific Fleet more numerous than the USA's global fleet.
To now having 500,000 Han in Russian territory re-taking what the USSR stole.
To sublimely dissolving Caucasoid Uighurs from its lands.
To having Nukes too.
To rescuing Hong Kong from the Opium British Drug Dealers and dealing with the British-made drug addict riots going cold turkey.
To sending vast shipments of illicit drugs to Australia and other nations in revenge to turn such populations into losers.
To getting ready to defeat the last Nationalist stronghold in Taiwan.

...I'm sure there's more to their superiority these days.

i have to agree on that one.

the chinese wanted the rare earth minerals in mexico.
they did a deal with the cartels to supply cheap , lab made fentalnyl in exchange for the cartels giving them access to the minerals.
mexico floods america with cocaine cut with varying ammounts of fentanyl which has resulted in 100,000 overdose deaths in the states and a nation of addicted losers .
china helps fund the cartels people trafficking operations which also affects american cohesion.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11736 Gender:	Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat? Reply #11 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:47pm Note the change in tone. Looks like the shadow "Athos" had to jump in. Although Chinelish is still evident.
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Reply #12 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:49pm

There's no need for jealousy, China is a great nation, because China takes care of her people first and foremost. In the past 20yrs, China has pulled 800,000,000 of her citizens out of extreme poverty, high speed rail is second to none, infrastructure is exceptional, technological advancement are amazing, etc. , wars? What wars?

Can we say the same about U S A (NATO)?

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Reply #13 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:50pm

athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:34pm:

The election system in China is based on meritocracy with democracy. Chinese leaders start working from the lowest level. And it takes probably around 30 years to rise up to be president of China. Not only that, if I am not wrong, to be president of China, he or she MUST have a successful record of running a province with a population of at least 80 millions. So only the best of the best can be president of China. Chinese democracy with meritocracy is the best system in the world.
And to say that China is not a democracy is completely false. In fact, unlike Western plutocracy, China has the most successful democratic system in the world.

This is so much different from other western system of democracy where any, obedient deep state moron, can be president. And once an inexperienced (or even mentally incapacitated) person becomes president to run a country, that society suffers as you can see in many western countries.

How is success determined under the CCP?

2nd generation family Maoists are now in charge and promoting 3rd generation family Maoists.

The CCP is a quasi-aristocracy.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17280 Gender:	Re: Why is China seen in the West as a threat? Reply #14 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:51pm athos wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:49pm: In the past 20yrs, China has pulled 800,000,000 of her citizens out of extreme poverty, high speed rail is second to none, infrastructure is exceptional, On the back of fossil fuels and industrial espionage.
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