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Reply #15 - Aug 21^st, 2022 at 10:17pm

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 8:54pm:

The idea that we need "baseload" is a complete furphy.

Rubbish. Baseload is merely the power requires as and when needed. Hospitals use power all the time. Therefore they require some of that baseload power. Home refrigeration requires some of that baseload power.

Even The Conversation is a convert.

"Renewable energy can provide baseload power - here’s how"

https://theconversation.com/renewable-energy-can-provide-baseload-power-heres-ho...

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Reply #16 - Aug 21^st, 2022 at 10:34pm

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 8:54pm:

The idea that we need "baseload" is a complete furphy. Demand fluctuates wildly with the time of day, season etc. We have done our best to massage demand so it looks like a flat line, but only because that's what the supply looked like. Except of course when a large thermal power station goes offline unexpectedly. Then we get plunged into darkness. But that's OK, we soon realise it's not the end of the world. The power has just gone out, that's all.

Unlike Clinton, you did inhale. You are trying to be ironic from BOTH ends of that spliff, FD. No baseload - power gone. Whatever your bag, man, m'kay......

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Reply #17 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 7:51am

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Hospitals use power all the time.

So what?

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Baseload is merely the power requires as and when needed.

It is not required, it is wanted. Just like chicken, or ipads. It is a meaningless concept, invented to explain our efforts in the past to make demand a flat line because the supply was a flat line. It is typically defined as the opposite of what you describe.

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Reply #18 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 7:55am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 10:06pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 8:54pm:

The idea that we need "baseload" is a complete furphy. Demand fluctuates wildly with the time of day, season etc. We have done our best to massage demand so it looks like a flat line, but only because that's what the supply looked like. Except of course when a large thermal power station goes offline unexpectedly. Then we get plunged into darkness. But that's OK, we soon realise it's not the end of the world. The power has just gone out, that's all.

Dear FD,
after a storm in an eastern suburb of Melbourne -
many trees fell over power lines -
there were 1000's of SES call outs and they couldn't cope.
The power went out for 3 days at some addresses.
Even the phone towers went out soon after -
so there was no communication possible if there was an emergency.

so -
no phone,
people couldn't turn on any lights,
they couldn't cook any food,
they couldn't watch TV,
they couldn't use their computers.
They had no hot water for showers or washing.
The couldn't do the laundry.
All the food in their fridges went off.

It was a very grim situation and I don't know if anyone died due
to being unable to call an ambulance.

That is actually less likely to happen when we switch to renewables.

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Reply #19 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 8:01am

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 7:55am:

That is actually less likely to happen when we switch to renewables.

But you wrote
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Then we get plunged into darkness.
But that's OK, we soon realise it's not the end of the world.
The power has just gone out, that's all.

All I am saying is that it's not OK.

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Reply #20 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 8:09am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 8:01am:

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 7:55am:

That is actually less likely to happen when we switch to renewables.

But you wrote
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Then we get plunged into darkness.
But that's OK, we soon realise it's not the end of the world.
The power has just gone out, that's all.

All I am saying is that it's not OK.

I don't recall anyone saying the sky is falling last time it happened. You probably don't even remember.

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Reply #22 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 8:50am

I'm just not happy with being paid 5c a Kw to put power into the system, and then being charged 40c for it when I take it out.... and then being told that my contribution doesn't pay its way.

Well - phark them and their shareholders. I'm re-visiting the idea of getting batteries installed and even cutting off supply from outside.

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Reply #23 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 9:22am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 8:50am:

I'm just not happy with being paid 5c a Kw to put power into the system, and then being charged 40c for it when I take it out.... and then being told that my contribution doesn't pay its way.

Well - phark them and their shareholders. I'm re-visiting the idea of getting batteries installed and even cutting off supply from outside.

The power companies have a good reason for that which
convinced the Govt. regulators.
A huge part of the cost of your electricity comes
from maintaining the network hardware e.g.
the power poles, transformers and transmission lines.
Why should you use that for free?

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Reply #24 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 10:11am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 9:22am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 8:50am:

I'm just not happy with being paid 5c a Kw to put power into the system, and then being charged 40c for it when I take it out.... and then being told that my contribution doesn't pay its way.

Well - phark them and their shareholders. I'm re-visiting the idea of getting batteries installed and even cutting off supply from outside.

The power companies have a good reason for that which
convinced the Govt. regulators.
A huge part of the cost of your electricity comes
from maintaining the network hardware e.g.
the power poles, transformers and transmission lines.
Why should you use that for free?

True, but that can all be done without privatising.
The problem with electricity is its essential.
Essential services should not be privatised.

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Reply #25 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 10:51am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 9:22am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 8:50am:

I'm just not happy with being paid 5c a Kw to put power into the system, and then being charged 40c for it when I take it out.... and then being told that my contribution doesn't pay its way.

Well - phark them and their shareholders. I'm re-visiting the idea of getting batteries installed and even cutting off supply from outside.

The power companies have a good reason for that which
convinced the Govt. regulators.
A huge part of the cost of your electricity comes
from maintaining the network hardware e.g.
the power poles, transformers and transmission lines.
Why should you use that for free?

Then I want a subsidy to get batteries. I'm easy - if it's too hard for them they can do it without me and my base payment of a connection fee that DOES cover their costs - Essential Energy - while I pay for usage to another company. They are lying, simple as that and I do not use the network for free.

Get the idea yet Bobby that they are lying to you again? Got a grip on how business operates in this country these days? Like some Third World Banana Republic dictatorship - and your government is not far behind that....

You ready to take back the asylum with me yet? I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips.....

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Reply #26 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 11:05am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 10:51am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 9:22am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 8:50am:

I'm just not happy with being paid 5c a Kw to put power into the system, and then being charged 40c for it when I take it out.... and then being told that my contribution doesn't pay its way.

Well - phark them and their shareholders. I'm re-visiting the idea of getting batteries installed and even cutting off supply from outside.

The power companies have a good reason for that which
convinced the Govt. regulators.
A huge part of the cost of your electricity comes
from maintaining the network hardware e.g.
the power poles, transformers and transmission lines.
Why should you use that for free?

Then I want a subsidy to get batteries. I'm easy - if it's too hard for them they can do it without me and my base payment of a connection fee that DOES cover their costs - Essential Energy - while I pay for usage to another company. They are lying, simple as that and I do not use the network for free.

Get the idea yet Bobby that they are lying to you again? Got a grip on how business operates in this country these days? Like some Third World Banana Republic dictatorship - and your government is not far behind that....

You ready to take back the asylum with me yet? I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips.....

Good Bobby Hunting...... a hit movie...

The corporate government of Australia has a job to do.
It's sole purpose is to remove money from us, and give it to the corporations.

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Reply #28 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 3:26pm

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 7:55am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 10:06pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 8:54pm:

The idea that we need "baseload" is a complete furphy. Demand fluctuates wildly with the time of day, season etc. We have done our best to massage demand so it looks like a flat line, but only because that's what the supply looked like. Except of course when a large thermal power station goes offline unexpectedly. Then we get plunged into darkness. But that's OK, we soon realise it's not the end of the world. The power has just gone out, that's all.

Dear FD,
after a storm in an eastern suburb of Melbourne -
many trees fell over power lines -
there were 1000's of SES call outs and they couldn't cope.
The power went out for 3 days at some addresses.
Even the phone towers went out soon after -
so there was no communication possible if there was an emergency.

so -
no phone,
people couldn't turn on any lights,
they couldn't cook any food,
they couldn't watch TV,
they couldn't use their computers.
They had no hot water for showers or washing.
The couldn't do the laundry.
All the food in their fridges went off.

It was a very grim situation and I don't know if anyone died due
to being unable to call an ambulance.

That is actually less likely to happen when we switch to renewables.

How is that? Going to knockdown all the power poles & make supply all underground?

Nevermind that even doing that makes the supply breakdown situation similar in times of flooding.

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Reply #29 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 3:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 9:22am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 8:50am:

I'm just not happy with being paid 5c a Kw to put power into the system, and then being charged 40c for it when I take it out.... and then being told that my contribution doesn't pay its way.

Well - phark them and their shareholders. I'm re-visiting the idea of getting batteries installed and even cutting off supply from outside.

The power companies have a good reason for that which
convinced the Govt. regulators.
A huge part of the cost of your electricity comes
from maintaining the network hardware e.g.
the power poles, transformers and transmission lines.
Why should you use that for free?

You don't get it for free ... check your bill.

And don't forget states sold off electricity assets to private enterprise .....

and they have had a pretty shyte record of reducing infrastructure maintenance in the hunt for profits ......

yet all customers are still being charged increased fees for that system maintenance.

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