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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24637 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1350 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 1:55pm Whilst we are getting favourable trade deals with India and China, we really have no reason to complain. Pump out 5 children per family to arrest the decline in our birth rates, if you want to see immigration to Australia get vastly reduced.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74274 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1351 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 2:07pm UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 1:55pm: Pump out 5 children per family to arrest the decline in our birth rates easy ehh ... never mind the approx $25k each child per year that it will cost you to raise them.
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Reply #1352 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 2:25pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

Pump out 5 children per family to arrest the decline in our birth rates

easy ehh ... never mind the approx $25k each child per year that it will cost you to raise them. Roll Eyes

$10K per year would be sufficient. Ignoring the rent, fuel and utilities bill, if I spend more than $200 a week on myself, I am overspending. Surely a child is not as expensive.

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Reply #1353 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 3:54pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 2:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

Pump out 5 children per family to arrest the decline in our birth rates

easy ehh ... never mind the approx $25k each child per year that it will cost you to raise them. Roll Eyes

$10K per year would be sufficient. Ignoring the rent, fuel and utilities bill, if I spend more than $200 a week on myself, I am overspending. Surely a child is not as expensive.

If you want the child to be of value to the country, they cost far more than that.

Most larger families, if the children even share the same parents, aren't able to provide nearly enough for the children to grow up and not simply be a drain on society.

It's a harsh thing to say, but the truth is the truth.

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 44858 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1354 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:47pm A migrant a minute has entered the UK for the last 2 years. That means we need to build a new home every 2 minutes. 50% are dependants, ie not productive. https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1801353471565660168
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103262 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1355 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:50pm Frank wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:47pm: A migrant a minute has entered the UK for the last 2 years. That means we need to build a new home every 2 minutes. 50% are dependants, ie not productive. https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1801353471565660168
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 44858 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1356 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 5:55pm Not only but also:
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Reply #1357 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 6:44pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 3:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 2:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

Pump out 5 children per family to arrest the decline in our birth rates

easy ehh ... never mind the approx $25k each child per year that it will cost you to raise them. Roll Eyes

$10K per year would be sufficient. Ignoring the rent, fuel and utilities bill, if I spend more than $200 a week on myself, I am overspending. Surely a child is not as expensive.

If you want the child to be of value to the country, they cost far more than that.

Most larger families, if the children even share the same parents, aren't able to provide nearly enough for the children to grow up and not simply be a drain on society.

It's a harsh thing to say, but the truth is the truth.

SK, when I was growing up, it would probably cost my parents about 5K (on average) per year to feed and clothe me. I might well have eaten the equivalent cost of $50 a week in groceries. The other $50 a week would have been school supplies, clothing, electricity (my share of it), and other minor costs. In fact, on a bad week, I might have been costing my parents $100 (especially in the lead up to school).

27 years later, the cost of living has doubled. A child would cost $200 per week to maintain. You would have to be kidding to think that a child would cost $500 per week, as John Smith suggested, to raise. Perhaps if you were sending them to a private school, they would be costing quite a bit. But, usually, children attending those schools would be from upper-middle-income families.

Family Tax benefits still exist. Mum and Dad did push to have the house mortgage paid off. But they would have struggled if they did not have payments from Centrelink to help support raise myself and my siblings.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103262 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1358 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 9:00pm Yes USR, childcare can cost $100 per day per kid.
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24637 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1359 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 9:33pm Why the hell would you be spending $100 a day on childcare? If you have a job and you want to have children, you take off time from work. Young mothers that I have worked with have worked out that they can take their children to work to keep an eye on them. Others delegate babysitting duties with their partners/husbands.
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Reply #1360 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 9:43pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 9:33pm:

Why the hell would you be spending $100 a day on childcare? If you have a job and you want to have children, you take off time from work. Young mothers that I have worked with have worked out that they can take their children to work to keep an eye on them. Others delegate babysitting duties with their partners/husbands.

I knew a mother with 2 kids at my last job who was paying $1,000 a week for childcare.
Both she and her hubby were working.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24637 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1361 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 9:44pm Unless they were making $300,000 a year, it is barely worthwhile to use childcare. One of them can quit their job and save on childcare.
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Reply #1362 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 9:59pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

Unless they were making $300,000 a year, it is barely worthwhile to use childcare.
One of them can quit their job and save on childcare.

That mother was too scared to drop out of the workforce in case
she could never get back in so she basically worked for almost nothing
after paying childcare.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24637 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1363 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 10:01pm If you work for nothing, then you might as well not work.
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Reply #1364 - Jun 15^th, 2024 at 1:18pm

Frank wrote on Jun 14^th, 2024 at 1:25pm:

A leading economist has blamed free trade and immigration deals with India made by both major parties for Australia’s inability to control the level of migration and the type of migrants they now claim are needed by the construction industry.

Leith van Onselen wrote in Macrobusiness on Tuesday that the Free Trade Agreement signed with Delhi by the Morrison Coalition government in April 2022 “baked in the importation of yoga teachers”, after it was revealed that Labor’s Jobs and Skills Australia consultation list prioritises those workers ahead of skilled migrants supposedly needed to build homes.

According to the document, yoga instructors, martial artists and dog handlers can be fast-tracked into Australia while plumbers, bricklayers and cabinetmakers are not on the core skills list.

The Morrison FTA put 1,800 yoga teachers in a special category along with chefs, allowing them to stay for more than four years.

“The yoga instructor visa farce was basically a gift to India, alongside the recently signed migration pacts that gives greater rights to Indians wishing to work and migrate to Australia than other nations,” Mr van Onselen wrote.

“Through its various dumb migration deals, Australia has effectively Swiss cheesed its immigration policy, reduced its ability to control migration numbers and quality, and reduced Australia’s sovereignty in controlling its borders.

“We are not a serious country.”

Onselen is correct as far as it goes.

Every nation wants to employ its own citizens, which is why the US and EU are shutting out superior value-for- money Chinese EVs, as they try to maintain employment in their own car industries.

But 3rd world countries can't emply all their graduates, while first world countries can't employ - or don't bother to train - all their unskilled workers.

"Free trade" is moot, in the present dysfunctional global financial system, and geo-political conflicts.

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FTAs with third worlders like India, China are stupid/insidious.

Yes, under present global mismagement of nations' trading arrangements (eg the WTO is currently crippled by US "America First" aspirations.

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"The US has been blocking the appointment of new judges to the WTO's seven-member appellate court since 2017 on grounds of judicial activism at the WTO and concerns over US sovereignty. The lack of a functional Appellate Body is concerning as global trade is already slowing with growing geo-political tensions.28 Jan 2024

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