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Reply #1515 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 3:20pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 10:09pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 11:56am:
Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 6:48pm:
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Immigration


Labor's Housing Crisis: Stripping Australians of Homeownership – One Nation Fights Back

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out of all the people they imported only 1,800 were qualified tradies
from 737,000 people  2022/ 2023




Pauline's railing against "marxists" who want the government to own homes, but she's happy to have private investors  - rent seekers -  owning homes.

Houses are for living in,  NOT investment vehicles for private rent-seekers. 

As for immigration, it's caused by conflict and poverty in the source countries; the IMF needs to be abolished for its failure to ensure prosperity in all nations. 

https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=62033

IMF surcharges cripple the poorest nations and transfer wealth from the poorest to the richest nations


All because the IMF follows the current orthodoxy that only private financiers can create (and lend) money, while governments are forced to borrow (or tax). 
   

Silly nonsense, of course.

Japan and Korea are prosperous while capitalist without any immigration.
Please explain.


1. Korea has a housing problem** caused by the same flat-earth neoclassical economics enforcing government austerity everywhere, , and Japan's population is falling due to low economic growth.

** https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/why-south-koreas-housing-market-is-so-vul

2. The poorest countries in the world - which the IMF makes poorer - are often ravaged by poverty and war, and are the chief originating countries for economic refugees.

Please engage your brain.   


Silly nonsense.


Another brain incapable of examining causes (eg of disruptive immigration, and overpriced housing) - a malady caused by reading Murdoch's rags. 
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Reply #1516 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 3:29pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 10:41pm:
Another thing that interesting to myself is why do immigrants choose Australia?


Because it's a "first world" country with better prospects for families than low income developing countries, certainly better than 3rd world countries and failed states.   

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We aren’t exactly ranked that high on world living standards so does the country attract a “ when all else fails “ type of immigrants?
And is that a bad thing?


Globally, we rank as 'first world' -  much better economically than the 3rd world.

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Immigration isn’t a terrible thing but it’s very complex and anything but boring.


Not so complex, but mainstream economists make it so.

People prefer to live and raise families in their own country of birth, but the opportunites in 1st world countries are much greater.

Oz benefits because it can steal trained workers for free, instead of paying to educate its own workforce.

Other countries that have reached population limits, eg in the EU, are beginning to resent immigration because the benefits are less than the downsides, hence the 'populist right' AfD in Germany - a very large minority party with c.40% of electoral support, cf Hanson's One Nation in Oz,  which has <10% support.

But Frank and graps are too incompetent to consider the causes of unwanted immigration.

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Reply #1517 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 3:48pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 8:31am:
Given the history of 'palestinians' in countries that have taken them in - do we really want any more disruptive Muslims here with their radical agenda?


Palestinians (no commas)  actually want their own state....

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I return you to my idea of provisional citizenship - two serious mistakes and you're out again.  There is enough disruption and disintegration in this country now to not want any more.


Yep - chuck'em out, or lock'em up if you can't chuck them out (because they are citizens). Ignore causes.

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My doctor is a Sri Lankan lady and one of the best.


And she wouldn't have dreamt of coming to Oz, if  Sri Lanka was a propserous country.

 
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Reply #1518 - Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:26pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 3:20pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 10:09pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 11:56am:
Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 6:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 12th, 2024 at 12:26pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2024 at 6:02pm:
Immigration


Labor's Housing Crisis: Stripping Australians of Homeownership – One Nation Fights Back

Jump to 1:18 -

out of all the people they imported only 1,800 were qualified tradies
from 737,000 people  2022/ 2023




Pauline's railing against "marxists" who want the government to own homes, but she's happy to have private investors  - rent seekers -  owning homes.

Houses are for living in,  NOT investment vehicles for private rent-seekers. 

As for immigration, it's caused by conflict and poverty in the source countries; the IMF needs to be abolished for its failure to ensure prosperity in all nations. 

https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=62033

IMF surcharges cripple the poorest nations and transfer wealth from the poorest to the richest nations


All because the IMF follows the current orthodoxy that only private financiers can create (and lend) money, while governments are forced to borrow (or tax). 
   

Silly nonsense, of course.

Japan and Korea are prosperous while capitalist without any immigration.
Please explain.


1. Korea has a housing problem** caused by the same flat-earth neoclassical economics enforcing government austerity everywhere, , and Japan's population is falling due to low economic growth.

** https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/why-south-koreas-housing-market-is-so-vul

2. The poorest countries in the world - which the IMF makes poorer - are often ravaged by poverty and war, and are the chief originating countries for economic refugees.

Please engage your brain.   


Silly nonsense.


Another brain incapable of examining causes (eg of disruptive immigration, and overpriced housing) - a malady caused by reading Murdoch's rags. 


Nobel Prize in economics awarded to trio for explaining why some nations are rich and others poor




https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/14/business/nobel-prize-economics-acemoglu-johns...
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Reply #1519 - Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:20am
 
Thanks for the laugh, Frank - good to know that such an idea needs a Nobel Prize - part of the LPS - Learned Professor Syndrome -  ... such deep thinking...  anyone in the street could come up with that thinking without a second thought.... glurg ...

Your next task is to explain to us why governments here are intent on destroying the fair rule of law for all, and on introducing and perpetuating social and economic divides - and why this means that - overall - Australia is LOSING general prosperity (hint -'extractive politics'?).

I'll consider this in the context of the rise of Neo-feudalism in the West - along with the rise of the Robber Barons (those who - as someone mentioned in another strand - have these 'instant millionaire get rich quick' ideas instead of a functional business developing cash over time - something you see in those who 'buy' into 'privatised' schemes, thus creating disaster for consumers) which fits neatly into this extractive thing ....

I'll take it on board....
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Reply #1520 - Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:31am
 
Sure, sure, dividie - we'll make all countries economically and socially equal so that trade dies...

FYI - trade and international interaction rely on differences in culture and prosperity... in a way those Arab 'princes' are doing the world a favour by perpetuating gross differences in income - not that on the ground it is getting better here.........

Yes, Bobby - houses are for OWNERS to live in - not as investment vehicles sucking up the available pool of funds required for genuine infrastructure development towards a viable future for this country.

Switzerland sounds good...

Immigration of masses?  Stop it NOW!
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Reply #1521 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 5:04am
 
The Australian government has added India to the working holiday visa program, resulting in 40,000 applications in just two weeks.

Assistant Minister for Immigration Matt Thistlethwaite visited New Delhi on Monday to launch the program, which will allow 1,000 eligible Indian citizens aged between 18 to 30 to enter Australia to study or work, with no restrictions on jobs.

Pre-application ballot registrations for the one-year Work and Holiday (WHM) (subclass 462) visa opened on October 1, and tens of thousands have already applied with two weeks still to go until ballots close, Mr Thistlethwaite announced.

“The great thing about the Working Holiday Maker visa is that there are no restrictions on the jobs you can do. Till now, 40,000 applications have been received for the 1,000 visa spots,” he said.
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Reply #1522 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 5:35am
 

Labor's Immigration Crisis: How It's Fueling the Housing and Cost of Living Disaster





Oct 17, 2024

Labor is failing Australians with their reckless economic policies, and it’s the everyday Aussies who are paying the price.

While Albo cries crocodile tears about his past, I’m focused on the future and what I can do to help struggling Australians today.

Families are battling with rising costs and can’t even afford a roof over their heads. Yet Labor is bringing in over a million migrants for a quick economic boost to make their numbers look better.

This isn’t a real solution, it’s just a bandaid to cover up their poor economic management.

We need to cut immigration to net zero, crack down on scam visas, and find those who shouldn’t be here and deport them.

It's time to ban foreign ownership of homes and give hardworking Aussies a fair shot at owning a place of their own.

Enough with the spin and the crocodile tears.

Vote One Nation and together we can fix the housing crisis and ease the cost-of-living burden for all Australians.
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Reply #1523 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 12:44pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 4:26pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 15th, 2024 at 3:20pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 10:09pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2024 at 11:56am:
Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 6:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 12th, 2024 at 12:26pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2024 at 6:02pm:
Immigration


Labor's Housing Crisis: Stripping Australians of Homeownership – One Nation Fights Back

Jump to 1:18 -

out of all the people they imported only 1,800 were qualified tradies
from 737,000 people  2022/ 2023




Pauline's railing against "marxists" who want the government to own homes, but she's happy to have private investors  - rent seekers -  owning homes.

Houses are for living in,  NOT investment vehicles for private rent-seekers. 

As for immigration, it's caused by conflict and poverty in the source countries; the IMF needs to be abolished for its failure to ensure prosperity in all nations. 

https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=62033

IMF surcharges cripple the poorest nations and transfer wealth from the poorest to the richest nations


All because the IMF follows the current orthodoxy that only private financiers can create (and lend) money, while governments are forced to borrow (or tax). 
   

Silly nonsense, of course.

Japan and Korea are prosperous while capitalist without any immigration.
Please explain.


1. Korea has a housing problem** caused by the same flat-earth neoclassical economics enforcing government austerity everywhere, , and Japan's population is falling due to low economic growth.

** https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/why-south-koreas-housing-market-is-so-vul

2. The poorest countries in the world - which the IMF makes poorer - are often ravaged by poverty and war, and are the chief originating countries for economic refugees.

Please engage your brain.   


Silly nonsense.


Another brain incapable of examining causes (eg of disruptive immigration, and overpriced housing) - a malady caused by reading Murdoch's rags. 


Nobel Prize in economics awarded to trio for explaining why some nations are rich and others poor




https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/14/business/nobel-prize-economics-acemoglu-johns...


Bingo.

Steve Keen has exposed the idiocy of the  neoclassical economists at the Swedish reserve bank, judging awards for the Nobel Prize in Economics.

https://www.google.com/search?q=jung+and+naiv++Keen&sca_esv=339a018dea4bc811&biw...
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Reply #1524 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 1:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 5:35am:
Labor's Immigration Crisis: How It's Fueling the Housing and Cost of Living Disaster




We need to cut immigration to net zero, crack down on scam visas, and find those who shouldn’t be here and deport them.

It's time to ban foreign ownership of homes and give hardworking Aussies a fair shot at owning a place of their own.

Enough with the spin and the crocodile tears.

Vote One Nation and together we can fix the housing crisis and ease the cost-of-living burden for all Australians.


Er...Oz has the most overpriced housing in the world.

Pauline's  policies alone won't reduce Oz housing prices sufficiently,  to ensure  houses are affordable for median wage earners.  Even builders are going broke because of high costs and unaffordable high prices for buyers. 

The government will have to build and own public housing again, like it did before the  Thatcher 'small government' ideology wrecked the economy for average workers.   
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Reply #1525 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 1:32pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:20am:
Thanks for the laugh, Frank - good to know that such an idea needs a Nobel Prize - part of the LPS - Learned Professor Syndrome -  ... such deep thinking...  anyone in the street could come up with that thinking without a second thought.... glurg ...[


Exactly, these guys are the neoclassical flat-earthers who are running the world's financial system and the IMF (see the link in my previous post).

Rich countries have more resources than poor ones; or the rich exploit the resources of poor ones, sending the profits back home.   

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Your next task is to explain to us why governments here are intent on destroying the fair rule of law for all, and on introducing and perpetuating social and economic divides - and why this means that - overall - Australia is LOSING general prosperity (hint -'extractive politics'?).


Govts. aren't intent on "destroying fair rule of law for all", though your 'personal responsibility' ideology is entrenching  poverty (and the gap). Oz is suffering a per capita recession because of mainstream economic dysfunction. 

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I'll consider this in the context of the rise of Neo-feudalism in the West - along with the rise of the Robber Barons (those who - as someone mentioned in another strand - have these 'instant millionaire get rich quick' ideas instead of a functional business developing cash over time - something you see in those who 'buy' into 'privatised' schemes, thus creating disaster for consumers) which fits neatly into this extractive thing ....

I'll take it on board....


All part of unregulated capitalism and neoliberal markets, and government abandoning housing to facilitate  (non-productive) housing as an investment vehicle for rent-seekers.   
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Reply #1526 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 1:53pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 16th, 2024 at 10:31am:
Sure, sure, dividie - we'll make all countries economically and socially equal so that trade dies...


You are still repeating the Conservative lie that equality of opportunity means equality of outcome.

Prosperity for all countries doesn't mean all countries are socially and economically equal.

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FYI - trade and international interaction rely on differences in culture and prosperity...


..and Trump in wealthy America, blaming China, is dead set on 'decoupling' from China to MAGA; at least Oz is prepared to trade iron ore for EVs, though Albo wants to make expensive PVs here instead of importing less expensive (good quality) ones fron China, owing to dysfunctional IMF and WTO arrangements.   

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in a way those Arab 'princes' are doing the world a favour by perpetuating gross differences in income - not that on the ground it is getting better here.........


Note it's  China who is developing (poor) Africa via investment in infrastructure; the West only stole Africa's resources for generations. 

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Yes, Bobby - houses are for OWNERS to live in -


...provided they can afford to BUY a house....

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not as investment vehicles sucking up the available pool of funds required for genuine infrastructure development towards a viable future for this country.


A correct statement from you, it's a 'long time between drinks',  though...


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Reply #1527 - Oct 18th, 2024 at 2:49pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
Er...Oz has the most overpriced housing in the world.

Pauline's  policies alone won't reduce Oz housing prices sufficiently,  to ensure  houses are affordable for median wage earners.  Even builders are going broke because of high costs and unaffordable high prices for buyers. 

The government will have to build and own public housing again, like it did before the  Thatcher 'small government' ideology wrecked the economy for average workers.   



No - the Govt. just needs to stop mass immigration
when there are is no housing available.


They are turning Australian cities into new Calcutta's.
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Reply #1528 - Oct 21st, 2024 at 4:02pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 2:49pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 18th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
Er...Oz has the most overpriced housing in the world.

Pauline's  policies alone won't reduce Oz housing prices sufficiently,  to ensure  houses are affordable for median wage earners.  Even builders are going broke because of high costs and unaffordable high prices for buyers. 

The government will have to build and own public housing again, like it did before the  Thatcher 'small government' ideology wrecked the economy for average workers.   


No - the Govt. just needs to stop mass immigration
when there are is no housing available.

They are turning Australian cities into new Calcutta's.


And how long will it take, given no more immigration from now, to enable the  supply of the needed 1 million homes at prices the median wage earner can afford, in the private sector market?


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Reply #1529 - Oct 21st, 2024 at 4:52pm
 
Australia has always suffered a housing shortage.  In particular after WWII, there were significantly fewer houses than there were residents.  It wasn't until the 1970s that the housing industry caught up.  Pauline is just taking advantage (as she always does) of the situation to drive a wedge into the Australian psyche and you lot are falling for it, hook, line and sinker.  If Pauline offered a real alternative, she'd be PM but as usual, she doesn't have an idea in her empty head.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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