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Reply #1740 - Feb 18th, 2025 at 12:37pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 18th, 2025 at 12:27pm:
I see the "Know nothings" have a stronghold in Australia.  J.D.Vance was the vice-president of the USA, last time I check.  His words are meaningless for Australia, a nation build through immigration and the efforts of immigrants.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




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Reply #1742 - Feb 18th, 2025 at 12:49pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 18th, 2025 at 12:27pm:
I see the "Know nothings" have a stronghold in Australia.  J.D.Vance was the vice-president of the USA, last time I check.  His words are meaningless for Australia, a nation build through immigration and the efforts of immigrants.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Interesting post, I suggest and happy to easily provide proof that America has been built by immigration on a scale that leaves Australia, just not even worthy of comparison?

Unusually flawed argument from yourself.

Tsk, tsk, tsk yourself 😂
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Reply #1743 - Feb 18th, 2025 at 4:23pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 18th, 2025 at 12:27pm:
I see the "Know nothings" have a stronghold in Australia.  J.D.Vance was the vice-president of the USA, last time I check.  His words are meaningless for Australia, a nation build through immigration and the efforts of immigrants.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


And of all the pressing challenges that the nations represented here face, I believe there is nothing more urgent than mass migration. Today, almost one in five people living in this country moved here from abroad. That is, of course, an all time high. It's a similar number, by the way, in the United States, also an all time high. The number of immigrants who entered the EU from non-EU countries doubled between 2021 and 2022 alone. And of course, it's gotten much higher since.

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And we know the situation. It didn't materialise in a vacuum. It's the result of a series of conscious decisions made by politicians all over the continent... How many times must we suffer these appalling setbacks before we change course and take our shared civilisation in a new direction? No voter on this continent went to the ballot box to open the floodgates to millions of unvetted immigrants.

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In 2022, 29.5% of people in Australia were born overseas (Figure 1), and almost half (48%) have a parent born overseas (ABS 2022; ABS 2023a).
So it is even worse in Australia than in Europe or the US.


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Reply #1744 - Feb 18th, 2025 at 4:31pm
 
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #1745 - Feb 18th, 2025 at 5:12pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 18th, 2025 at 4:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 18th, 2025 at 12:27pm:
I see the "Know nothings" have a stronghold in Australia.  J.D.Vance was the vice-president of the USA, last time I check.  His words are meaningless for Australia, a nation build through immigration and the efforts of immigrants.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


And of all the pressing challenges that the nations represented here face, I believe there is nothing more urgent than mass migration. Today, almost one in five people living in this country moved here from abroad. That is, of course, an all time high. It's a similar number, by the way, in the United States, also an all time high. The number of immigrants who entered the EU from non-EU countries doubled between 2021 and 2022 alone. And of course, it's gotten much higher since.

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And we know the situation. It didn't materialise in a vacuum. It's the result of a series of conscious decisions made by politicians all over the continent... How many times must we suffer these appalling setbacks before we change course and take our shared civilisation in a new direction? No voter on this continent went to the ballot box to open the floodgates to millions of unvetted immigrants.

Vance



In 2022, 29.5% of people in Australia were born overseas (Figure 1), and almost half (48%) have a parent born overseas (ABS 2022; ABS 2023a).
So it is even worse in Australia than in Europe or the US.




You change the people, you change the country.

That's what replacement means. It is happening before our eyes.



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Reply #1746 - Feb 18th, 2025 at 5:18pm
 

Two charged after Quran burning incident outside Turkish consulate.

The man that burnt the Quran has been remanded.

The man that attacked him with a knife has been bailed.

Let that sink in.


This tells us something about where a once great nation is headed: if you were really interested in assimilating the migrants to the "British values" you keep banging on about, you would point out that in free countries people are free to burn books, and, regrettable as that may be, you just have to get used to it - as JK Rowling has, when the psycho-trannies light up Harry Potter on Twitter. Instead, the Koran-burner is in prison awaiting his trial for a "religiously motivated public order offence". Which is wanker-speak for the new blasphemy law.

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Reply #1747 - Feb 18th, 2025 at 6:42pm
 
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Reply #1748 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 9:16am
 
The crisis across Western politics today is that immigration has run totally out of control in three ways – its sheer size, its low-skill and sometimes culturally incompatible composition, and the grave inability of governments to protect their borders or control their immigration numbers.

In this, as in many areas of policy, the courts have become effectively the enemies of democracy.


The British government was prevented from deporting a convicted Albanian criminal back to Albania. It was deemed that such a deportation would prevent his enjoying a normal family life, which is guaranteed under the European Convention on Human Rights, of which Britain is still, balefully, a member.

The Albanian criminal’s 10-year-old son, the immigration tribunal was told, was sensitive to certain types of food. According to British press reports the only example given was that he didn’t like “foreign chicken nuggets”. So the immigration tribunal ruled it would be “unduly harsh” to remove the father from Britain as the son might go with him and suffer the indignity of foreign chicken nuggets. Therefore the Albanian criminal could stay in England. The case is ongoing.

In another case, a Nigerian woman who came to Britain in 2011 had failed in eight attempts to secure asylum status. Each time she appealed and was granted further time. Several years after her arrival in Britain she joined a group regarded as a terrorist outfit in Nigeria, the Indigenous People of Biafra.

According to British media reports, the court ruled eventually that she had joined that group solely to establish, under the international refugee convention, that she suffered “a well-grounded fear of persecution” should she return. Although the court determined her motive was to gain asylum status, it nonetheless also ruled that, because she had joined that group, she would indeed suffer persecution if returned home and so she was granted asylum in Britain.

In a third case a family of Gazans was able to convince a court to grant them residency under a program the government set up explicitly to allow Ukrainians to come to Britain.
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Reply #1749 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 12:37pm
 
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Reply #1750 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:18pm
 
The immigration issue is determining election results all over the Western world. Joe Biden’s woeful record on failing to stem illegal immigration to the US, along with inflation, was the greatest cause of Donald Trump’s remarkable comeback election victory.

It’s the dominant issue in the German election on February 23. The Alternative for Germany party, which other parties describe as far right, could come second, perhaps winning all the states of the former East Germany. It takes the strongest position favouring control of Germany’s borders. The Christian Democrats have moved in the same direction.

In Britain, Nigel Farage’s Reform UK party has promised “net zero” immigration. Both Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch and Labour Prime Minister Keir Starmer have moved to much tougher immigration stances. All week British television was showing footage of British officials arresting and deporting illegal immigrants.

Across the West, one of the biggest fights is between governments on one side, with an overwhelming desire by the electorate to take control of borders, and liberal judges on the other side, who have effectively come to the view that almost any deportation is a human rights breach.

Thus Italy’s Prime Minister, Giorgia Meloni, the strongest national leader in Western Europe today, is continually prevented by Italian courts, interpreting European law, from deporting illegal arrivals, and those picked up at sea as they approach Italy, to assessment centres in Albania.

British courts stopped the previous Conservative government from sending illegal boat arrivals to Rwanda for assessment. These schemes and others emulate the Australian policies pioneered by John Howard and Tony Abbott.

Former Conservative security minister Tom Tugendhat, who was a leadership contender after the election and is now a backbench MP, tells me in his Westminster office: “Australia is the only major Western nation to establish the legitimacy of its immigration program.” Abbott’s action in stopping illegal immigration by boat after it had once before been stopped under Howard, then come roaring back under Labor, was an epic achievement of historic significance, for which he enjoys the highest reputation among Western policymakers.

All the societies mentioned – the US, Britain, Australia, Germany, Italy – have welcomed immigrants in the past. Almost all Western societies are now multiracial and ethnically and religiously diverse. Britain has an Opposition Leader, Badenoch, of African origin, immediately after having a prime minister, Rishi Sunak, of Indian origin. The US had an African-American president, Barack Obama, and later an African-American vice-president, Kamala Harris. And so on.

The almost insane academic and political left presents Western societies as inherently, distinctively and wickedly racist, so much so that half of young Brits believe their society to be racist.

In fact Western nations are the most anti-racist nations on earth and in human history. No nation outside the Western tradition regularly sees members of ethnic minorities become national government leaders.
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Reply #1751 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:19pm
 
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Reply #1752 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 4:20pm
 
The crisis across Western politics today is that immigration has run totally out of control in three ways – its sheer size, its low-skill and sometimes culturally incompatible composition, and the grave inability of governments to protect their borders or control their immigration numbers.

In this, as in many areas of policy, the courts have become effectively the enemies of democracy.

Many traditionally pro-immigration figures, such as this author, now recognise that while a well-balanced, controlled and properly proportioned immigration program makes a big contribution, today the situation has run dangerously out of control in many Western societies.
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Reply #1753 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 5:18pm
 

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Reply #1754 - Feb 19th, 2025 at 5:42pm
 
Leaving aside whether there’s a significant minority who don’t accept British values, liberal democracy, elements of the universal rule of law and the like, British services simply can’t keep up with the demands of this influx.

The British voted to leave the EU in part to regain control of their immigration program.

The Conservatives, especially under Boris Johnson, failed utterly to regain that control and deliver the lower immigration they promised. More than anything, that’s why the Conservatives lost office so resoundingly.

Despite the high-publicity expulsions, Starmer’s government is taking actions that will make the problem worse. It’s reinstating the right of people who arrive illegally to eventually claim citizenship. It has also made it clear that there are no circumstances under which it will leave the European Convention on Human Rights. Because that document is so vaguely worded, highly liberal British courts interpret abstract nouns in such a way as to stymie government efforts at enforcement, no matter what the electorate wants.
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Trump is regaining control of the border - and boy! do the wanker Bbwianesque ruinations and underminers of the West hate him for it!
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