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Re: Immigration
Reply #1815 - Yesterday at 5:19pm

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 5:03pm:

As we have seen with the previous Liberal Government, stripping the citizenship from people is harder than you think, Bobby. Collective punishments would fail in the High Court. Just as unrestricted incarceration failed with immigrants, so would collective punishments for crimes they have not personally committed. It runs simple against what Australia is meant to stand for. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Then how do you propose to stop the crime wave?

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Reply #1816 - Yesterday at 7:08pm

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 5:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 5:03pm:

As we have seen with the previous Liberal Government, stripping the citizenship from people is harder than you think, Bobby. Collective punishments would fail in the High Court. Just as unrestricted incarceration failed with immigrants, so would collective punishments for crimes they have not personally committed. It runs simple against what Australia is meant to stand for. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Then how do you propose to stop the crime wave?

Give the REAL perps three chances - after that pack your bags - no appeals listened to... maybe it should be one chance in such things as ripping off the disabled and such or ripping off government cash for childcare and similar... serious things like that, which involve a lot of hard cash.

Deportation or exile - easy for the Cheeses since they will have Aborassic Park (The Abo Ark) to be exiled to, once proven to be not yet ready for human company... quick pack of the bags, on the train and off they go... homeland away from home!! The NT government is making preparations, moving the Alice Springs crims way north within easy reach of Arnhem Land - just in case it is declared a fully fledged Homeland and all funding from Australia is withdrawn. Quick trip sideways and they're in!!

Now then - about those Abo honchos and all that royalty money.... and all the gift money for this and that... how are those audits going again? Just in case you've all forgotten since the media have let those go in an election year ... someone has been handy with the brown paper bags, methinks.....

Ministry of Public Information - dedicated to keeping the people ignorant of as many things as possible.....

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Re: Immigration
Reply #1817 - Yesterday at 7:57pm

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 5:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 5:03pm:

As we have seen with the previous Liberal Government, stripping the citizenship from people is harder than you think, Bobby. Collective punishments would fail in the High Court. Just as unrestricted incarceration failed with immigrants, so would collective punishments for crimes they have not personally committed. It runs simple against what Australia is meant to stand for. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Then how do you propose to stop the crime wave?

I'd listen to what the experts advise, Bobby. Something no one would accuse you of doing, now could they? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107497 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1818 - Yesterday at 8:23pm Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 7:57pm: I'd listen to what the experts advise, Bobby. Something no one would accuse you of doing, now could they? Tsk, tsk, tsk... So - what did the experts advise?
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Reply #1819 - Yesterday at 9:49pm

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 8:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 7:57pm:

I'd listen to what the experts advise, Bobby. Something no one would accuse you of doing, now could they? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

So - what did the experts advise?

Section 36D of the Citizenship Act allows the minister to apply to a court for an order to cease a person’s Australian citizenship.

The Act (section 36C) states that the court may make an order to cease a person’s Australian citizenship if:

the person is aged 14 years or over
the person is a dual national
the person has been convicted of one or more serious offences
the court has imposed a period or periods of imprisonment that total at least 3 years or more, and
the conduct the offence relates to is so serious and significant that it demonstrates that the person has repudiated their allegiance to Australia.
Section 36C of the Citizenship Act sets out the serious offences relevant to citizenship cessation. These offences show a clear link to the breaking of the common bond. This shows that a person has repudiated their allegiance to Australia.

Serious offences specified in the Act, are provided under the Criminal Code and include:

certain terrorism offences including breaches of Extended Supervision Orders and Interim Supervision Orders
treason
espionage
foreign interference
advocating mutiny
foreign incursions and recruitment offences
certain explosives and lethal devices offences.
In deciding whether a person’s conduct is so serious and significant that it demonstrates they have repudiated their allegiance to Australia, the court must consider:

whether the person has engaged in conduct that demonstrates a repudiation of the values, democratic beliefs, rights and liberties which underpin Australian society
the degree, duration or scale of the person’s commitment to, or involvement in, the conduct constituting to which the offence relates
the intended scale of the conduct to which the conviction relates
the actual impact of the conduct to which the conviction relates
whether the conduct caused, or was intended to cause, harm to human life or a loss of human life.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18944 Gender:	Re: Immigration Reply #1820 - Yesterday at 9:52pm Refugees get priority with government housing. No homeless refugees yet plenty of homeless Autsralians This refugee says 2 weeks while Aussies wait for years. Quote: All so the third world can get a free lifestyle within 2 weeks. https://x.com/DaylVin/status/1899658881061757225
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Re: Immigration
Reply #1821 - Yesterday at 11:46pm

Baronvonrort wrote Yesterday at 9:52pm:

Refugees get priority with government housing.

No homeless refugees yet plenty of homeless Autsralians

This refugee says 2 weeks while Aussies wait for years.
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All so the third world can get a free lifestyle within 2 weeks.

https://x.com/DaylVin/status/1899658881061757225

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